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0006737Dwarf FortressDwarf Mode -- Environmentpublic2014-07-08 16:342024-03-06 23:09
Reporterpsioryx 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityhave not tried
StatusconfirmedResolutionreopened 
PlatformMacOSOSXOS Version10.9.4
Product Version0.40.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.40.10 
Summary0006737: Flying animals (e.g. birds) stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
DescriptionHave had 3 ravens several z levels up, no trees around, just sitting there in the same spot for several seasons now.
Steps To Reproduceno idea
Additional InformationLots of other stuff flying around as they should.
TagsNo tags attached.
Relationships
related to 0007651resolved Toady One Default ORIENTATION excludes some animals from breeding 
has duplicate 0007028resolved Footkerchief Keas will steal items and not leave the embark site. 
has duplicate 0007093resolved Footkerchief Flying creatures stuck in the skies, possibly causing massive FPS drops due to broken pathfinding 
has duplicate 0007644resolved Footkerchief Flying animals trapped 
has duplicate 0007742resolved Footkerchief [FLIER] Tag causes several issues, including ceased movement of creatures and zero invaders as well as FPS issues. 
has duplicate 0007926resolved Dwarfu The wild Animals stay always 
has duplicate 0007973resolved Footkerchief Birds get stuck mid-air 
has duplicate 0007840resolved Footkerchief Undead creatures are sticked to the borders of the map 
related to 0007170resolved Toady One Troglodytes get stuck while climbing 
related to 0005421new  Adventurer flight empairment 
related to 0006545resolved Toady One Flying creatures stop flying, fall to the ground, and explode 
related to 0009362confirmed Loci Flying visitors hovering near map edge and not pathing to tavern 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2014-07-08 16:34psioryxNew Issue
2014-07-08 16:49FootkerchiefNote Added: 0025178
2014-07-08 16:49FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2014-07-08 16:49FootkerchiefStatusnew => needs feedback
2014-07-08 18:30psioryxNote Added: 0025200
2014-07-08 18:30psioryxStatusneeds feedback => assigned
2014-07-11 07:32FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007028
2014-07-11 20:21FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007093
2014-07-11 20:21FootkerchiefNote Added: 0025919
2014-07-12 05:534maskwolfNote Added: 0025963
2014-07-12 14:21eliotcougarNote Added: 0026023
2014-07-12 14:55Rafal99Note Added: 0026027
2014-07-12 19:37FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007170
2014-07-14 06:38frodo0800Note Added: 0026312
2014-07-19 08:21exottoyuhrNote Added: 0026947
2014-07-19 08:42exottoyuhrNote Edited: 0026947bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0026947#r10040
2014-07-20 19:40lethosorIssue Monitored: eliotcougar
2014-07-20 19:40lethosorIssue Monitored: frodo0800
2014-07-20 19:40lethosorIssue Monitored: Rafal99
2014-07-20 19:40lethosorNote Added: 0027093
2014-07-20 20:24lethosorAssigned ToFootkerchief => lethosor
2014-07-21 04:35lethosorRelationship addedrelated to 0005421
2014-07-22 08:24lethosorStatusassigned => needs feedback
2014-07-26 05:14Rafal99Note Added: 0027585
2014-07-26 05:14Rafal99Note Edited: 0027585bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027585#r10418
2014-07-26 07:11FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007644
2014-07-26 07:11FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Kirkegaard
2014-07-26 08:09KirkegaardNote Added: 0027606
2014-07-26 08:10KirkegaardNote Edited: 0027606bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027606#r10428
2014-07-26 08:16DwarfuNote Added: 0027607
2014-07-26 08:34KirkegaardNote Added: 0027608
2014-07-26 15:22FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0006545
2014-07-28 20:13TalvienoNote Added: 0027845
2014-07-30 11:32FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007742
2014-07-30 15:33AtamanNote Added: 0027985
2014-07-30 18:43lethosorStatusneeds feedback => acknowledged
2014-07-30 18:44lethosorNote Added: 0027991
2014-07-30 18:44lethosorNote Deleted: 0027991
2014-07-30 18:45lethosorRelationship replacedchild of 0007170
2014-07-31 01:05KirkegaardNote Added: 0028009
2014-07-31 01:54KirkegaardNote Deleted: 0028009
2014-07-31 05:134maskwolfIssue Monitored: 4maskwolf
2014-08-04 17:02samanatoIssue Monitored: samanato
2014-08-04 20:02thescribbleryNote Added: 0028336
2014-08-04 20:09thescribbleryNote Edited: 0028336bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028336#r10759
2014-08-04 20:10thescribbleryNote Edited: 0028336bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028336#r10760
2014-08-04 21:26DwarfuSummaryRavens stuck in mid air => Ravens stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-04 23:29thescribbleryNote Deleted: 0028336
2014-08-05 03:36AtamanNote Edited: 0027985bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0027985#r10779
2014-08-09 11:30tacomagicNote Added: 0028655
2014-08-09 11:30tacomagicNote Edited: 0028655bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028655#r10972
2014-08-09 11:30tacomagicNote Edited: 0028655bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028655#r10973
2014-08-09 11:36tacomagicNote Edited: 0028655bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028655#r10977
2014-08-09 11:47tacomagicNote Edited: 0028655bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028655#r10978
2014-08-09 12:20FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007651
2014-08-09 12:20FootkerchiefStatusacknowledged => confirmed
2014-08-09 12:25FootkerchiefRelationship replacedrelated to 0007170
2014-08-09 12:27FootkerchiefSummaryRavens stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?) => Flying animals stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-09 13:59DwarfuRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007926
2014-08-09 19:23musicmastermshNote Added: 0028692
2014-08-10 00:22BorschwangerNote Added: 0028702
2014-08-12 08:48FootkerchiefSummaryFlying animals stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?) => Flying animals (e.g. birds) stuck in mid air (prevents invasions?)
2014-08-12 08:48FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007973
2014-08-12 09:23LociNote Added: 0028877
2014-08-13 00:12thvazNote Added: 0028925
2014-08-13 12:23RobsoieNote Added: 0028971
2014-08-13 12:24RobsoieNote Edited: 0028971bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0028971#r11112
2014-08-13 13:58tacomagicNote Added: 0028990
2014-08-13 15:38FootkerchiefNote Added: 0028994
2014-08-16 17:57ButtonIssue Monitored: Button
2014-08-18 11:44FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0007840
2014-08-18 12:17Toady OneStatusconfirmed => resolved
2014-08-18 12:17Toady OneFixed in Version => Next Version
2014-08-18 12:17Toady OneResolutionopen => fixed
2014-08-18 12:17Toady OneAssigned Tolethosor => Toady One
2014-08-18 12:27KirkegaardIssue End Monitor: Kirkegaard
2014-08-18 12:31samanatoIssue End Monitor: samanato
2014-08-20 02:27Rafal99Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2014-08-20 07:274maskwolfIssue End Monitor: 4maskwolf
2014-08-26 09:36ButtonIssue End Monitor: Button
2015-01-12 15:51FootkerchiefStatusresolved => needs feedback
2015-01-12 15:51FootkerchiefResolutionfixed => reopened
2015-01-12 15:52FootkerchiefNote Added: 0031916
2015-01-12 21:23ptb_ptbNote Added: 0031918
2015-03-29 08:48FootkerchiefStatusneeds feedback => confirmed
2015-12-18 19:56KillzemallgodNote Added: 0034039
2016-08-07 07:10LociRelationship addedrelated to 0009362
2017-06-08 19:16HuntthetrollIssue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2019-08-04 13:33LaularuKyrumoNote Added: 0039471
2023-11-11 07:28puloletrollNote Added: 0041376
2023-11-11 14:43puloletrollNote Added: 0041377
2024-03-06 23:09Thumbthrower1Note Added: 0041380

