0004262: Charcoal counts as "refined coal" only at furnaces, not at forge

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0004262

Dwarf Fortress

Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Items

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2011-03-21 02:28

2011-03-31 19:10

Reporter

GreenSpinach

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Footkerchief

Priority

high

Severity

major

Reproducibility

always

Status

resolved

Resolution

duplicate

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Product Version

0.31.18

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Fixed in Version

Summary

0004262: Charcoal counts as "refined coal" only at furnaces, not at forge

Description

You can't use charcoal at the forge. I'm not complaining about this because Wikipedia says you can, but because it makes no sense. If charcoal is good enough to melt metal the first time, it should be good time to melt the same metal a second time. Also, the game implies that charcoal and coke are equivalent by calling both of them "refined coal". Also, needing to use coke as fuel for making all metal items makes coal many times more important than flux stone, yet there is no option for coal in the site finder. The unfortunate player who doesn't have any coal at his embark site is crippled, having to request coal and then wait for the dwarven caravan to show up a second time before he can start making any weapons, armor, or tools at the forge.
Actually, even if you are willing to wait for the caravan to bring coal and/or coke, it doesn't really help because it doesn't bring much (in my experience, never more than a single piece of each), and you'll probably have magma forges within a few years anyway, even if the magma is 150 Z-levels deep underground and you insist on building a pump stack instead of just building the forge deep underground.
Just in case somebody tells me I'm mistaken about this, I'm 100% sure that I had 3 non-forbidden, stockpiled, non-tasked bars of charcoal. If you actually can use charcoal, then it would have to be one of those weird bugs where you have to have a non-stockpiled piece. But that seems unlikely considering that all those bugs only affect adding tasks to the building's list, while this problem occurs when a dwarf tries to accept the task.

Steps To Reproduce

Try to forge something when you have charcoal but not coke.

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0000434

resolved

Toady One

Reaction jobs (unlike other jobs) don't look outside burrow for workers and raw materials (works through manager)

Notes
(0016410) Another (reporter) 2011-03-21 02:47	I had a healthy metal industry on only charcoal without magma in 0.31.21 and prior. Can you please attach your save where it is happening? (http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] is for this)

(0016437) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-03-21 07:08	Reminder sent to: GreenSpinach Was the forge and/or the stockpile inside a burrow? What job were you attempting to queue at the forge?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-21 02:28	GreenSpinach	New Issue
2011-03-21 02:47	Another	Note Added: 0016410
2011-03-21 07:08	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0016437
2011-03-21 07:08	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-21 07:08	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000434
2011-03-30 10:31	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	duplicate of 0000434
2011-03-30 10:31	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2011-03-30 10:31	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => duplicate
2011-03-30 10:31	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2011-03-31 19:10	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE