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0002448Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Jobs, Healthcarepublic2010-06-23 08:472016-01-19 08:48
Reportergreycat 
Assigned To 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityrandom
StatusnewResolutionopen 
PlatformLinuxOSLinuxOS VersionDebian 5.0
Product Version0.31.08 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0002448: Dwarves Give Water to non-wounded
DescriptionOccasionally I see a dwarf performing the Give Water task when there are no thirsty wounded dwarves. After following the dwarf for a while, I see him bring a bucket of water to another dwarf who's already drinking booze. The booze-drinker gets a happy thought for it ("received water recently") and continues drinking the booze.
Steps To Reproduce
Additional InformationI don't know whether this happens all the time, or only when there's a patient in the hospital. Currently, there is a patient in my hospital, who has recently received water.

Probably a result of the fix for 0001224. In any case, I'd rather have overzealous water fetching than dehydration. And, hey, free happy thoughts.
TagsNo tags attached.
Relationships
related to 0006356new  Miners mine to exclusion of drinking 
has duplicate 0003020resolved Dwarfu Dwarves giving water to random floor tiles? 
has duplicate 0003634resolved Footkerchief Dwarves Give Water to Sleeping Companions 
related to 0000094confirmed Toady One Injured dwarves not recovered, ignored by doctors, and/or don't get food/water 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-06-23 08:47greycatNew Issue
2010-06-23 09:03FootkerchiefNote Added: 0009009
2010-06-23 09:42ChickenLipsNote Added: 0009011
2010-06-23 11:17kwielandNote Added: 0009015
2010-06-23 11:17kwielandNote Edited: 0009015bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0009015#r3450
2010-06-24 09:13hyndisNote Added: 0009050
2010-06-24 10:03slinkNote Added: 0009054
2010-06-24 17:51slinkNote Edited: 0009054bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0009054#r3471
2010-06-25 17:57slinkNote Added: 0009104
2010-06-26 00:27ChickenLipsNote Added: 0009115
2010-06-26 01:05ChickenLipsNote Edited: 0009115bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0009115#r3492
2010-06-28 06:28slinkNote Added: 0009210
2010-06-29 11:43greycatNote Added: 0009313
2010-06-29 14:02toybasherNote Added: 0009320
2010-07-18 11:23kwielandNote Edited: 0009015bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0009015#r4106
2010-07-20 16:00slinkNote Added: 0010752
2010-07-21 10:14slinkNote Edited: 0010752bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0010752#r4180
2010-07-30 07:02Hieronymous AlloyIssue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-07-30 10:10kwielandNote Added: 0011292
2010-08-07 03:38AmetsalaIssue Monitored: Ametsala
2010-08-07 07:00cephaloNote Added: 0011587
2010-08-07 07:00cephaloNote Edited: 0011587bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0011587#r4527
2010-08-07 07:24wRARIssue Monitored: wRAR
2010-08-07 14:51king doomNote Added: 0011610
2010-08-11 12:25uggiNote Added: 0011719
2010-08-12 15:56jerobeNote Added: 0011753
2010-09-24 16:04KhazadAimenuNote Added: 0012960
2010-10-08 07:07Malibu StaceyNote Added: 0013259
2010-10-11 14:32DwarfuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003020
2010-11-15 17:05FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003634
2011-01-14 23:57ChthonNote Added: 0014870
2011-01-14 23:58ChthonNote Edited: 0014870bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0014870#r5639
2011-01-15 22:29ChthonIssue Monitored: Chthon
2011-03-04 22:29LangdonNote Added: 0015741
2011-03-04 23:10FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000094
2011-03-05 05:52Granite26Note Added: 0015749
2011-04-04 03:56GreenSpinachNote Added: 0017045
2011-04-04 05:49kwielandNote Added: 0017048
2011-05-02 11:21SquirrelloidNote Added: 0017600
2011-05-03 05:42kwielandNote Added: 0017606
2012-03-07 13:57MoogieNote Added: 0021230
2012-03-07 13:57MoogieNote Edited: 0021230bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0021230#r7906
2012-03-08 08:26MoogieNote Edited: 0021230bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0021230#r7915
2013-09-22 18:01FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0006356
2015-08-08 14:30emeralis00Note Added: 0032961
2016-01-03 17:11MichaelBNote Added: 0034305
2016-01-05 07:31BouchartNote Added: 0034326
2016-01-19 08:48ButtonNote Added: 0034470
2016-01-19 08:48ButtonNote Edited: 0034470bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0034470#r13902
2021-03-13 14:54ZiusudraIssue Monitored: Ziusudra

Notes
(0009009)
Footkerchief   
2010-06-23 09:03   
It would be helpful to upload a save while the "Give Water" job is in progress. You can upload to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
(0009011)
ChickenLips   
2010-06-23 09:42   
I saw this too. Will upload a save if I see it again.
(0009015)
kwieland   
2010-06-23 11:17   
(edited on: 2010-07-18 11:23)
I noticed this as well when I got a "McUrist cancels give water, no bucket". "What? Who's injured?," I'm thinking. No reports. Hmmm. Maybe a dwarf fell/etc and it wasn't in the reports. Nope, couldn't find anybody hurt. This explains why. I think in my case it was for the manager who was working on his jobs. It took me 2 game years to see this bug with 22 dwarfs. I'll try to get a save. I have a save, let me know if you want it. I realize that there are two others.