Notes
(0025178)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-08 16:49   
Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.
(0025200)
psioryx   
2014-07-08 18:30   
The issue went away eventually. I can still provide the save file if it will help. It currently has another issue in progress: Necromancer of siege is not leaving edge of map.
(0025919)
Footkerchief   
2014-07-11 20:21   
Orkel posted a save at 0007093: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8887 [^]
(0025963)
4maskwolf   
2014-07-12 05:53   
If we're talking about immobile creatures, a similar thing with creatures not moving is happening in a current fort with undead on the edge of the map.
(0026023)
eliotcougar   
2014-07-12 14:21   
I'm not sure I should open an additional issue while there're so many flying relater issues that may have common cause...
Does anyone notice that in adventure mode almost all birds just sit on the ground and don't even try to fly away if you attack them?..
(0026027)
Rafal99   
2014-07-12 14:55   
In my fort I had a cluster of 9 Raven Men/Women sitting in midair about 10 z-levels above ground for 4 ingame months. During that time no other above-ground animals spawned on my map.
Eventually I got a quiver from dead goblins so I could send a marksdwarf to shoot them down. Once some of them got hit they all dispersed in horror and flew in all directions.
(0026312)
frodo0800   
2014-07-14 06:38   
The issue seems to be present on .03 too. And the same thing happened to me Rafal99, except I removed the flier tag from them so they could stop lagging everything.
(0026947)
exottoyuhr   
2014-07-19 08:21   
(edited on: 2014-07-19 08:42)
I think this happens -- sporadically -- with all flying creatures. In Losing Is !!Magic!! for 40.03, I saw a pegasus get stuck in the air next to a constructed wall, blinking some sort of brown color. (I told him to dismantle the wall, then cancelled that order, and his pathing went back to normal and he got back to work.)
(0027093)
lethosor   
2014-07-20 19:40   
Reminder sent to: eliotcougar, frodo0800, psioryx, Rafal99

