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Dwarfu
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2010-04-05 14:35
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Baron/ess no longer just show up. I believe you have to wait for the next Liason to visit and you will be able to appoint a dwarf as the Baron/ess. |
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Has anyone seen that? The requirements for these nobles are fairly easy to meet, yet I've never seen any such option anywhere... |
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king doom
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2010-04-15 10:57
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I was allowed to make a dwarf a baron once, but the game crashed shortly afterwards, and I've never been offered it again, despite the fact I loaded a save from the season before the liason arrived and made the offer.
Edit: I've just hit the 1 million mark for created wealth, 59 dwarves, just under 90k exported wealth and still no baron. Been playing this fort since df_31_02 was released, and aside from the bit above, no land holding nobles anywhere. I NEED MY DUNGEON MASTER!
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I also have not received any nobles beyond the Mayor and Arsenal Dwarf. I've got 70 dwarves, ~5M created wealth, and ~100K exported wealth. |
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You should let mayor meet with liaison/diplomat when they come.
I had appointment screen appear twice. Once i refused, and next year, when he came again, appointed one of my cripples as baron.
However, even after receiving the baron, i have no option to appoint DM, hammerer and tax collector.
Pop 100 here, 600000 created wealth, 300000 exported wealth. Baron didn't go up to Count/Duke either. |
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Is your Mayor in the military? I have a theory that this can be caused by 0000605 by way of 0000778.
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(0004810)
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derigo
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2010-04-23 18:14
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Also cannot seem to appoint a baron. The liason hasn't mentioned anything about it yet. Sitting at 120ish dwarves with millions of created and exported wealth. |
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Update on my situation: After fruitlessly "meeting" with my military mayor for months, the liaison left unhappy. After that, a non-military mayor was elected, and the next time the liaison visited he met successfully with the new mayor and I was able to appoint a baron. So I would say it's confirmed that at least some instances of this are caused by the liaison endlessly trying to meet with a military mayor who won't perform civilian tasks. |
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d4ftfad: did you have a military mayor, as in the situation that Spiders Everywhere described? |
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Kamber
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2010-04-26 15:47
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I am haveing the same problem here. None of the mayors that have been around when the liason shows up are military but the liaison himself is announced as a Speardwarf. could be a reverse of Spiders Everywhere's problem. |
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Kamber, is your liaison successfully meeting with the mayor? The Speardwarf thing is a bug, but an inconsequential/cosmetic one AFAIK. |
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king doom
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2010-04-26 16:18
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Managed to get a baron this time, but no sign of the dungeon master anywhere. This seems like a bug, especially since every animal barring elephants needs a good ol' DM to tame them. Gotta be careful you don't try and send a regular animal trainer to try and wrangle a groundhog, you don't know what kind of hell those things can unleash.
Different save to my last complaint, still updated to the newest version and hacked a 0 off the end of the required amounts in the raws to get a baron.
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Okay, I've managed to get a baron on a couple of diferent forts, but no other noble appears, ever. There's definately a bug there. |
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Greiger
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2010-06-13 17:35
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I'm also getting this. It's a modded game, but nobles are identical to the dwarf nobles. Multiple forts with over 100 residents, more than enough monetary values for even a duke on all of them. Should even meet the requirements for an adamantine king on most(if he still exists) never showed up.
I also considered the possibility of the old job requirements for barons needing to be met(at least so and so amount of stonework/yr, gemwork/yr, food industry/yr. etc.) No dice there either. I have never gotten a higher noble in DF2010, I'm certainly trying though.
EDIT: Actually, now that I think about it, for most of my fortresses I found the adamantine well before I had 20 residents. Maybe that has something to do with it? Maybe the adamantine king flag interferes with the 'you can get a baron now' flag? I donno, just thinking out loud.
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I thought the adamantine king is nonexistent now since adamantine is to be found everywhere? |
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Yea, not sure he still exists, I don't remember any mention of his removal, or any word that he's still around. I'm mostly just speculating. |
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I doubt he's still there. I found adamantine in a fort with 150+ dwarfes and no king showed up. I got him after building enough roads (5k-7.5k road value, wich seems to trigger the 'become a mountainhome' screen) and giving offerings to the caravan. Besides that I never got any other nobles in several forts in different worlds though I definitly met the criteria evertime (in all cases before I struck adamantine). |
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This seems to be a rather broadly-experienced thing. Forgive me if it's unnecessary or duplicative (I know you admin fellas check the forums and everything), but just in case it helps, a bit of feedback on this problem is in this recent thread:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=61583.0 [^] |
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Dwarfu
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2010-07-19 07:58
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Posting this quote from Toady FYI:
"If there is a lot of confusion, perhaps it is bugged. My understanding and what worked last time I tested was that you need to have a caravan leave when your pop is 20, you've traded 10000*, and you've produced 100000*, and then when the liaison comes the next year, you'll have an option to elevate a dwarf to baron. If that isn't working, there is some problem."