It happened twice in the same game. The first time I checked all the dwarfs, and one was "thirsty", but none were injured. The second time, there was a dwarf thirsty that was asleep, again no one was injured.
(0009050)
hyndis   
2010-06-24 09:13   
I've seen this as well.

One of my miners went for a nap after digging out a new room. He was also thirsty, but I guess sleep won out. While he was snoozing on his bed I noticed one of my other dwarves bring a bucket of water to him.

He finished his nap before the water could be brought to him, and then began chugging a barrel of dwarven wine, as any proper dwarf should.

Looks like dwarves now error on the side of caution, which is nice. Wounded and prisoners shouldn't die of thirst anymore.
(0009054)
slink   
2010-06-24 10:03   
(edited on: 2010-06-24 17:51)
Here is a save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2576 [^]
(0009104)
slink   
2010-06-25 17:57   
Buckets with varying amounts of stagnant water in them are being scattered around my fortress. Is there any way to recover them? I searched the bug reports and the answer seems to be "no", but I thought I would ask here anyway.
(0009115)
ChickenLips   
2010-06-26 00:27   
(edited on: 2010-06-26 01:05)
Again, I noticed that too. Some of them are being scattered around with both lye and water in them.

EDIT: (And, for the record, I actually kinda like the gratuitous water thing as well -- makes for a nice additional seemingly-spontaneous dynamic. As long as it doesn't mean buckets being left all over the place with stagnant water and/or lye.)
(0009210)
slink   
2010-06-28 06:28   
It appears that the stagnant water in the buckets slowly evaporates on some seasonal or annual schedule. I watched one bucket which was in a seldom-used location. I was very busy otherwise so I did not get the exact timeframe, but I did note that the level was decreasing. Eventually the bucket vanished, presumably back into the bucket stockpile. Other buckets likewise eventually vanished but I did not observe their contents decreasing because they were in crowded and busy locations.

An alternative explanation is that Dwarves occasionally stop and drink from buckets of stagnant water (yuck!). There was no pressing reason for this to have happened in my fortress, but who knows ...
(0009313)
greycat   
2010-06-29 11:43   
Another save, just in case: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2599 [^]
(0009320)
toybasher   
2010-06-29 14:02   
I can confirm this as well, I have dwarves sleeping in m hospital non wounded (too lazy to give them rooms, In fact I wonder why you need to assign nobles dining rooms.) and I was getting "Urist Mcwaterdrinker cancels give water: No water source" (I was out of booze and my well kept freezing over)
(0010752)
slink   
2010-07-20 16:00   
(edited on: 2010-07-21 10:14)
I have found that milkers will recover buckets containing some stagnant water. The water apparently ends up on the floor around the milking station as "smears of water". The buckets of milk do not contain water, and neither do the barrels of milk.

This is in contrast with the lyemakers, who put their lye into buckets also containing stagnant water and then everyone refuses to touch those buckets for any purpose.

I have, however, managed to sell some watery buckets to caravans. At least that gets them out of the fortress.

