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0001253Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Buildings, Generalpublic2010-04-16 16:352011-04-01 01:05
Reporterskeggox 
Assigned ToDwarfu 
PrioritynormalSeveritymajorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusresolvedResolutionno change required 
PlatformIntel Core 2 6300OSWindowsOS VersionXP
Product Version0.31.03 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001253: Not all stone mined is available for construction and workshop usage
DescriptionI embarked on a 3x3 arctic map, then dug deep for the cavern layers. Most of the stone I mined did not appear available for use in construction, and stone jobs were being cancelled due to lack of non-economic stone, despite an abundance of stone being available

Usable stone:
Chert
Obsidian
Dacite
Diorite

Non-economic but ignored stone:
cobaltite
orthoclase
cinnabar
jet
brimstone
bauxite
kaolinite
microcline
mica
alunite
saltpetre
hornblende

Ice was still available for construction, but not for workshops (which is intended behaviour, I guess?)

Originally troubling for not being able to make magma-proof mechanisms from bauxite, but I discovered you can make metal mechanisms now, so not so much anymore.

Steps To Reproduce1) Embark on 3x3 arctic map
2) Dig up different stone types
3) Check available construction materials when building mason's workshop
4) Forbid all stones but a specific type from the second list
5) Request construction of a door
6) Unforbid a stone type from first list
7) Request construction of another door
Additional InformationI have a save available.
Tagsmaterial, modding, rock, Save Included, workshop
Relationships
parent of 0001412closed Logical2u Marble not working as flux stone 
parent of 0004794resolved Dwarfu Smelter wont' accept marble as a flux stone 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-16 16:35skeggoxNew Issue
2010-04-16 16:37skeggoxNote Added: 0003916
2010-04-16 16:46smjjamesNote Added: 0003917
2010-04-16 17:12FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-16 21:43skeggoxNote Added: 0003938
2010-04-16 22:03FootkerchiefNote Added: 0003939
2010-04-16 22:56skeggoxNote Added: 0003944
2010-04-20 09:21skeggoxNote Added: 0004335
2010-04-21 20:16SkieNote Added: 0004534
2010-04-21 20:33KennelTag Attached: material
2010-04-21 20:33KennelTag Attached: rock
2010-04-21 20:33KennelTag Attached: workshop
2010-04-26 17:55FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0001412
2010-04-27 22:39crossmrNote Added: 0005476
2010-04-27 22:39crossmrIssue Monitored: crossmr
2010-04-27 22:44crossmrNote Edited: 0005476bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0005476#r1983
2010-04-27 23:01crossmrNote Deleted: 0005476
2010-04-30 06:12crossmrIssue End Monitor: crossmr
2010-05-20 13:43skeggoxNote Added: 0007087
2010-05-20 13:45skeggoxTag Attached: modding
2010-05-20 13:46skeggoxNote Added: 0007088
2010-05-20 14:16FootkerchiefNote Added: 0007090
2010-05-20 15:25skeggoxNote Added: 0007096
2011-04-01 01:05DwarfuNote Added: 0016919
2011-04-01 01:05DwarfuStatusnew => resolved
2011-04-01 01:05DwarfuResolutionopen => no change required
2011-04-01 01:05DwarfuAssigned To => Dwarfu
2011-04-01 01:05DwarfuTag Attached: Save Included
2011-07-31 18:50DwarfuRelationship addedparent of 0004794

Notes
(0003916)
skeggox   
2010-04-16 16:37   
I used custom world gen settings for more volcanism, based on Small Region.
(0003917)
smjjames   
2010-04-16 16:46   
Did you check your economic stone settings? Just asking.
(0003938)
skeggox   
2010-04-16 21:43   
First thing I checked. I could find none of the ignored stone types in the economic stone settings.

I also quickly checked the raws to look for inconsistencies - kaolinite vs chert. All of the major tags were the same (like IS_STONE) and they used the same material template. The only differences were tags that modified the material template defaults (like boiling point etc). When I have time I'll dive a bit deeper (I need to figure out the raw system first).
(0003939)
Footkerchief   
2010-04-16 22:03   
A save might be needed for this one. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
(0003944)
skeggox   
2010-04-16 22:56   
Save uploaded: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2130 [^]
(0004335)
skeggox   
2010-04-20 09:21   
I'm noting this bug in other custom gen worlds, as well as non-arctic embarks.

The latest one is in a world where only the min number of volcanoes have been raised, so it is either related to increased volcanism or not to worldgen customization at all.
(0004534)
Skie   
2010-04-21 20:16   
I had this happen to me just now too. I embarked on an area which only had igneous extrusive layers and four z-levels of loam and clay.
I have alunite, copper nuggets, hematite, brimstone, stibnite, microcline and obsidian. I can only build stuff out of obsidian when I have not touched the economic stones settings, even though I should be able to use at least microcline and alunite.
I have some mods installed, though, but none of them fiddle with the stone types in a way that should make them not-usable.
(0007087)
skeggox   
2010-05-20 13:43   
I think I may have a lead into this issue.

I embarked in a vanilla 31.04 into a custom gen world, and found I could construct walls out of microcline. Yay!

Then I brought over the community balance mod raw changes from 31.03 to 31.04, regenerated the same world using the saved world_gen parameters and seeds, then embarked on the exact same spot.

Tellingly, I could no longer construct using microcline. Reverting the raws back, re-generating and re-embarking allowed construction with microcline again.

My hypothesis is that the mod's changes to the stone material template is making most stone unsuitable for construction, except for a few that overrides the template with appropriate values?

Another thing I noticed - after the mod the same seed+settings generated a world with the same regions, but the biomes were subtly different. The embark spot I chose had different stone layers (I now had marble flux, for example). Another biome in the embark spot switched from serene to haunted. Also, I think the shape of the volcano was different. Might not be related to the issue, but interesting all the same.
(0007088)
skeggox   
2010-05-20 13:46   
P.S. I want to modify the reproducability and reproduce steps fields, how can I do that?
(0007090)
Footkerchief   
2010-05-20 14:16   
P.S. I want to modify the reproducability and reproduce steps fields, how can I do that?

Reporters can't edit reports, even their own (though it's possible that it's an option Toady can enable). Just let us know what you want it changed to.

Another thing I noticed - after the mod the same seed+settings generated a world with the same regions, but the biomes were subtly different. The embark spot I chose had different stone layers (I now had marble flux, for example). Another biome in the embark spot switched from serene to haunted. Also, I think the shape of the volcano was different. Might not be related to the issue, but interesting all the same.

Yeah, I believe it's expected behavior for worldgen to change when the raws change (even if the changes are seemingly inconsequential).
(0007096)
skeggox   
2010-05-20 15:25   
I am just curious how changes in stone properties (density, melting point, etc.) affects worldgen behavior. Something else to experiment with!

The fact that material properties are used to determine suitability for construction is either a bug or a feature. If a feature, it would be nice to know what the criteria is for construction, crafting, etc. (if they are different).

I'll try and experiment when I get some time, and post my findings here?

P.S. I want to change reproducibility to 100%, and add applying the mod to the reproduce steps. Do I need to upload the raws I used?
(0016919)
Dwarfu   
2011-04-01 01:05   
This is all about the mod. As it is, only layer stones can be used. If you replace the material_template_default.txt file with the original from 31.03, you can build walls with the mineral type stones again (after activating them on the Stone Restrictions screen).

Since this doesn't reproduce in vanilla, I'm going to resolve it.