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=60554.msg1413312#msg1413312 [^] |
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Oh, well, since this is already here and everything, I don't have to make a special bug. Six year old reclaim fortress, 160 dwarves (bastards keep having babies), well over a million created wealth, lots of imports and exports etc, roads made of silver and even the old 40d 25 of 4 tasks completed. No Baron yet. In any fort since since .31 came out.
Oh, this is .31.10 for me, started in... .08, probably |
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Cespinarve: are you still getting a liaison? |
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jimi12
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2010-07-19 10:42
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Is having an accessable Trade Depot a requirement? I just realized that despite every caravan trading without a problem and liasons coming, meeting, and leaving fine, that when I pressed "D" it showed my depot was inaccessable. I also met the requirements by 10x. I will make my depot accessable and see what happens. |
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Yes, I'm still getting a liason. Every year faithful as a catsplosion. |
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Footkerchief
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2010-07-20 13:44
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Still getting dwarven caravans, too? Have you exported 10,000 to the dwarves specifically? (I think you can view this in the Civs screen)
If so, then you should probably upload your save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]
It could be a problem with reclaimed fortresses specifically.
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Well, looking at the civ screen, it doesn't give my export figures, just my import. However, I have Offered less than 10000 in goods, I will have to wait until the next caravan to check and see... or I guess two caravans... damn the time delay. |
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I have the same problem here. Over 4 million created wealth, 80k exported wealth and 130 population and I still don't have a baron. Had the same problem for 3 games in a row. |
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Interesting. Says Daetrin:
TOPIC TITLE: I finally got a Baron...
"And I had just happened to save right before. I decided to experiment, and I found that if I talked to the diplomat prior to the caravan leaving, I did not get the option to choose a baron. If I talked with him after it left, I did. The only thing I'd done different than what I normally do is I used stonecrafts as my main export, so I'd exported a lot of items (numberwise, valuewise it's only 15k).
Baron is probably slightly bugged, but the specific before/after caravan behavior might help some people get their Barons. Assuming that's repeatable at all in other games."
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62028.0 [^] |
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slink
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2010-07-21 16:43
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I've talked to my liasion after the caravan has left, plenty of times. In fact, often the liasion is still chasing my Mayors around when the Elves arrive the following Spring. I have never, ever been offered the chance to appoint a Baron. I don't have military Mayors. I don't have much military, period, but certainly my Mayors don't get drafted.
Current Fortress numbers:
Population 109
Created Wealth 2,196,006
Exported Wealth 140,064
Dwarven Civ Imports from my fortress 82,986 |
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I'm not sure where I am save wise, I might have to get through a year before the liason comes back. I'll keep you posted. |
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ALright, well, opening my save, the liason was already on site. He has since departed, with no word about a Baron. I shall wait until he returns next year before I get worried. |
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Well, his majesty the King is here. But, as of yet... no Baron. |
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Correction. The King has arrived MESSAGE showed up. THe King himself hasn't. Or anyone else but a bunch of useless migrants, which is interesting, because my population cap is at 200, and they've pushed it too... 205.
So, Mountainhome with NO NOBLES WHATSOEVER. |
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Footkerchief
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2010-07-25 14:07
(edited on: 2010-07-25 14:08) |
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No, turned out that the King (actually, a Queen) fell over dead the moment they arrived. It just labeled them as a "Bone Doctor", for some one reason. It said there was an entourage, though, but no one else showed up. |
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Can you post all the relevant announcements from your gamelog, please? |
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I went through it, and the only relevant parts were:
Some migrants have arrived.
Minkot Ottanärith, Bone Doctor has died of old age.
There's nothing n the log that references that "King has arrived" pop-up. Also, it was a Queen. |
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Oh, was the entourage thing in the nobles screen? |
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No, there's nothing in the Nobles screen. Just a pop-up message, like when a siege comes. Totally black screen with the writing in white. |
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So, no, this wasn't fixed. Now I'm a Mountainhome with no king, and I'll never get a BAron or anything because the liaison has stopped coming. Fantastic. |
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Well, I had this happen again in my newest .12 fort. However, on the same version and world I previously got one; the key difference is that I settled in a region inaccessible to all civilizations except dwarves. I'm going to see with my next fort whether you need to have "real" access to your civilization (i.e. not isolated from other civs) in order to receive the baron. |
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jeffb
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2010-08-04 11:54
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Miuq
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2010-08-13 01:06
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I also have no baron despite meeting the pre-reqs. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2941 [^] for the file. Also, I should note that this fortress was started in 31.10 then moved to 31.12, which is the current save. I don't know if that matters at all.
