0003733: miners won't mine / woodcutters won't cut

(0014222)
uristmcdorfypants (reporter)
2010-11-25 23:15

Just tried equiping those dorfs on the military screen, and interestingly enough, it says that the items ARE in their possession (green check mark) - but out of the equipment assignment screen, they are sitting on the ground - not in their hands - and the labor still doesnt work.

(0014223)
db48x (reporter)
2010-11-25 23:31

This was happening at my fort, but as soon as the next wave of migrants arrived all the dwarves I had told to become miners suddenly took up the job. In the hope of finding a cause, I'll note that my original miners and wood cutter had both been injured while protecting the fort from a flock of elk birds. Two of them died, and the third is just taking up space in the hospital.

(0014224)
db48x (reporter)
2010-11-25 23:36

oh, a detail: one of the migrants was a wood cutter himself.

(0014233)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-11-26 16:48

You should both upload saves demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0014514)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-12-10 19:25

Reminder sent to: uristmcdorfypants

Can you please upload a save for review? http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0014531)
Videospirit (reporter)
2010-12-11 11:45

This seems to be the same bug as 0003660 although it's certainly a more detailed report.

(0014539)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-12-11 12:57

Videospirit posted this link at 0003660: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3550 [^]

(0014542)
Videospirit (reporter)
2010-12-11 13:56

As originally explained in 0001199 there is a workaround to get them to do work. I've fully refined the process to prevent draft related unhappiness. First, create a squad in the military and manually assign your miners and woodcutters the equipment for their tasks. Make sure you turn off their labors first. Once they generate the "pickup equipment job." pause the game and turn their mining/woodcutting labor back on. After they pickup their equipment they will hold onto it and go off to work. I'm not sure if it will work for hunters or not yet, since they need more than 1 piece of equipment.

They like to drop their equipment again from time to time though, say if they get thirsty, and you have to reassign it using this method once again. And if you turn their labor on after they've picked up their equipment they'll immediately drop it.

(0020898)
runlvlzero (reporter)
2012-02-29 01:07

I have another bugged save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5740 [^]

Description from wimbli of issue:

34.03 DF_Phoebus_34_03v00 save

My dwarfs wont mine.

I have tried the work arounds posted on the bug reports section of bugzilla and google, and yahoo groups, as well as work arounds from the main site forums.

They consist of disabling and enabling mining, making sure dwarves are not in the military and doing it from the games interface.

I lost the ability to mine when my 2cnd dwarf got injured. They were not military dwarves at the time. I dumped their pick once I had them moved to a hospital bed.

I have not been able to get anyone else to mine again. The pick just stays at the stockpile or the dumpsite (claimed) once I forbade picks from stockpiles (incase that was the issue).

I surmise that it is still owned by the broken miner, or they are trying to get the pick that is unrecoverable in the water. I attempted to forbid the pick in the water, the available pick was still not being used.

Hope this helps.

(0023870)
Dwarfu (manager)
2013-03-04 01:11

uggi's save from 0001199:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3383 [^]

(0029201)
Sivarty (reporter)
2014-08-17 19:36
edited on: 2014-08-17 19:36

Here is a save from 0.40.09
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9427 [^]

Three miners not mining, all have picks, they where all mining then there was a job cancelation for an unknown reason and now none mine and the farmer won't build farm. All miners have picks and mining enabled no burrows made. None in military at anytime. Brands new world, first embark in world. Woodcutter will chop trees.

(0029202)
Sivarty (reporter)
2014-08-17 20:01
edited on: 2014-08-17 20:06

Continued playing, mechanic won't make mechinisms despite granite being available. tried dumping some. None would dump designated granite. Made below ground food stockpile none would transfer food to it or harvest plants to it. Made an above ground one and they would use it and harvest plants to it.

With even more playing I can get them to mine on z level 0 and z level -1. and the famer to build farm plots on z-1.

(0029203)
Cerbsen (reporter)
2014-08-17 22:24
edited on: 2014-08-17 22:25

@Sivarty... i just loaded your save and there is no problem with mining or farming. Your dwarfs just can't get below L-143 because your ramps lead into walls.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Ramp [^]

