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0001236Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Itemspublic2010-04-16 08:352014-08-13 05:10
ReporterJumpp 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusresolvedResolutionduplicate 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001236: buckets contain lye and water, can't be used for anything
DescriptionI've got a bunch of buckets with water and lye in them. I've tried dumping the buckets, dumping the water, and dumping the lye. None of these things gets either the water or the lye out of the buckets.

The buckets don't get used to feed water to patients, and they don't get used to pour lye into barrels.
Steps To Reproduce
Additional Information
Tagsbuckets, lye, water
Relationships
duplicate of 0001324resolved Toady One buckets full of water were used to produce lye 
related to 0001570resolved Footkerchief Buckets quantum stockpile in hostpital from repeat suturing - become unusable 
related to 0004371new  bag found with 3 dwarven sugar and 1 dimple dye in it 
Attached Files
Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-16 08:35JumppNew Issue
2010-04-16 08:44FootkerchiefNote Added: 0003849
2010-04-16 08:48FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-16 09:01KennelTag Attached: buckets
2010-04-16 09:01KennelTag Attached: water
2010-04-16 09:01KennelTag Attached: lye
2010-04-16 09:05JumppNote Added: 0003855
2010-04-16 09:05JumppNote Edited: 0003855bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0003855#r1290
2010-04-16 09:11FootkerchiefNote Added: 0003858
2010-04-16 09:19JumppNote Added: 0003860
2010-04-16 09:22JumppNote Edited: 0003860bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0003860#r1292
2010-04-16 09:52FootkerchiefNote Added: 0003863
2010-04-16 12:12JumppNote Added: 0003883
2010-04-16 12:29FootkerchiefNote Added: 0003884
2010-04-16 12:46JumppNote Added: 0003886
2010-04-16 12:50JumppNote Added: 0003887
2010-04-16 12:51JumppNote Edited: 0003887bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0003887#r1298
2010-04-16 22:29JumppNote Added: 0003942
2010-04-22 15:33FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0001324
2010-08-02 14:10aleanderIssue Monitored: aleander
2010-08-09 19:56Lord_DakstarNote Added: 0011682
2010-09-01 23:21BeeskeeIssue Monitored: Beeskee
2010-09-02 04:20kwielandNote Added: 0012333
2010-09-03 01:38ShimrodNote Added: 0012371
2010-09-20 19:43troasNote Added: 0012851
2010-09-20 20:55QuietustNote Added: 0012853
2010-09-21 14:52QuietustNote Edited: 0012853bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0012853#r4996
2010-09-21 14:52QuietustNote Edited: 0012853bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0012853#r4997
2010-11-26 15:21CoaldiamondTag Attached: injured foot
2010-11-26 17:21FootkerchiefTag Detached: injured foot
2011-03-12 08:05DwarfuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003066
2011-03-12 08:05DwarfuIssue Monitored: reddit
2011-03-17 07:47FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0001570
2011-03-22 21:08RossMNote Added: 0016487
2011-03-22 21:08RossMIssue Monitored: RossM
2011-03-22 22:24Hieronymous AlloyIssue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2011-03-23 09:00hyndisNote Added: 0016494
2011-03-23 09:22Malibu StaceyNote Added: 0016495
2011-03-23 15:16RossMNote Added: 0016502
2011-03-23 15:18RossMNote Edited: 0016502bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0016502#r6150
2011-03-28 02:31FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0004371
2011-04-02 20:01troasNote Added: 0016994
2011-04-02 20:02troasNote Edited: 0016994bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0016994#r6319
2011-04-08 00:57kwielandNote Added: 0017191
2011-04-08 03:10SocietalEclipseNote Added: 0017192
2011-04-09 09:51kwielandNote Added: 0017239
2011-05-29 12:44CespinarveNote Added: 0017896
2011-06-05 09:23KonIssue Monitored: Kon
2011-07-12 11:25BeeskeeNote Added: 0018211
2011-07-22 17:06VheridIssue Monitored: Vherid
2011-08-07 08:47slitherrrNote Added: 0018447
2011-09-03 08:28salajanderIssue Monitored: salajander
2011-10-22 12:38KogutIssue Monitored: Kogut
2012-02-26 11:47BuglistIssue Monitored: Buglist
2012-03-23 07:49BuglistNote Added: 0021676
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefRelationship replacedduplicate of 0001324
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefNote Added: 0021677
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefStatusnew => resolved
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefResolutionopen => duplicate
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2012-03-23 08:30FootkerchiefRelationship deletedhas duplicate 0003066
2012-03-24 08:29KogutIssue End Monitor: Kogut
2012-03-28 07:59BuglistIssue End Monitor: Buglist
2014-07-29 15:30VheridIssue End Monitor: Vherid
2014-08-13 05:10KonIssue End Monitor: Kon

Notes
(0003849)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-16 08:44   
Do you have barrels available for the lye?

The water buckets might be due to 0000971. Do you have defunct "Fill Pond" jobs queued up on the jobs screen?
(0003855)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 09:05   
I have a furniture stockpile elsewhere in the fort, maybe 50 tiles away from the ashery, with about half a dozen empty barrels.

I have designated no ponds or pits of any kind in this fort.
(0003858)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-16 09:11   
Do you have a stockpile that would accept barrels full of lye?
(0003860)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 09:19   
(edited on: 2010-04-16 09:22)
Yes. It's right near the ashery, and it's got some barrels with lye. Newly produced lye goes into barrels there, and gets used to make soap.

