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0000089Dwarf FortressCombat -- Generalpublic2010-04-01 21:112014-11-25 22:59
ReporterQuietust 
Assigned ToToady One 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionfixed 
PlatformOSOS Version
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version0.40.01 
Summary0000089: Wrestler/Fighter levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures
DescriptionWith a brand new "Play Now" human in Adventurer mode, approximately 10 turns in combat with a black bear (3 grabs, 2 failed attempts to break free of bites) has given me 1390 points of Wrestling and Fighting skill.

An earlier bout of wrestling with a Bronze Colossus managed to bring my wrestling/fighting skills to around Legendary+60.
Steps To Reproduce
Additional Information
Tagscombat, skills
Relationships
related to 0000428acknowledged Toady One Dwarves refuse to train, and other training weirdness 
has duplicate 0002020resolved Footkerchief Forgotten beast causes instant legendary fighter/wrestler 
has duplicate 0002501resolved Footkerchief Wrestling/Fighter levels extremely fast 
has duplicate 0002041resolved Footkerchief Hunters level incredibly fast, mainly because animals die too slow 
has duplicate 0002822resolved Footkerchief with one move from dabbling to legendary 
has duplicate 0003457resolved Logical2u Wrestler becomes legendary after stabbing ettin with spear. 
has duplicate 0003842resolved Footkerchief Artifact Weapons do not contribute to weaponskill improvements 
has duplicate 0004187resolved Footkerchief hunters level up quickly 
related to 0007173assigned Footkerchief A whole squad punching a rhino is giving ludicrous observer skill but no significant striker skill 
related to 0007839assigned Footkerchief Treading water raises Swimming to Legendary without commensurate attribute gain 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-01 21:11QuietustNew Issue
2010-04-02 06:35TodestoolTag Attached: combat
2010-04-02 06:36TodestoolTag Attached: skills
2010-04-03 15:08FootkerchiefCategoryGeneral => Combat -- General
2010-04-04 04:38AbalienoNote Added: 0000845
2010-04-04 04:51Jiri PetruNote Added: 0000846
2010-04-04 05:18AbalienoIssue Monitored: Abalieno
2010-04-04 05:44alexleonNote Added: 0000850
2010-04-20 01:51Khym ChanurIssue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-05-22 00:06FootkerchiefRelationship addedparent of 0002020
2010-05-27 09:57toybasherNote Added: 0007387
2010-05-27 10:00FootkerchiefSummaryWrestling levels up way too quickly => Wrestling levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures
2010-06-28 12:56FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0002501
2010-07-15 08:38FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0002041
2010-07-25 11:39FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0002822
2010-07-25 11:39FootkerchiefProduct Version => 0.31.01
2010-07-25 11:42FootkerchiefIssue Monitored: Toady One
2010-07-25 11:42FootkerchiefNote Added: 0010993
2010-07-25 11:42FootkerchiefNote View State: 0010993: private
2010-07-25 11:43FootkerchiefRelationship replacedhas duplicate 0002020
2010-07-25 11:43FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0000428
2010-07-25 16:18Toady OneNote Added: 0011028
2010-07-25 16:18Toady OneAssigned To => Toady One
2010-07-25 16:18Toady OneStatusnew => acknowledged
2010-07-25 16:28FootkerchiefNote View State: 0010993: public
2010-07-25 17:07Rafal99Note Added: 0011034
2010-07-25 17:08Rafal99Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-07-31 21:21InsanityPreludeNote Added: 0011346
2010-08-02 21:40InsanityPreludeIssue Monitored: InsanityPrelude
2010-08-02 21:48InsanityPreludeNote Edited: 0011346bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0011346#r4476
2010-09-30 15:24uggiNote Added: 0013091
2010-10-23 08:40Logical2uRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003457
2010-10-23 08:40Logical2uIssue Monitored: Ogg the Blinky Sock
2010-10-24 06:35Q.T.QuazarNote Added: 0013491
2010-11-05 13:31AnotherIssue Monitored: Another
2010-11-27 15:10EddyPNote Added: 0014256
2011-12-21 19:39FootkerchiefSummaryWrestling levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures => Wrestler/Fighter levels up way too quickly, especially against much bigger/stronger creatures
2011-12-21 19:39FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0003842
2014-07-11 18:48SirPenguinNote Added: 0025893
2014-07-11 18:48SirPenguinNote Edited: 0025893bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0025893#r9642
2014-07-11 19:09APVNote Added: 0025898
2014-07-11 19:14Rafal99Note Added: 0025900
2014-07-11 19:15Rafal99Note Edited: 0025900bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0025900#r9650
2014-07-11 19:22Rafal99Note Edited: 0025900bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0025900#r9653
2014-07-11 19:22Rafal99Note Edited: 0025900bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0025900#r9654
2014-07-11 19:22Rafal99Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 19:35Rafal99Note Added: 0025908
2014-07-11 19:35Rafal99Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-11 19:36Rafal99Note Edited: 0025908bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0025908#r9656
2014-07-11 20:15QuietustNote Added: 0025916
2014-07-11 20:41Rafal99Note Added: 0025925
2014-07-11 20:49APVNote Added: 0025928
2014-07-13 11:49FootkerchiefRelationship addedhas duplicate 0004187
2014-07-14 11:31FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007173
2014-08-04 11:59FootkerchiefRelationship addedrelated to 0007839
2014-08-13 13:36FootkerchiefNote Added: 0028982
2014-08-13 13:36FootkerchiefStatusacknowledged => resolved
2014-08-13 13:36FootkerchiefFixed in Version => 0.40.01
2014-08-13 13:36FootkerchiefResolutionopen => fixed
2014-08-20 02:28Rafal99Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2014-11-25 22:59InsanityPreludeIssue End Monitor: InsanityPrelude

