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IDProjectCategoryView StatusDate SubmittedLast Update
0000307Dwarf FortressCreaturespublic2010-04-03 14:232015-08-04 20:32
ReporterZelitor 
Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusnewResolutionopen 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0000307: No announcements for blistering/charring, and other fire-related problems
DescriptionIn adventure mode and in the arena I noticed that I never got any warnings at all about heat like I did in the older versions. There was no blistering or charring, just a sudden message telling me that I am melting, followed shortly by me bleeding to death.
Steps To ReproduceGo to adventure mode, and light a tree on fire. then stand next to it for a while.
Additional InformationI'm pretty sure this applies to more then just dwarves but I haven't tested other races yet.
Tagsbleeding, Boiling Point, fat, Fixed in 0.34.01?, heat, melting
Attached Files

- Relationships
related to 0000033resolvedToady One Bronze colossus, skeletal creatures, fleshballs, and others are impossible to kill 
related to 0006217new Fixed-temperature contaminants do not heat up body parts? 
parent of 0000264new Magma man destroys blizzard man's fat without causing other damage 
parent of 0001021new Forgotten beast composed of snow -- immune to magma. 
parent of 0002958new burn injuries do the opposite of what they should 
parent of 0000397confirmedlethosor Creatures fall too fast through magma, die of bleeding instead of melting/suffocating, scout out/reveal areas while dying 
parent of 0004066new Melting Heads 
parent of 0004145new Magma-fall (magma waterfall) doesn't injure dwarves 
related to 0001134new Fires don't spread to trees/shrubs and don't do enough damage 
related to 0002405new With temperature off, magma burns items, but not creatures 
related to 0001093confirmedFootkerchief Mudmen are equally happy in magma as Magmamen are. (might be a feature?) 
related to 0000263new No announcement when fat melts away 
related to 0003744new Suitably small large creatures are not damaged by magma 
related to 0000518new Bloodless creatures dropped in magma report their body parts are bleeding " " 
related to 0003498new Some hardcoded materials are unrealistically immune to heat/cold 
related to 0001825new Zombies are "burning alive" 
related to 0004573resolvedToady One [MAGMA_BUILD_SAFE] reaction token does not work properly 
related to 0005245confirmedFootkerchief The smaller the creature, the more easily it bleeds to death from dismemberment, burns, etc. 
related to 0005511resolvedToady One Undead/zombies/reanimated survive magma and fire indefinitely 
related to 0006396new Adventurer suicides in volcano, Legends reports he died of a blowgun dart. 
related to 0000936new Non-homeotherm creatures melt when placed on floor above magma 
related to 0004731new Dwarf kills Fire Imp with short sword -> Hot sword melts fat and never cools down! 
related to 0006973new People do not react when you light fires underneath them. 
related to 0007801new Heat transfer behaves weirdly 
Not all the children of this issue are yet resolved or closed.

-  Notes
(0000685)
Zelitor (reporter)
2010-04-03 15:24

 Looking over the raws, I believe this is because the fat has such a low melting point, compared to the rest of the bodies ignite point.

And I do remember seeing "dwarf grease" on the ground at some point when a dwarf came too close to some magma before running away bleeding all over. And grease seems to be what liquid fat is called in the material_template_default.txt file.
(0000827)
faldi (reporter)
2010-04-04 01:58

 possibly related to 0000190
(0000828)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-04 02:06

 0000289 too
(0009765)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-07-07 20:17

 I don't see how my bug report involving mudmen is related to this one, other than possibly a temperature related thing.

I think my bug report has more to do with material that its made of.
(0011364)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-08-01 12:43

 yea, the melting point for fatty tissue is LOWER then the point for it burning or charring.
(0014332)
ethanb (reporter)
2010-11-30 23:24

 Changing those numbers around brings back combat messages I'd thought were lost!

If you lower the ignite point and the heatdam point for skin, fat and muscle to more reasonable levels, as well as raising the melting point for fat, then go fight a fire man or magma man (or a spirit of fire ported forward from 40d), you get exciting messages like "You are blistering! You are burning! You are on fire! You are incinerating!"