It's possible, however, that at the time these lye-and-water buckets were filled, there were no empty barrels in the fort. I often run out, since I frequently tell the brewer to keep brewing until he runs out of materials, and he always runs out of barrels before he runs out of plants.
(0003863)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-16 09:52   
Huh. Okay, as long as there aren't any burrow restrictions that would keep them from emptying the lye buckets, you should probably upload the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
(0003883)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 12:12   
I don't imagine there are any burrow restrictions in play. I've only got two defined at the moment, no dwarves are assigned to either, and my fort is on an alert where no burrows are activated.

Can you tell me how to package a save for upload? I'm not sure which files are the important ones.
(0003884)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-16 12:29   
In DF's /data/save directory, there should be one or more folders with names like "region1". Each of these represents a world and the current saved game in it. Zip that folder up (instructions here http://condor.depaul.edu/~slytinen/instructions/zip.html [^]) and upload the zip file.
(0003886)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 12:46   
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2124 [^]
(0003887)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 12:50   
(edited on: 2010-04-16 12:51)
For what it's worth, that save exhibits a number of other bugs as well. It's got two mayors. The hospital contains numerous examples of dwarves who consume endless procedures with no benefit, and there's a baby wandering around alone that's going to die of thirst in a minute or two.

Also, if I play normally, it crashes in a few minutes. I'm not sure which of my actions is causing the crash. I'm trying to isolate that now.
(0003942)
Jumpp   
2010-04-16 22:29   
Have isolated the crash, and reported it as http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1264 [^]
(0011682)
Lord_Dakstar   
2010-08-09 19:56   
I've just come across the bucket with mix of water and lye in them under 0.31.12. I discovered it while trying to get a bucket or two full of water for my bone doctor who wants to make a cast. The bug where lye and water are being mixed in a bucket are still occuring as of 31.12. I'll try checking up on them, and see if they get used to fill a small outdoor pond (that I only designated filled to get water for the cast making), or used to water patients.
(0012333)
kwieland   
2010-09-02 04:20   
I have noticed that buckets with water in them do not get stockpiled in a normal furniture stockpile (where the other buckets are) or in a food stockpile (where the booze is). Has anyone found a way to have them stored somewhere? I've got 4-6 just cluttering things.
(0012371)
Shimrod   
2010-09-03 01:38   
Hyndis gives a workaround here:

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3066 [^]

You'll lose the contents though.
(0012851)
troas   
2010-09-20 19:43   
Another possible workaround for cool climates - dump the buckets outside, wait for the freeze. Unforbid the bucket and Dump the ice from the buckets. Wait for the spring thaw.
(0012853)
Quietust   
2010-09-20 20:55   
(edited on: 2010-09-21 14:52)
troas: technically, that will work, though it'll cause both the water and the lye to freeze (since they both have a melting point of 10000 and a specific heat of 4181), but that should be okay since you can just dump out the ice and then bring the buckets back inside to melt the lye.
(0016487)
RossM   
2011-03-22 21:08   
Still broken in 31.21.
(0016494)
hyndis   
2011-03-23 09:00   
If the bucket is made of iron you can drop it into magma, then drain away the magma. It will boil away the contents of the bucket and you can then reuse the bucket once the magma evaporates away.

Alternatively, have 1 pond zone going at all times. Dwarves will pick up buckets, fill them from the well, and then empty the buckets into the pond zone. This will eliminate the partially filled buckets randomly scattered about the fortress. The emptied buckets will be stored in the furniture stockpile. Filled buckets seem to not go into any stockpile.
(0016495)
Malibu Stacey   
2011-03-23 09:22   
Pond zone seems a good workaround. I tend to have a furniture stockpile which only accepts buckets near my well so forbidding them should get the dwarves to use the non-empty ones to fill the pond zone which should then become empty.
(0016502)
RossM   
2011-03-23 15:16   
(edited on: 2011-03-23 15:18)
Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye.
(0016994)
troas   
2011-04-02 20:01   
(edited on: 2011-04-02 20:02)
still broken in 31.25 - buckets used for create lye should be emptied when they are selected for use (related to 0001324).
(0017191)
kwieland   
2011-04-08 00:57   
No luck just requesting the buckets hauled to the depot. Like RossM said, maybe you have to forbid the water first.
(0017192)
SocietalEclipse   
2011-04-08 03:10   
"Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye."

This doesn't work for me. Forbidding the water and hauling the buckets to the Trade Depot results in both A) buckets still with Lye and {Stagnant Water} and B) buckets that were emptied of all contents.
(0017239)
kwieland   
2011-04-09 09:51   
I noticed the same thing, SocietalEclipse. I ordered some Gnomeblight barrels brought to the depot and the barrels ended up at the depot, but empty! I didn't search for this bug, but it should be around.
(0017896)
Cespinarve   
2011-05-29 12:44   
This issue persists, and it also includes buckets that contain "water laced with salt", as well as stagnant.
(0018211)
Beeskee   
2011-07-12 11:25   
Still happening for me too, example save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4648 [^]
(0018447)
slitherrr   
2011-08-07 08:47   
In real life, water mixed with lye becomes slightly saline water (depending on just how much lye) after a small amount of time. Just a random factoid injection.
(0021676)
Buglist   
2012-03-23 07:49   
root cause (0001324) was fixed, so this bug is probably also fixed
(0021677)
Footkerchief   
2012-03-23 08:30   
Sounds legit.