Notes
(0000845)
Abalieno   
2010-04-04 04:38   
The first thing I do in Dwarf Fortress mode is sending a dwarf after a racoon who was interrupting things.

The dwarf gets locked into infinite wrestling combat and is soon legendary fighter and wrestler.

So there are two issues. One about the skill improving unrealistically. The other about wrestling needing some balance since it's not possible that a dwarf can't kill a racoon who've been knocked unconscious the whole time and get locked into an almost infinite combat loop.
(0000846)
Jiri Petru   
2010-04-04 04:51   
Abalieno, I believe the killing issue is due to the problem that the only thing that kills creatures is destroying the brain. It's not restricted to wrestling.
(0000850)
alexleon   
2010-04-04 05:44   
What did the combat logs show?
(0007387)
toybasher   
2010-05-27 09:57   
I can confirm this and its easy to reproduce, Just find a BC and try to wrestle itand then look at your stats.
(0010993)
Footkerchief   
2010-07-25 11:42   
Reminder sent to: Toady One

Hey Toady -- this may be of interest, since you were working on skill gains recently.
(0011028)
Toady One   
2010-07-25 16:18   
In combat, you gain the attack skill roll of your opponent to your opposing skill. I think the problem here is that the skill rolls for wrestling incorporate size differences, and that this happens before it gives skill to the attacker/defender. That's my guess anyway. It should be easy enough to fix.
(0011034)
Rafal99   
2010-07-25 17:07   
There is much worse bug which instantly gives you legendary fighting / wrestling in one move. It happens when you fight Giants, Cyclopes, Forgotten beasts or other big stuff and the enemy grabs you by some of your equipment and you try to release the grip. The example is here: 0002822.
(0011346)
InsanityPrelude   
2010-07-31 21:21   
(edited on: 2010-08-02 21:48)
I just noticed this happening with a civilian woodcutter attacked by a Bronze Colossus.
(0013091)
uggi   
2010-09-30 15:24   
Just had this bug in my fortress (v0.31.14). A forgotten beast did some wrestling moves to two dwarves and they instantly became legendary fighters and legendary wrestlers. I used Dwarf Therapist to check their before & after statuses:

Dwarf A:
Fighter: level 2, 1751 xp -> level 15+5, 32962 xp
Wrestler: level 0, 45 xp -> level 15+5, 31168 xp

Dwarf B:
Fighter: level 8, 7732 xp -> level 15+5, 32508 xp
Wrestler: level 2, 1142 xp -> level 15+5, 29727 xp
(0013491)
Q.T.Quazar   
2010-10-24 06:35   
31.16, happened against a demon. From dabbling, no less, i think. Second time I've seen this in two different forts.
(0014256)
EddyP   
2010-11-27 15:10   
This happens alot to cavern dwellers - an FB comes along and attacks them, and any who survive the initial assault become legendary wrestlers.
(0025893)
SirPenguin   
2014-07-11 18:48   
I'm unsure if this is fixed or not. I wrestled a giant as a dwarf in arena, and after about 4 or 5 moves, including breaking his grips, I was only Novice. I wasn't doing this scientifically, but it appeared my Wrestling skill was going up anywhere from 15 to 100 depending on the action