I have created 1.2 million and exported over 50,000 total, 37,000 to the dwarven civ. I have spoken with the liaison before and after the caravan leaving and I don't know what else there is to mention... |
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Dwarfu
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2010-08-13 15:13
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Interesting, Miuq.
Does anyone have a save for a fortress generated in 31.12 (not a save upgraded) where you meet the requirements and the liaison isn't giving this option? |
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Yep, same situation again...both forts are pure 31.12 saves on a freshly generated world. This time, full access to the civilization (along with others) and tons of created/exported wealth, high population, adamantine.
I'll upload it when I get the chance. |
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Miuq
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2010-08-17 14:33
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I deliberately waited a good deal longer (well after the caravan left) than usual to conduct my meeting with the liaison and I am pleased to say that he offered me the Barony. Mind you, nothing else was substantially different in the trading process other than I offered some raw adamantine... to be 'symbolic,' I suppose. |
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Okay, going to give that a test. Any rough idea of how long you waited?
If the caravan were physically off the map when you met with him, perhaps the problem lies in a trigger regarding whether or not the caravan makes it away safely in the same year that the land holder trigger for receiving a barony is fulfilled.
I'll report back once the next autumn rolls around. |
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Miuq
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2010-08-17 20:45
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Hmm, it was no more than two months. I waited until the caravan was completely off of the map and then waited probably a month after that before I un-busied my mayor.
Another thing that I wanted to mention is that over the course of my last year I had built roads. I know that is not something that should be involved, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't leaving any vital stuff out, in case it is actually involved. |
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Baron is CONFIRMED! Just got him in my game.
Specifically in my case I waited until the caravan actually departed the map before finally allowing my mayor to meet with the liaison. Upon doing so, the option to promote one of my dwarves to baron was offered immediately. I was constructing some roads at the time but I had already built a tile earlier in the game to test whether this was a requirement.
This means it's almost certainly a requirement that the specific accompanying caravan leave the map successfully prior to meeting with the liaison; I can't test whether or not this is the case as opposed to the caravan having simply "departed", but I know I've had caravans depart before without leaving the map and no such option was provided. It's presumably also a requirement that the land holder trigger is met prior to this caravan departing as well. Or, it may not be, depending on how and when the amount along with the caravan is added to exported wealth.
Unfortunately, I didn't make a copy of the pre/post liaison meeting save prior to going forward with it for further analysis. However, I'm going to see whether this will also happen with the count/duke ladder as well so there should be more opportunities.
It appears this is now testable, so we should be able to reproduce it in any 0.31.12 game we want. If we're lucky, this is the specific issue that'll need to be resolved in order to fix the nobles. |
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If you'd like a current copy of the save I can upload it to the depot, but it's presumably no different from yours at present in terms of the overall conditions.
The key is to reproduce this on another fort, the closer to the actual trigger values the better. Hopefully some other people will notice this, but if not I'll probably just create a forum thread to get others to try it out.
The two vital requirements appear to be:
1. The actual LAND HOLDER requirements in the raws
2. The caravan must leave the map successfully prior to trading with the liaison; this is a more specific interpretation of the requirement that the caravan leave successfully when the population is at least 20, but apparently the trigger relies on it happening prior to the meeting in order to fulfill it and lead to the baron.
Another potential one:
1. Roads. I did have a road outstanding from pretty much year one (a crappy rough rock road near the fort that went nowhere), but I built out some stone block roads during the year as well. I doubt this is a trigger but I'm not sure.
Going forward, the next big goal will be getting additional nobles. If this caravan aspect is the only issue that's affecting them, it should hopefully be no huge problem eliminating this bug for the next release. |
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Miuq
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2010-08-18 01:24
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I've got seasonal autosaves so I am going to conduct the interview with the liasion before trading and before the caravan leaves. Hopefully he won't offer the Barony. More soon. |
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Miuq
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2010-08-18 01:57
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Liasion did not offer Barony when meeting was conducted before the caravan's departure. Take that for what it is. |
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I think that's it. Going to see if anything else happens when autumn rolls around. |
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Okay, this also triggered elevation to the count. The next step will be the duke and king to see if the other nobles will arrive. |
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Miuq
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2010-08-20 13:39
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Good deal. My computer is much too slow; I just hit summer. I will try to corroborate this when Autumn comes. |
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Duke is confirmed. Only one left is the king, and from there seeing if anyone else shows up. I looked at the raws for then but I can't see any reason why there's a problem, except maybe something to do with the way they're appointed. |
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Got the king, but that migrant wave pushed me over the pop limit so I have no idea if anyone else will show up.
