0002840: Marksdwarves use wrong bolts when training

(0011043)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-25 18:46

In case there's something special about your fortress that allows this to happen, it would be helpful to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0011045)
HebaruSan (reporter)
2010-07-25 19:01

I saw it happening in this map, already posted for a different bug:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2802 [^]

(0011164)
Orkel2 (reporter)
2010-07-27 11:25

This happens to me in every fort. It's very annoying to see them shoot off my precious steel bolts at archery ranges even when I've set them to be combat only. So I'm forced to use only bone at all times, and only add steel bolts when the dwarf is needed in a combat situation.

(0011172)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-07-27 15:56

Happened to me too. They had metal bolts for combat and wooden bolts for training. A dwarf had both iron and wooden bolts in quiver, but was shooting the iron bolts at archery range. Removing metal bolts from ammo designation in military screen didn't help, they still had metal botls in quiver and were shooting them. Finally I forbidden or dumped all metal bolts to prevent wasting and it works so far.

(0011313)
Thratur (reporter)
2010-07-31 00:52
edited on: 2010-07-31 01:38

I have the same problem and I'm crying everytime my steel arrows are wasted like that :(

(0011503)
eatatree (reporter)
2010-08-04 17:18

This is happening to me consistently. Makes it hard to keep ammo in stock.

(0011676)
ma88hew (reporter)
2010-08-09 17:25

Me too.

Metal bolts: C
Wood Bolts: T

Makes them use metal bolts at the range. However,

Metal bolts: T
Wood Bolts: C

made them use wooden bolts at the range, opposite what should happen.

I'm using the MixMod, if that matters.

(0011706)
Ghoulz (reporter)
2010-08-10 18:36

Happens to me as well, if the ammunition designations worked correctly then things would be so much easier and simpler, but unfortunately it appears to be currently bugged.

(0012464)
Moonshine Fox (reporter)
2010-09-07 01:30

ma88hew: Does that mean that ammo designations DO work, only they are mirrored? Can you confirm?

(0012669)
ma88hew (reporter)
2010-09-15 16:12

Moonshine Fox: Not really. I never saw them use anything else than what they used at the range. They would just walk into battle with the wooden bolts and get slaughtered. Maybe the dwarves are only using combat bolts.

(0013290)
d64 (reporter)
2010-10-10 01:54

Reproduces here as well. One of the most annoying bugs in 31.16.

(0013332)
Narmio (reporter)
2010-10-11 21:09

Seems to reproduce everywhere. Could this be related to places to store equipment in their archery range/barracks? Training weapons/combat weapons for melee dwarves are fiddly depending on available weapon racks, so perhaps there needs to be some place to store bolts at the range? What would that use? A weapon rack? A chest? I shall experiment.

Also, confirming that this is one of my big Rage Bugs with 31.16: Soap cancellations, fishless caverns, missing boots, dopey marksdwarves. If those get fixed soon, fort mode will be awesome.

(0014063)
Orkel2 (reporter)
2010-11-20 14:31

This is annoying. The "Use in combat" and "Use in training" commands do not work at ALL, and whatever you set them to, they will always waste them on training unless you disable the archery targets.

(0014411)
novaalpha (reporter)
2010-12-04 23:46

still in .18

(0015065)
Naros (reporter)
2011-02-08 12:51

Is there a tag, or should we make a tag that suggests that a certain bug should be added to the next batch of bug fixes?