I can't tell if that's too much or not. I certainly wasn't legendary after a few moves

logs:

You grab Giant 1 by the upper body with your right upper arm!
Giant 1 misses You!
Giant 1 breaks the grip of Your right upper arm on Giant 1's upper body.
Giant 1 misses You!
Giant 1 charges at You!
Giant 1 collides with You!
You are knocked over and tumble backward!
Giant 1 misses You!
Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield!
You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away!
Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield!
You can't stand up -- somebody is in the way.
You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away!
You grab Giant 1 by the upper body from behind with your right upper arm!
The Giant 1 breaks the grip of Your right upper arm from The Giant 1's upper body!
You attack Giant 1 but He jumps away!
Giant 1 attacks You but You roll away!
Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked with the iron shield!
Giant 1 grabs You by the right ear with his right lower arm!
You stand up.
Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right ear.
You miss Giant 1!
Giant 1 strikes at You but the shot is blocked!
Giant 1 charges at You!
Giant 1 collides with You!
You are knocked over and tumble backward!
Giant 1 grabs You by the left ear with his right hand!
Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's right hand on Your left ear.
Giant 1 grabs You by the neck with his left lower arm!
You miss Giant 1!
Giant 1 releases the grip of Giant 1's left lower arm on Your neck.
You have nothing left to wear.
Giant 1 grabs You by the right lower leg with his right lower arm!
You stand up.
Giant 1 locks Your right knee with Giant 1's right lower arm!
You struggle in vain against the grip of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right lower leg.
Giant 1 punches You in the left foot with his right hand and the injured part collapses!
You fall over.
You give in to pain.
Giant 1 releases the joint lock of Giant 1's right lower arm on Your right lower leg.
The Giant 1 releases the grip of The Giant 1's right lower arm from Your right lower leg.
Giant 1 punches You in the head with his right hand and the injured part explodes into gore!
You have been struck down.
(0025898)
APV   
2014-07-11 19:09   
I think it is still present in current (0.40.02) version.
Wrestled a cow, and every unsuccessful try (You adjust the grip) gave +110xp, I became legendary wrestler and fighter very fast.
But even then I could not successfully wrestle the cow, and it ended with me dying in one turn.

You adjust the grip of Your right upper arm on The Yak Cow's neck.
You adjust the grip of Your right upper arm on The Yak Cow's neck.
The Yak Cow misses You!
The Yak Cow kicks You in the upper body with her left front hoof and the injured part collapses!
You have been struck down.
(0025900)
Rafal99   
2014-07-11 19:14   
(edited on: 2014-07-11 19:22)
I tested in the arena and while in 0.34 it was easy to reproduce, here I did everything I could think of but didn't manage to reproduce it.
Specificially this no longer happens:

>> (...) bug which instantly gives you legendary fighting / wrestling in one move. It happens when you fight Giants, Cyclopes,
>> Forgotten beasts or other big stuff and the enemy grabs you by some of your equipment and you try to release the grip.

So this part seems fixed or at least much more rare in the new combat reaction mechanics.


Wresting bigger creatures still gives +110xp but it doesn't seem extreme, and possibly is intentional.
But you can no longer become Legendary Wrestler in literally one move like you could in 0.34.
(0025908)
Rafal99   
2014-07-11 19:35   
(edited on: 2014-07-11 19:36)
It seems that when fighting Bronze Colossus I get +110xp per turn, even if the only thing that happens is me being strangled...
(0025916)
Quietust   
2014-07-11 20:15   
110 experience per turn with a Bronze Colossus is probably acceptable - in the past, it was giving well over ten thousand experience per attack.
(0025925)
Rafal99   
2014-07-11 20:41   
Exactly.

But there is still a problem that it gives experience even with no action from the player, like when being strangled.
(0025928)
APV   
2014-07-11 20:49   
Maybe it is not bug, but feature. Upgrading your submission defence for example. ;)
(0028982)
Footkerchief   
2014-08-13 13:36   
Thanks for testing, Rafal99. Based on those findings, we'll call this fixed.