0000256: "Make Rock Short Sword" results in wooden short sword

(0000464)
Nimrod (reporter)
2010-04-03 02:34

As far as i know obsidian swords use one obsidian stone AND one piece of wood.
(proof: Try to sell one to the elves and see them soil their panties over it)

(0000469)
Steb (reporter)
2010-04-03 03:18

With this bug the reactin uses a sharp stone and a piece of wood, however, the finished product is called after the wood type not the stone type, i.e. "birchen short sword"

(0002268)
Marconius (reporter)
2010-04-09 00:08

I've run into this myself.

Question is, does the "birchen short sword" have the stats of a wooden weapon or an obsidian weapon? Can anyone verify either way?

(0002277)
maanahr (reporter)
2010-04-09 02:07
edited on: 2010-04-09 02:08

I can't really verify, but I used them at the start of a fort once, and they seemed to at least cut up vultures pretty well.

(0002281)
Drone (reporter)
2010-04-09 02:27

It is *meant* to use wood (for the handle and suchlike) so I guess what this means is it's making the wrong type of sword?

(0002320)
Marconius (reporter)
2010-04-09 07:11

The swords are showing up named "birchen short sword" and such.

The question is... are they -actually- wooden swords or is it just a naming error?

As in, maybe they're actually obsidian swords, just called "birchen short sword"?

(0005337)
ronarscorruption (reporter)
2010-04-27 08:07

The real question is why they use an entire tree's worth of wood to make the handle. I coulda made a bed with that.

(0005351)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-27 10:12

lol, that is dwarfy, but that's how it always was. one unit of obsidian, one unit of wood. the same one unit of wood can be used to make a bed, just as the same unit of obsidian can be used to make an entire wall section. such is life.

(0005352)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-27 10:14

... Well, uh, it's not JUST the handle that's made out of wood.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl [^]
Essentially the idea is that it's a wooden sword with embedded shards of sharp stone.

(0006877)
Bronzebeard (reporter)
2010-05-17 07:07

^ No... No it's not.

(0006878)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-17 07:12

Care to elaborate?

(0009960)
shibdib (reporter)
2010-07-11 14:25

Problly a mixup in the reaction causing the game to use the wood's name inplace of the stone, but keeping the stones stats

(0011493)
dree12 (reporter)
2010-08-04 10:05

Or intended. It is a wooden short sword, after all. See Logical2u's link.

(0012067)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-08-24 18:36

Have the combat properties of these weapons been properly tested, or are people simply assuming that the fault is solely in the item's name?

In all likelihood, the swords probably *are* made of wood and they're doing more damage than training swords because they have sharp edges (about as sharp as wood gets, anyways), and they're being made of wood instead of obsidian due to the same bug as 0002817 (namely, using the material from the wrong ingredient).

(0012080)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-08-25 08:39

Additionally, due to 0000821/0000823, rock short swords are often made using copper nuggets, silver nuggets, horn silver, gold nuggets, platinum nuggets, native aluminum, or raw adamantine instead of obsidian.

(0012086)
dree12 (reporter)
2010-08-25 12:02

I'm not sure if that's a bug, METAL_TEMPLATE has SHARP for a reason. (native metals should really be the exact same sharp as metals)

(0012449)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-09-06 05:15

This should be fixed up for 0.31.13.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-03 02:02	Dewar	New Issue
2010-04-03 02:34	Nimrod	Note Added: 0000464
2010-04-03 03:18	Steb	Note Added: 0000469
2010-04-06 02:47	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000598
2010-04-07 10:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000724
2010-04-09 00:08	Marconius	Note Added: 0002268
2010-04-09 01:14	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000859
2010-04-09 02:07	maanahr	Note Added: 0002277
2010-04-09 02:08	maanahr	Note Edited: 0002277	View Revisions
2010-04-09 02:27	Drone	Note Added: 0002281
2010-04-09 07:11	Marconius	Note Added: 0002320
2010-04-11 00:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000947
2010-04-27 08:07	ronarscorruption	Note Added: 0005337
2010-04-27 10:12	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0005351
2010-04-27 10:14	Logical2u	Note Added: 0005352
2010-04-28 14:03	Footkerchief	Summary	Make Rock Shortsword Uses Wood => "Make Rock Short Sword" results in wooden short sword
2010-04-28 14:04	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Items
2010-05-17 07:07	Bronzebeard	Note Added: 0006877
2010-05-17 07:12	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006878
2010-07-11 11:33	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002631
2010-07-11 13:00	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2010-07-11 14:25	shibdib	Note Added: 0009960
2010-07-12 08:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002653
2010-08-04 10:05	dree12	Note Added: 0011493
2010-08-24 18:22	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003098
2010-08-24 18:36	Quietust	Note Added: 0012067
2010-08-24 22:47	kuketski	Issue Monitored: kuketski
2010-08-25 08:39	Quietust	Note Added: 0012080
2010-08-25 12:02	dree12	Note Added: 0012086
2010-09-06 05:15	Toady One	Note Added: 0012449
2010-09-06 05:15	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-09-06 05:15	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.13
2010-09-06 05:15	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-09-06 05:15	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-09-06 08:21	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2010-09-17 22:37	kuketski	Issue End Monitor: kuketski
2010-12-07 07:35	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003783
2011-04-06 17:16	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000073
2017-11-22 16:59	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0009943

Notes
(0000464) Nimrod (reporter) 2010-04-03 02:34	As far as i know obsidian swords use one obsidian stone AND one piece of wood. (proof: Try to sell one to the elves and see them soil their panties over it)

(0000469) Steb (reporter) 2010-04-03 03:18	With this bug the reactin uses a sharp stone and a piece of wood, however, the finished product is called after the wood type not the stone type, i.e. "birchen short sword"

(0002268) Marconius (reporter) 2010-04-09 00:08	I've run into this myself. Question is, does the "birchen short sword" have the stats of a wooden weapon or an obsidian weapon? Can anyone verify either way?

(0002277) maanahr (reporter) 2010-04-09 02:07 edited on: 2010-04-09 02:08	I can't really verify, but I used them at the start of a fort once, and they seemed to at least cut up vultures pretty well.

(0002281) Drone (reporter) 2010-04-09 02:27	It is meant to use wood (for the handle and suchlike) so I guess what this means is it's making the wrong type of sword?

(0002320) Marconius (reporter) 2010-04-09 07:11	The swords are showing up named "birchen short sword" and such. The question is... are they -actually- wooden swords or is it just a naming error? As in, maybe they're actually obsidian swords, just called "birchen short sword"?

(0005337) ronarscorruption (reporter) 2010-04-27 08:07	The real question is why they use an entire tree's worth of wood to make the handle. I coulda made a bed with that.

(0005351) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-27 10:12	lol, that is dwarfy, but that's how it always was. one unit of obsidian, one unit of wood. the same one unit of wood can be used to make a bed, just as the same unit of obsidian can be used to make an entire wall section. such is life.

(0005352) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-27 10:14	... Well, uh, it's not JUST the handle that's made out of wood. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macuahuitl [^] Essentially the idea is that it's a wooden sword with embedded shards of sharp stone.

(0006877) Bronzebeard (reporter) 2010-05-17 07:07	^ No... No it's not.

(0006878) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-17 07:12	Care to elaborate?

(0009960) shibdib (reporter) 2010-07-11 14:25	Problly a mixup in the reaction causing the game to use the wood's name inplace of the stone, but keeping the stones stats

(0011493) dree12 (reporter) 2010-08-04 10:05	Or intended. It is a wooden short sword, after all. See Logical2u's link.

(0012067) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-24 18:36	Have the combat properties of these weapons been properly tested, or are people simply assuming that the fault is solely in the item's name? In all likelihood, the swords probably are made of wood and they're doing more damage than training swords because they have sharp edges (about as sharp as wood gets, anyways), and they're being made of wood instead of obsidian due to the same bug as 0002817 (namely, using the material from the wrong ingredient).

(0012080) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-25 08:39	Additionally, due to 0000821/0000823, rock short swords are often made using copper nuggets, silver nuggets, horn silver, gold nuggets, platinum nuggets, native aluminum, or raw adamantine instead of obsidian.

(0012086) dree12 (reporter) 2010-08-25 12:02	I'm not sure if that's a bug, METAL_TEMPLATE has SHARP for a reason. (native metals should really be the exact same sharp as metals)

(0012449) Toady One (administrator) 2010-09-06 05:15	This should be fixed up for 0.31.13.