As mentioned in 0005421:0026952, this could be the same problem as 0006737. Can you check the tiles surrounding the stuck creatures with [k] to see if they are listed as "open space" or simply blank? (Preferably in the current version of DF, since 0.40.01-02 saves aren't compatible with the latest DF version.)
(0027585)
Rafal99   
2014-07-26 05:14   
Unfortunately I don't have any forts in 40.03+ atm, but I loaded my save with this bug in DF 40.02 and checked the tiles where the Raven Men are stuck and all of these tiles and all the surrouding tiles too show as "Open space".

But reading 0005421 it seems that open space refers there to any air tiles that are loaded, rather than to tiles being listed as "Open space" in the look menu.
(0027606)
Kirkegaard   
2014-07-26 08:09   
(edited on: 2014-07-26 08:10)
@lethosor
I have a fort with 9 keas stuck in the air around the map. They are all in "open space". There is also 2 Hedgehog womans that have crawled up in a tree and are stuck now, they are not marked as in "open space"
Should I upload a save?
(version 0.40.3)
(0027607)
Dwarfu   
2014-07-26 08:16   
Reminder sent to: Kirkegaard

Yes, upload the save and post a link in the report.
(0027608)
Kirkegaard   
2014-07-26 08:34   
Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9160 [^]
(0027845)
Talvieno   
2014-07-28 20:13   
I have three stuck keas as well.
(0027985)
Ataman   
2014-07-30 15:33   
(edited on: 2014-08-05 03:36)
This bug really needs fixing birds being stuck blocks sieges and any form of hostiles as well.

In short:
Stuck birds = No Invaders, No Megabeasts, No Wildlife and No Forgotten Beasts.

EDIT: (I might be wrong about beasts though).
Save for vanilla 40.06: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9292 [^]
(0028655)
tacomagic   
2014-08-09 11:30   
(edited on: 2014-08-09 11:47)
I've got two Giant owls stuck on this map:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9332 [^]

Of note, this bug seems to also negatively effect animal breeding. In the two years since the owls got stuck, I've had only one domestic animal birth. I've had a peahen sitting on a clutch of 7 eggs for the entire age of the fort and boar/sow combo that's barren. Even more interesting, my cats haven't bred either.