I'm wary that doing so may have undone the workaround for the melting rain bug though - the heatdam for living tissue might have been raised as a workaround. But I hope not! Have to embark in a scorching rainforest when I get the chance to test.
(0021948)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-03-31 09:09

 Tested by dropping magma in a gigantic panda in arena mode. I controlled it and got messages "You are in fire!You are melting!You are blistering" and in my description got body parts melted and burned. Nothing was modded.
Got the same for a human.
Got a human fighting a magma man, just got messages "You are melting".
34.07.
(0023203)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-07-09 14:29
edited on: 2012-07-09 14:33

 To further clarify, the problem seems to be that nearly all of the various "solid" creature materials (including skin, fat, muscle, sinew, and all internal organs) have a COLDDAM_POINT of 9900 (-68°F) and a HEATDAM_POINT of 10250 (282°F).

Realistically, the COLDDAM_POINT of most tissues (especially skin) should probably be closer to 9990 (22°F - really, anything below 32° is dangerous for prolonged periods of time), and a HEATDAM_POINT of 10110 (142°F) would be much more realistic (enough that steam would cause significant damage, just like in real life).

- Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
2010-04-03 14:23 Zelitor New Issue
2010-04-03 15:24 Zelitor Note Added: 0000685
2010-04-04 01:58 faldi Note Added: 0000827
2010-04-04 02:06 DoctorZuber Note Added: 0000828
2010-04-06 14:20 Zelitor Tag Attached: bleeding
2010-04-06 14:20 Zelitor Tag Attached: Boiling Point
2010-04-06 14:20 Zelitor Tag Attached: fat
2010-04-06 14:20 Zelitor Tag Attached: heat
2010-04-06 14:21 Zelitor Tag Attached: melting
2010-06-22 18:22 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000337
2010-06-22 18:22 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0000337
2010-07-07 15:44 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0002585
2010-07-07 15:44 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0002585
2010-07-07 15:46 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0001134
2010-07-07 15:46 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0002405
2010-07-07 15:46 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0001567
2010-07-07 15:47 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0001825
2010-07-07 17:49 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000264
2010-07-07 17:49 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0001093
2010-07-07 17:49 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000033
2010-07-07 20:17 smjjames Note Added: 0009765
2010-07-25 14:44 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0001021
2010-07-25 14:44 Footkerchief Sticky Issue No => Yes
2010-07-25 17:49 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000263
2010-08-01 12:43 toybasher Note Added: 0011364
2010-08-05 22:44 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0002958
2010-08-25 08:52 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000397
2010-11-28 08:48 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0003744
2010-11-30 12:54 Footkerchief Summary Dwarves do not blister in heat. Just suddenly melt without warning. => No announcements for blistering/charring, and other fire-related problems
2010-11-30 23:24 ethanb Note Added: 0014332
2010-11-30 23:24 ethanb Issue Monitored: ethanb
2011-02-21 13:14 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0001567
2011-02-21 13:39 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0003866
2011-02-21 13:40 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0004041
2011-02-21 13:41 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0001134
2011-02-21 13:43 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0004041
2011-02-21 13:43 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0003866
2011-02-21 13:43 Footkerchief Relationship deleted related to 0001567
2011-02-24 08:59 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0000905
2011-02-24 09:01 Footkerchief Relationship deleted parent of 0000905
2011-02-24 09:02 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0004066
2011-03-06 11:32 Footkerchief Relationship added parent of 0004145
2011-04-03 20:18 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000518
2012-01-10 05:38 Footkerchief Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.26?
2012-01-22 07:59 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0003498
2012-01-22 08:00 Footkerchief Relationship deleted related to 0001825
2012-01-22 08:00 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0001825
2012-01-22 08:01 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0004573
2012-02-14 05:12 Footkerchief Tag Renamed Fixed in 0.31.26? => Fixed in 0.34.01?
2012-02-17 20:32 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0005245
2012-03-31 09:09 thvaz Note Added: 0021948
2012-05-15 08:57 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0005511
2012-07-09 14:29 Quietust Note Added: 0023203
2012-07-09 14:33 Quietust Note Edited: 0023203 View Revisions
2013-12-26 12:50 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0006396
2014-01-27 14:14 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0000936
2014-02-12 23:30 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0006217
2014-02-13 07:58 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0004731
2014-07-10 14:10 Footkerchief Relationship added related to 0006973
2014-08-02 15:03 Footkerchief Relationship added child of 0007801
2014-08-02 17:07 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0007801
2014-08-26 16:49 Footkerchief Relationship replaced related to 0001093
2015-08-04 20:32 danhalcyon Issue Monitored: danhalcyon

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