An important fact here is that when idle, the baron/whatever shows "Noble" in purple as their job status while the King simply says "No Job" like any other dwarf. He also doesn't flash.
This may be indicative of inconsistencies in the code that are making it impossible for the other nobles to trigger. |
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This bug shouldn't be considered a bug anymore. It works fine, albeit with a difficult to fulfill condition. However, getting the nobles is a whole other animal. |
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Ducky
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2010-08-22 16:32
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It might just be me, but I'd consider the barony never being offered unless the caravan leaves before the liaison meets with anyone being a bug. |
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True, but it's entirely possible to get the baron. Perhaps it should be reclassified as part of a broader investigation of where the other nobles are. |
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For further clarification, you must wait until the caravan has left the map before you allow the meeting with the liaison to even begin - if the "I am your liaison from the Mountainhomes. Let's discuss your situation." message shows up while even a single merchant is on the map, you won't be able to select a baron or upgrade to a count/duke.
I ended up installing a pitchblende lever in my mayor's bedroom so that I could prevent him from meeting with the liaison, but occasionally he would go On Break and hold the meeting anyways. |
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I drafted my mayor into a military squad and put him on duty. Even though he claimed to be performing "Conduct Meeting", he was actually patrolling the route I had defined, with the liaison following him around and around. |
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That certainly beats the lock-in-room method.
I upped my population cap to see if the other nobles might arrive after the king, but no luck so far. |
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Zas
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2010-09-23 18:58
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Did any of you ever get the Dungeon Master? |
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Nidor
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2010-09-24 12:38
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The only time I have had the liaison offer me to appoint a baron happened when a goblin siege showed up at the same time (and place) as the caravan, slaughtering them all except the liaison, who ran ahead. |
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Neshel
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2010-09-30 00:35
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I have 101 dwarves, almost 700 thousand created wealth, 233thousand exported wealth, no baron, no nobles at all. =(
The last dwarven caravan did all go insane during the last siege, but I had more than met the requirements before that too.
I'm using .12 I think... |
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The only thing you need is to make sure the caravan leaves the map before you meet with the liaison. Once it's gone, it'll trigger and you can get the baron/count/duke. |
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Kipi
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2010-11-07 23:24
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I need to test this a bit, but it seems that the check liason does for offering barony only takes account ANY trading caravans visited you that year. I noticed this after I modded dwarves to be active both spring and autumn, and twice I have been offered barony when the liason came with autumn caravan, even though I did not trade enough with either caravan and autumn caravan was still in my trading depot.
So, it could very well be that one caravan must have left your fortress before conducting the meeting, it doesn't matter which season that caravan visited and how much you traded with any caravan that year as long as you have traded enough with any caravan from dwarves. |
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The release notes for 0.31.17 suggest that this may have been fixed - "fixed problem with baron not arriving due to stale merchant reports". |
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Kipi
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2010-11-17 10:12
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I can confirm that this has been fixed at least partially.
I think there is still some issues, as I had met the requirements and the next time liason arrived I didn't get the option. I traded enough to meet the requirements again, and when the liason arrived next year I finally got the option.
So, when the liason arrived first time after I had met the requirements (trading done with the previous caravan) I didn't get the option, but year after I did. I need to test this out a bit more before making any more assumptions. |
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2010-11-21 06:53
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I got the offer to become a barony without having to do any special tricks/exploits in .18. |
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Dwarfu
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2011-03-01 23:20
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Reminder sent to: Cespinarve, d4ftfad, derigo, Greiger, jeffb, jimi12, king doom, Kipi, Miuq, Neshel, slink, Steely Glint, Thratur
Have any of you NOT received an offer for the Baron after meeting the requirements in versions 31.17 and above?
Please note if your fort was generated in a previous version and imported or if it was newly generated in 31.17 or above.
Kipi, regarding your note at 0000519:0013961, have you experienced having to meet the requirements twice in other instances? |
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slink
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2011-03-02 06:24
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I am getting a Baron now, in 31.18 and 31.19. I never played 31.17 and so cannot comment on that version. |
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Kipi
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2011-03-02 07:36
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No problems with barons here.
Never got a fortress that far to get count/duke, so can not confirm is those works as well, though I believe so... |
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Dwarfu
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2011-03-05 07:02
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Given the feedback and Toady's release notes for 31.17 (pointed out by Quietust 0000519:0013695), I'm adding this to that version's change log. |
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