(0029208)
Sivarty (reporter)
2014-08-18 01:05

Well you are right. sorry for necroing a bug.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-11-25 22:49	uristmcdorfypants	New Issue
2010-11-25 23:15	uristmcdorfypants	Note Added: 0014222
2010-11-25 23:31	db48x	Note Added: 0014223
2010-11-25 23:36	db48x	Note Added: 0014224
2010-11-26 10:42	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-11-26 16:48	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0014233
2010-11-26 16:49	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-12-10 19:25	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0014514
2010-12-11 11:45	Videospirit	Note Added: 0014531
2010-12-11 12:56	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003660
2010-12-11 12:57	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0014539
2010-12-11 12:57	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-12-11 13:56	Videospirit	Note Added: 0014542
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001451
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	child of 0001451
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	child of 0000535
2011-02-28 21:45	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000340
2011-02-28 21:45	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	child of 0001451
2011-09-11 08:48	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0004890
2011-12-19 05:07	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Save Included
2011-12-19 05:07	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2012-02-29 01:07	runlvlzero	Note Added: 0020898
2013-03-04 01:10	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001199
2013-03-04 01:11	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0023870
2014-08-17 19:36	Sivarty	Note Added: 0029201
2014-08-17 19:36	Sivarty	Note Edited: 0029201	View Revisions
2014-08-17 20:01	Sivarty	Note Added: 0029202
2014-08-17 20:06	Sivarty	Note Edited: 0029202	View Revisions
2014-08-17 22:24	Cerbsen	Note Added: 0029203
2014-08-17 22:25	Cerbsen	Note Edited: 0029203	View Revisions
2014-08-17 22:25	Cerbsen	Note Edited: 0029203	View Revisions
2014-08-18 01:05	Sivarty	Note Added: 0029208

Notes
(0014222) uristmcdorfypants (reporter) 2010-11-25 23:15	Just tried equiping those dorfs on the military screen, and interestingly enough, it says that the items ARE in their possession (green check mark) - but out of the equipment assignment screen, they are sitting on the ground - not in their hands - and the labor still doesnt work.

(0014223) db48x (reporter) 2010-11-25 23:31	This was happening at my fort, but as soon as the next wave of migrants arrived all the dwarves I had told to become miners suddenly took up the job. In the hope of finding a cause, I'll note that my original miners and wood cutter had both been injured while protecting the fort from a flock of elk birds. Two of them died, and the third is just taking up space in the hospital.

(0014224) db48x (reporter) 2010-11-25 23:36	oh, a detail: one of the migrants was a wood cutter himself.

(0014233) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-11-26 16:48	You should both upload saves demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0014514) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-12-10 19:25	Reminder sent to: uristmcdorfypants Can you please upload a save for review? http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0014531) Videospirit (reporter) 2010-12-11 11:45	This seems to be the same bug as 0003660 although it's certainly a more detailed report.

(0014539) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-12-11 12:57	Videospirit posted this link at 0003660: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3550 [^]

(0014542) Videospirit (reporter) 2010-12-11 13:56	As originally explained in 0001199 there is a workaround to get them to do work. I've fully refined the process to prevent draft related unhappiness. First, create a squad in the military and manually assign your miners and woodcutters the equipment for their tasks. Make sure you turn off their labors first. Once they generate the "pickup equipment job." pause the game and turn their mining/woodcutting labor back on. After they pickup their equipment they will hold onto it and go off to work. I'm not sure if it will work for hunters or not yet, since they need more than 1 piece of equipment. They like to drop their equipment again from time to time though, say if they get thirsty, and you have to reassign it using this method once again. And if you turn their labor on after they've picked up their equipment they'll immediately drop it.

(0020898) runlvlzero (reporter) 2012-02-29 01:07	I have another bugged save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5740 [^] Description from wimbli of issue: 34.03 DF_Phoebus_34_03v00 save My dwarfs wont mine. I have tried the work arounds posted on the bug reports section of bugzilla and google, and yahoo groups, as well as work arounds from the main site forums. They consist of disabling and enabling mining, making sure dwarves are not in the military and doing it from the games interface. I lost the ability to mine when my 2cnd dwarf got injured. They were not military dwarves at the time. I dumped their pick once I had them moved to a hospital bed. I have not been able to get anyone else to mine again. The pick just stays at the stockpile or the dumpsite (claimed) once I forbade picks from stockpiles (incase that was the issue). I surmise that it is still owned by the broken miner, or they are trying to get the pick that is unrecoverable in the water. I attempted to forbid the pick in the water, the available pick was still not being used. Hope this helps.

(0023870) Dwarfu (manager) 2013-03-04 01:11	uggi's save from 0001199: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3383 [^]

(0029201) Sivarty (reporter) 2014-08-17 19:36 edited on: 2014-08-17 19:36	Here is a save from 0.40.09 http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9427 [^] Three miners not mining, all have picks, they where all mining then there was a job cancelation for an unknown reason and now none mine and the farmer won't build farm. All miners have picks and mining enabled no burrows made. None in military at anytime. Brands new world, first embark in world. Woodcutter will chop trees.

(0029202) Sivarty (reporter) 2014-08-17 20:01 edited on: 2014-08-17 20:06	Continued playing, mechanic won't make mechinisms despite granite being available. tried dumping some. None would dump designated granite. Made below ground food stockpile none would transfer food to it or harvest plants to it. Made an above ground one and they would use it and harvest plants to it. With even more playing I can get them to mine on z level 0 and z level -1. and the famer to build farm plots on z-1.

(0029203) Cerbsen (reporter) 2014-08-17 22:24 edited on: 2014-08-17 22:25	@Sivarty... i just loaded your save and there is no problem with mining or farming. Your dwarfs just can't get below L-143 because your ramps lead into walls. http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Ramp [^]

(0029208) Sivarty (reporter) 2014-08-18 01:05	Well you are right. sorry for necroing a bug.