0000218: Vermin meat/organs can be obtained from embark/caravan

(0000379)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-02 19:54

#xxx creates a link

(0001897)
Frogwarrior (reporter)
2010-04-07 17:35

May be worth noting that insect brains do not turn into remains upon embark, so you can have lots of delicious prepared ant brains.

(0004385)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-04-20 15:13

A recently created adventurer started with a stack of 5 prepared large roach brains. This seems wrong somehow...

(0011025)
Felix the Cat (reporter)
2010-07-25 15:31

FWIW, I just embarked with worm meat and prepared blue jay brains and the like, none of it turned into remains according to the kitchen screen.

(0011459)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2010-08-03 14:19

They're usable, but I still doubt that being able to get barrels of bug brains is an intended behavior.

(0014288)
ethanb (reporter)
2010-11-28 18:01

My guess is that worldgen entities aren't respecting the [NOT_BUTCHERABLE] tag on small vermin. Player-controlled dwarves and adventurers aren't able to dissect the brain from an ant corpse, which is pretty reasonable. The problem seems to be that non-player controlled civs ARE able to do so.

(0032055)
BenLubar (reporter)
2015-01-23 15:09

I've seen prepared tick brains in 0.40.xx Play Now embarks.

(0038723)
a52 (reporter)
2018-08-19 21:21

Still present in 0.44.12. Save here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13972 [^]

(0038725)
PatrikLundell (reporter)
2018-08-20 02:08

I've seen various stuff that you can't normally get. I typically bring some cave fish leather, for instance. However, this issue becomes more than an oddity if dwarven food preferences can target these food items, although I haven't noted any case of that happening.

(0038726)
Rafatio (reporter)
2018-08-20 04:38

Food preference for vermin is possible. Doesn't specify brains, but thats 0004665

(0040104)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2020-02-18 13:38

Still in 47.03

These appear to be mistaken or non-functionally intentional since from the butcher's shop, captured adult creepy crawler vermin have enough muscle to render precisely 1 meat from them using the "Extract from a dead animal" job order which ironically uses only living vermin. (amongst harvesting extracts from spiders/fire snakes using vials)

A [NOT_BUTCHERABLE] rat's brain is too small to process even though dwarves may at a stretch, eat a entire rat as a object when starving.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-02 19:50	t-man	New Issue
2010-04-02 19:54	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000379
2010-04-07 16:38	Footkerchief	Summary	Rat meat turns to Rat Remains on Embark => Can buy vermin meat on embark screen, turns into remains after embarking
2010-04-07 16:38	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000749
2010-04-07 17:35	Frogwarrior	Note Added: 0001897
2010-04-20 15:13	Quietust	Note Added: 0004385
2010-04-20 15:56	Footkerchief	Description Updated	View Revisions
2010-04-29 13:22	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Embark/Setup
2010-07-25 15:27	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002835
2010-07-25 15:28	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000722
2010-07-25 15:31	Felix the Cat	Note Added: 0011025
2010-08-03 14:19	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0011459
2010-11-28 18:01	ethanb	Note Added: 0014288
2012-02-26 20:23	Logical2u	Relationship added	parent of 0005476
2012-05-15 09:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003736
2014-11-08 16:12	Footkerchief	Summary	Can buy vermin meat on embark screen, turns into remains after embarking => Vermin meat/organs can be obtained from embark/caravan
2014-11-08 16:12	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008530
2014-11-08 16:12	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-11-08 16:12	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2015-01-23 15:09	BenLubar	Note Added: 0032055
2015-01-23 15:09	BenLubar	Issue Monitored: BenLubar
2018-04-13 11:57	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Note Added: 0038723
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Tag Attached: vermin
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Tag Attached: butcher
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Tag Attached: trading
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Tag Attached: merchants
2018-08-19 21:21	a52	Tag Attached: embark
2018-08-20 02:08	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0038725
2018-08-20 04:38	Rafatio	Note Added: 0038726
2018-11-12 12:29	Loci	Relationship added	child of 0010954
2018-11-12 12:31	Loci	Relationship replaced	related to 0010954
2020-02-18 13:38	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0040104

Notes
(0000379) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-02 19:54	#xxx creates a link

(0001897) Frogwarrior (reporter) 2010-04-07 17:35	May be worth noting that insect brains do not turn into remains upon embark, so you can have lots of delicious prepared ant brains.

(0004385) Quietust (reporter) 2010-04-20 15:13	A recently created adventurer started with a stack of 5 prepared large roach brains. This seems wrong somehow...

(0011025) Felix the Cat (reporter) 2010-07-25 15:31	FWIW, I just embarked with worm meat and prepared blue jay brains and the like, none of it turned into remains according to the kitchen screen.

(0011459) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2010-08-03 14:19	They're usable, but I still doubt that being able to get barrels of bug brains is an intended behavior.

(0014288) ethanb (reporter) 2010-11-28 18:01	My guess is that worldgen entities aren't respecting the [NOT_BUTCHERABLE] tag on small vermin. Player-controlled dwarves and adventurers aren't able to dissect the brain from an ant corpse, which is pretty reasonable. The problem seems to be that non-player controlled civs ARE able to do so.

(0032055) BenLubar (reporter) 2015-01-23 15:09	I've seen prepared tick brains in 0.40.xx Play Now embarks.

(0038723) a52 (reporter) 2018-08-19 21:21	Still present in 0.44.12. Save here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13972 [^]

(0038725) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2018-08-20 02:08	I've seen various stuff that you can't normally get. I typically bring some cave fish leather, for instance. However, this issue becomes more than an oddity if dwarven food preferences can target these food items, although I haven't noted any case of that happening.

(0038726) Rafatio (reporter) 2018-08-20 04:38	Food preference for vermin is possible. Doesn't specify brains, but thats 0004665

(0040104) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2020-02-18 13:38	Still in 47.03 These appear to be mistaken or non-functionally intentional since from the butcher's shop, captured adult creepy crawler vermin have enough muscle to render precisely 1 meat from them using the "Extract from a dead animal" job order which ironically uses only living vermin. (amongst harvesting extracts from spiders/fire snakes using vials) A [NOT_BUTCHERABLE] rat's brain is too small to process even though dwarves may at a stretch, eat a entire rat as a object when starving.