Milkers are also taking buckets out of the hospital for their own use, even when there are buckets in a very close nearby stockpile AND when the hospital is defined as a Restricted Traffic area. Frankly, Restricted Traffic designation doesn't seem to stop anyone from doing whatever they like in the hospital, but that's a different issue. :P
(0011292)
kwieland   
2010-07-30 10:10   
@slink: Restricted area is only for traffic flow. For instance, you can restrict all the saplings outside and your dwarfs will not walk on them. However, if a item (say a stray bolt) is on top of a sapling, they will stand on a restricted square to get it.
(0011587)
cephalo   
2010-08-07 07:00   
I often have a collection of buckets scattered on the floor where my soldiers are stationed. As if someone was giving them water.
(0011610)
king doom   
2010-08-07 14:51   
I can't add much to this, other than to confirm that dwarves do try to give water to non injured members of your fort (Six year game, no invaders, no agressive wild animals present, so no injuries at all.)
(0011719)
uggi   
2010-08-11 12:25   
I just observed the mayor bringing water to the broker who was sleeping in a bed and happened to be thirsty too. The broker was not injured. I think the mayor was the closest idling dwarf when the broker got thirsty while in her sleep. Also, there was a bucket laying in the ground near the mayor.
(0011753)
jerobe   
2010-08-12 15:56   
I've also observed this happening when thirsty dwarves go to sleep.
(0012960)
KhazadAimenu   
2010-09-24 16:04   
I've got this happening in my fort as well - got random "give water" jobs from the beginning of the fort, but could never track them down until now. My manager is currently chasing one of my novice metalcrafters all over the fort, trying to give him water. Metalcrafter isn't injured, nor is he thirsty, nor does he have anything in his status about recently drinking or being thirsty. It's kind of funny, but also irritating since it's taking my manager off work.
(0013259)
Malibu Stacey   
2010-10-08 07:07   
The outdoor water in my current 0.31.16 fort freezes towards the end of autumn & doesn't unfreeze until mid spring so I see job cancellations of "Give Water: No accessible water source" very often. When it happens I've checked to see if I have any sleeping dwarves which I don't but there are dwarves who have the "drink" job so I suspect greycat's description is correct. Some of my dwarves have stuff like "enjoyed some alcohol" and "was given water recently" in their status pages so it appears that dwarves are forcing other dwarves to drink water periodically.

This doesn't appear to be save game related, I've seen dwarves with the "Give Water" job without any injured dwarves in all my 0.31.xx forts thus far.
(0014870)
Chthon   
2011-01-14 23:57   
(edited on: 2011-01-14 23:58)
Yes, I too have noticed a large number of dwarves (up to 5 at a time) trying to give water to other dwarves happily going about their own business. On the plus side this prevents idle dwarves, but it also takes away from hauling jobs I need done.

DF version 31.18 now
(0015741)
Langdon   
2011-03-04 22:29   
I can confirm this bug is still present in 31.19, just noticed a dwarf give water to a perfectly healthy woodcutter sleeping in his room. I believe this was not present in 31.01, but I can't narrow down the exact version where this bug first appeared.
(0015749)
Granite26   
2011-03-05 05:52   
I've seen this in 3.19.

Do we need a new save, if it comes up again?
(0017045)
GreenSpinach   
2011-04-04 03:56   
This happens ALL the time for me. In every single fortress, I always have either this happen many times, or many cancellations of "Give Water" jobs when there are no injured dwarves, no prisoners, no dehydrated dwarves, and no thirsty dwarves.
I'm playing 31.18.
(0017048)
kwieland   
2011-04-04 05:49   
Persists in .25
(0017600)
Squirrelloid   
2011-05-02 11:21   
ditto, still present in .25. They keep wandering off with my milk buckets.
(0017606)
kwieland   
2011-05-03 05:42   
Seems like a compromise would be to set the threshold at which a dwarf will cancel a job and get a drink by himself slightly below the threshold to generate a "give water" job. I guess the difficulty arrives when you have dwarfs that really want to finish a job, even though the job will take a while yet. I see it most on my manager, which should be able to cancel a job and get a drink at any stage in the process.
(0021230)
Moogie   
2012-03-07 13:57   
(edited on: 2012-03-08 08:26)
Bug still present in 34.05 (just witnessed it). Unfortunately I came here after the fact, or I'd have known to create a save file. I'll keep watch and upload one next time I see a dwarf trying to force-feed someone some water.

Edit: Ok, here's a savegame. Goden Solonnimar is bringing water to a thirsty (but perfectly healthy) dwarf, Stukos Zasustuth. After Goden satisfies Stukos' thirst, Stukos does not cancel her 'drink' action, and will go drink from a nearby stockpile regardless. Savefile: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5815 [^]
(0032961)
emeralis00   
2015-08-08 14:30   
Still present in 40.24. Save was put into an archive, but right now I don't have the bandwidth to upload it.
(0034305)
MichaelB   
2016-01-03 17:11   
Still present in 42.03. I had a number of sleeping thirsty dwarves but no water source resulting in a flood of give water cancellations. Upon providing a water source the cancellations stopped and water was delivered to the sleeping dwarves in buckets.
(0034326)
Bouchart   
2016-01-05 07:31   
Happens in 42.04. Had a couple of poorly armed dwarves fighting wildlife to a stalemate for a long time. They got thirsty and a couple of dwarves stopped by to give them water. Useful in this case, but probably not intended behavior.
(0034470)
Button   
2016-01-19 08:48   
I think this *is* intended behavior. At least, I find it quite useful, and in-character. Many dwarves find helping others rewarding, and they already bring food & drink to dwarves who can't reach their needs due to injury and captivity. Why shouldn't they bring food & drink to those who are away on fort business?