This may be related to 0007651

Could also be related to the undead problems. There's an undead elf left over from a siege that's been idling on the map since the owls got stuck.
(0028692)
musicmastermsh   
2014-08-09 19:23   
Stuck barn owl, dwarves breeding like alpacas, alpacas breeding like dwarves. (they're unmarried to they ain't doing squat) Haven't had any invasions or goblins so far, just some monkeys.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9335 [^]
(0028702)
Borschwanger   
2014-08-10 00:22   
I have had 9 Giant Wrens for a year and a quarter and they are too high to be hunted. Also have some carp that gave birth, not sure if they are supposed to stick around either. I have had both a kobold ambush and a goblin siege. The ewe/ram pair and my dogs have given birth. My cat pair has not. Haven't allowed eggs to sit for hatching since I couldn't hunt any food so that is as yet unknown. Lots of dwarf births.
(0028877)
Loci   
2014-08-12 09:23   
After a certain amount of time on the map, animal groups path to the map edge to migrate out. It appears that the "migrate out" code does not correctly handle critters without a walkable path to an edge (from flying, climbing, or swimming). Preventing fliers from becoming airborne (such as roofing over the floor of the caverns) allows them to migrate off the map successfully.

Since this bug completely breaks one of the more interesting aspects of the game, I think it should qualify for more than "minor" severity.
(0028925)
thvaz   
2014-08-13 00:12   
I got ravens stuck in the air, but I have had invasions.
(0028971)
Robsoie   
2014-08-13 12:23   
(edited on: 2014-08-13 12:24)
I experimented with a fortress of mine in 40.08, as despite i had only 20 dwarves the game was running much slower than it should .
I noticed i had 6 "kea" and 6 "sparrow men" stuck in the air all around the map, not moving.

I decided to edit the saved game own raw and remove the [FLIER] tag from both creature_birds.txt and creature_birds_new.txt files

Then i loaded that save, the 6 keas and the 6 sparrow men (or simple sparrow, i'm not sure i remember them right) fell to the ground, the sparrow men were more lucky as they landed in a tree top, allowing most of them to survive, while the keas were less lucky and all died.

Following that the game wasn't slow anymore, and was running quite fast actually (and much more in par with how it usually run with only 20 dwarves)
(0028990)
tacomagic   
2014-08-13 13:58   
Through a series of tests we proved that there is actually no link between stuck birds and breeding:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=142171.msg5570374#msg5570374 [^]

Thus, there is no relationship between this bug and 0007651.
(0028994)
Footkerchief   
2014-08-13 15:38   
I agree that there's probably no relationship, but proving one link doesn't disprove another link.
(0031916)
Footkerchief   
2015-01-12 15:52   
Reopened and awaiting a save.
(0031918)
ptb_ptb   
2015-01-12 21:23   
Storkmen stuck over a volcano. Follow the stairs. :)

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10435 [^]
(0034039)
Killzemallgod   
2015-12-18 19:56   
Seems to also effect flying guests.
0009382 http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9382 [^]

And 0009385 appears to be a copy of it.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=9385 [^]
(0039471)
LaularuKyrumo   
2019-08-04 13:33   
I wonder if this has anything to do with how flying creatures can only pathfind to areas they would be able to access without flying? Since the creature gets stuck in the air, it has nowhere it can reach without flying, and therefore does not even attempt to go anywhere.
(0041376)
puloletroll   
2023-11-11 07:28   
Hello, i have had a bunch of giant stork stuck on the edge of the map for several ingame years, didn't have any invasions or new creature spawning for those 5 years. The all purpose of this fort being beast hunting, i tryed another fort and had the same issue with 3 osprey man.
in both cases i immediatly started the run by burying my self under a bridge that would cut every access to my fort.
hope it helps
(0041377)
puloletroll   
2023-11-11 14:43   
third time, and it occured to me that everytime this bug happened was in untamed wild biome (for me at least)
(0041380)
Thumbthrower1   
2024-03-06 23:09   
Same here. It happens purely on untamed wilds and on heavily forested maps in my case (I haven't had the same problem on untamed wild deserts or savanas)