Because this seems like an easy to fix bug, but bothering Toady about it by email seems a bit counterproductive.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-07-25 18:34	OzoneGrif	New Issue
2010-07-25 18:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-07-25 18:46	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011043
2010-07-25 19:01	HebaruSan	Note Added: 0011045
2010-07-27 11:25	Orkel2	Note Added: 0011164
2010-07-27 15:56	Rafal99	Note Added: 0011172
2010-07-31 00:52	Thratur	Note Added: 0011313
2010-07-31 00:54	Thratur	Note Edited: 0011313	View Revisions
2010-07-31 01:38	Thratur	Note Edited: 0011313	View Revisions
2010-08-04 17:18	eatatree	Note Added: 0011503
2010-08-05 18:42	HebaruSan	Issue Monitored: HebaruSan
2010-08-09 17:25	ma88hew	Note Added: 0011676
2010-08-09 17:26	ma88hew	Issue Monitored: ma88hew
2010-08-10 18:36	Ghoulz	Note Added: 0011706
2010-08-10 18:36	Ghoulz	Tag Attached: ammunition
2010-08-10 18:37	Ghoulz	Tag Attached: military screen
2010-08-10 19:08	Ghoulz	Issue Monitored: Ghoulz
2010-08-10 19:09	Ghoulz	Issue End Monitor: Ghoulz
2010-08-16 00:27	knofbath	Issue Monitored: knofbath
2010-08-27 19:06	30 Second Artbomb	Issue Monitored: 30 Second Artbomb
2010-09-07 01:30	Moonshine Fox	Note Added: 0012464
2010-09-09 06:57	Moonshine Fox	Issue Monitored: Moonshine Fox
2010-09-15 16:12	ma88hew	Note Added: 0012669
2010-10-10 01:54	d64	Note Added: 0013290
2010-10-11 21:09	Narmio	Note Added: 0013332
2010-10-12 16:53	Naros	Issue Monitored: Naros
2010-10-31 19:45	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003489
2010-11-20 06:32	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003684
2010-11-20 06:32	Logical2u	Issue Monitored: novaalpha
2010-11-20 14:31	Orkel2	Note Added: 0014063
2010-12-04 23:46	novaalpha	Note Added: 0014411
2011-02-07 15:19	alexleon	Issue Monitored: alexleon
2011-02-08 11:05	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2011-02-08 12:51	Naros	Note Added: 0015065
2011-02-09 21:06	skeggox	Issue Monitored: skeggox
2011-02-28 20:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0001374
2011-02-28 20:58	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	child of 0001374
2011-02-28 20:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0001374
2011-02-28 20:58	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	child of 0000535
2011-02-28 21:01	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002961
2011-03-09 04:06	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2011-03-09 04:06	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.22
2011-03-09 04:06	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2011-03-09 04:06	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2011-03-09 11:55	Naros	Issue End Monitor: Naros

Notes
(0011043) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-25 18:46	In case there's something special about your fortress that allows this to happen, it would be helpful to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0011045) HebaruSan (reporter) 2010-07-25 19:01	I saw it happening in this map, already posted for a different bug: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2802 [^]

(0011164) Orkel2 (reporter) 2010-07-27 11:25	This happens to me in every fort. It's very annoying to see them shoot off my precious steel bolts at archery ranges even when I've set them to be combat only. So I'm forced to use only bone at all times, and only add steel bolts when the dwarf is needed in a combat situation.

(0011172) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-07-27 15:56	Happened to me too. They had metal bolts for combat and wooden bolts for training. A dwarf had both iron and wooden bolts in quiver, but was shooting the iron bolts at archery range. Removing metal bolts from ammo designation in military screen didn't help, they still had metal botls in quiver and were shooting them. Finally I forbidden or dumped all metal bolts to prevent wasting and it works so far.

(0011313) Thratur (reporter) 2010-07-31 00:52 edited on: 2010-07-31 01:38	I have the same problem and I'm crying everytime my steel arrows are wasted like that :(

(0011503) eatatree (reporter) 2010-08-04 17:18	This is happening to me consistently. Makes it hard to keep ammo in stock.

(0011676) ma88hew (reporter) 2010-08-09 17:25	Me too. Metal bolts: C Wood Bolts: T Makes them use metal bolts at the range. However, Metal bolts: T Wood Bolts: C made them use wooden bolts at the range, opposite what should happen. I'm using the MixMod, if that matters.

(0011706) Ghoulz (reporter) 2010-08-10 18:36	Happens to me as well, if the ammunition designations worked correctly then things would be so much easier and simpler, but unfortunately it appears to be currently bugged.

(0012464) Moonshine Fox (reporter) 2010-09-07 01:30	ma88hew: Does that mean that ammo designations DO work, only they are mirrored? Can you confirm?

(0012669) ma88hew (reporter) 2010-09-15 16:12	Moonshine Fox: Not really. I never saw them use anything else than what they used at the range. They would just walk into battle with the wooden bolts and get slaughtered. Maybe the dwarves are only using combat bolts.

(0013290) d64 (reporter) 2010-10-10 01:54	Reproduces here as well. One of the most annoying bugs in 31.16.

(0013332) Narmio (reporter) 2010-10-11 21:09	Seems to reproduce everywhere. Could this be related to places to store equipment in their archery range/barracks? Training weapons/combat weapons for melee dwarves are fiddly depending on available weapon racks, so perhaps there needs to be some place to store bolts at the range? What would that use? A weapon rack? A chest? I shall experiment. Also, confirming that this is one of my big Rage Bugs with 31.16: Soap cancellations, fishless caverns, missing boots, dopey marksdwarves. If those get fixed soon, fort mode will be awesome.

(0014063) Orkel2 (reporter) 2010-11-20 14:31	This is annoying. The "Use in combat" and "Use in training" commands do not work at ALL, and whatever you set them to, they will always waste them on training unless you disable the archery targets.

(0014411) novaalpha (reporter) 2010-12-04 23:46	still in .18

(0015065) Naros (reporter) 2011-02-08 12:51	Is there a tag, or should we make a tag that suggests that a certain bug should be added to the next batch of bug fixes? Because this seems like an easy to fix bug, but bothering Toady about it by email seems a bit counterproductive.