0001887: Mayor mandates "Make raw adamantine items", impossible to fulfill

(0006745)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-05-15 21:21

I think you can make raw adamantine items - it's treated as an ore stone, so you'd just have to convince a mason to use it instead of some other stone, wouldn't you?

To make adamantine bars you need to first extract its strands, then smelt the strands.

(0006754)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-16 00:34

Does this report differ substantially from 0001817?

(0006758)
king doom (reporter)
2010-05-16 03:42

Bit more detail in the description in this one, but it seems about the same. Worth making a note about the studding thing in the other thread if this one is closed I think.

(0006763)
Jave (reporter)
2010-05-16 06:15

Just turn off the reservations for raw adamantine in the stones menu (z -> stones -> Raw adamantine) then any mason can work with it as normal rock?

(0006764)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-05-16 06:16

I personally think 0001817 is more about "all of my mandates are the same and of things that I haven't seen yet" whereas this one doesn't seem much like a bug, since I think there is a way to make raw adamantine items.

(0006770)
derigo (reporter)
2010-05-16 07:12

The new cavern system kinda throws up in the air the idea of what we've "seen" though. Sure its visible somewhere on the map, but I for one do not relish searching the trillions of edges of the visible cavern system for a specific type of extremely rare gem, or whatnot. What's worse, I honestly have no idea what toady could do differently in that respect. How do you determine if an ore type has been "found" if not by whether or not its been revealed? There could be a check to see if any of it has been mined, I suppose... but that's _too_ easy.

(0006866)
burlingk (reporter)
2010-05-17 02:09

For mandates though, from a political/economic perspective, it makes sense for it to be based off of something that has been mined before, even if it asks for quantities that you cannot currently fulfill.

(0007779)
Aescula (reporter)
2010-06-06 03:28

I don't think this is a bug. You mayor likes raw adamantine. Kinda like asking for crystal glass items in a sand-less fort.

(0018795)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-10-13 09:59
edited on: 2011-10-13 10:02

This was caused by 0000823 (RAW_ADAMANTINE used METAL_TEMPLATE, so dwarves were permitted to like it as a metal rather than a stone, permitting nobles to mandate production of items made of it - nobles never mandate production of items made from specific stones), so it should be fixed for worlds generated in version 0.31.13 or later.

(0018822)
Dwarfu (manager)
2011-10-15 09:29

I would agree - I'm marking this as a child of 0000823 as it seems to have been the root cause and I haven't seen any duplicates or other posts related to this problem. If we get a confirmation, we can reopen this.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-05-15 18:14	cankillar	New Issue
2010-05-15 21:20	Logical2u	Relationship added	child of 0000782
2010-05-15 21:21	Logical2u	Note Added: 0006745
2010-05-16 00:34	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006754
2010-05-16 00:34	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-05-16 03:42	king doom	Note Added: 0006758
2010-05-16 06:15	Jave	Note Added: 0006763
2010-05-16 06:16	Logical2u	Note Added: 0006764
2010-05-16 07:12	derigo	Note Added: 0006770
2010-05-17 02:09	burlingk	Note Added: 0006866
2010-05-17 02:10	burlingk	Issue Monitored: burlingk
2010-05-30 09:05	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-06-05 21:21	burlingk	Issue End Monitor: burlingk
2010-06-06 03:28	Aescula	Note Added: 0007779
2011-10-13 09:59	Quietust	Note Added: 0018795
2011-10-13 10:02	Quietust	Note Edited: 0018795	View Revisions
2011-10-13 22:46	Kogut	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.13?
2011-10-13 22:46	Kogut	Tag Attached: f
2011-10-13 22:46	Kogut	Tag Detached: f
2011-10-15 09:26	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	child of 0000782
2011-10-15 09:26	Dwarfu	Relationship added	child of 0000823
2011-10-15 09:27	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.31.13?
2011-10-15 09:29	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0018822
2011-10-15 09:29	Dwarfu	Status	new => resolved
2011-10-15 09:29	Dwarfu	Resolution	open => fixed
2011-10-15 09:29	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2015-01-19 16:18	lethosor	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.13

Notes
(0006745) Logical2u (manager) 2010-05-15 21:21	I think you can make raw adamantine items - it's treated as an ore stone, so you'd just have to convince a mason to use it instead of some other stone, wouldn't you? To make adamantine bars you need to first extract its strands, then smelt the strands.

(0006754) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-16 00:34	Does this report differ substantially from 0001817?

(0006758) king doom (reporter) 2010-05-16 03:42	Bit more detail in the description in this one, but it seems about the same. Worth making a note about the studding thing in the other thread if this one is closed I think.

(0006763) Jave (reporter) 2010-05-16 06:15	Just turn off the reservations for raw adamantine in the stones menu (z -> stones -> Raw adamantine) then any mason can work with it as normal rock?

(0006764) Logical2u (manager) 2010-05-16 06:16	I personally think 0001817 is more about "all of my mandates are the same and of things that I haven't seen yet" whereas this one doesn't seem much like a bug, since I think there is a way to make raw adamantine items.

(0006770) derigo (reporter) 2010-05-16 07:12	The new cavern system kinda throws up in the air the idea of what we've "seen" though. Sure its visible somewhere on the map, but I for one do not relish searching the trillions of edges of the visible cavern system for a specific type of extremely rare gem, or whatnot. What's worse, I honestly have no idea what toady could do differently in that respect. How do you determine if an ore type has been "found" if not by whether or not its been revealed? There could be a check to see if any of it has been mined, I suppose... but that's _too_ easy.

(0006866) burlingk (reporter) 2010-05-17 02:09	For mandates though, from a political/economic perspective, it makes sense for it to be based off of something that has been mined before, even if it asks for quantities that you cannot currently fulfill.

(0007779) Aescula (reporter) 2010-06-06 03:28	I don't think this is a bug. You mayor likes raw adamantine. Kinda like asking for crystal glass items in a sand-less fort.

(0018795) Quietust (reporter) 2011-10-13 09:59 edited on: 2011-10-13 10:02	This was caused by 0000823 (RAW_ADAMANTINE used METAL_TEMPLATE, so dwarves were permitted to like it as a metal rather than a stone, permitting nobles to mandate production of items made of it - nobles never mandate production of items made from specific stones), so it should be fixed for worlds generated in version 0.31.13 or later.

(0018822) Dwarfu (manager) 2011-10-15 09:29	I would agree - I'm marking this as a child of 0000823 as it seems to have been the root cause and I haven't seen any duplicates or other posts related to this problem. If we get a confirmation, we can reopen this.