0004550: Dodging into river/lava/from cliff etc

(0017454)
danaris (reporter)
2011-04-21 09:48

Yes, one would think that at least once a dwarf is more skilled in Dodging, he would be smarter about where he dodges...

(0022247)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-04-13 06:58
edited on: 2012-04-13 06:59

The 04/12/2012 devlog update certainly acknowledges this problem (and implies that minecarts may be expanding this list considerably) but suggests that it'll eventually be dealt with.

(0022689)
krenshala (reporter)
2012-05-23 07:27

Myself, I'm torn by this.

I've seen (civilian) dwarves dodge over edges for a 1 z-level fall, but that allowed them to escape the swarm of zombie muscle shells that were attacking them at the time. I've also had an elven swordsman dodge into my (dry) moat to avoid being hit, which allowed him to be the only survivor of their failed ambush against my fortress.

I can see someone making a poor snap-decision on "which way do i dodge?!" in a sudden life-or-death situation, on the other hand it quite often makes sense that the dwarf (or whoever) would know "I do NOT want to dodge THAT way!" when it comes time to dodge something. On the gripping hand, the current method definitely makes things loads of !!fun!! on occasion. :D

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HiEv (reporter)
2012-05-23 16:32

They can also dodge up a z-level onto a wall. See bug 0003371: Non fliers end up on top of walls.

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sandwich (reporter)
2012-08-10 10:51

its just logical , lets see how a average man could dodge a charging elephant , you have no time to think in a life or death moment , so i guess you would dodge at random direction .

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JonTheRed (reporter)
2012-09-09 22:59

Right, but as was said above, such a snap decision would likely come much more easily to one with a higher skill in Dodging. Presumably, such skill would necessitate the realization that rolling headfirst into a tree is of little help.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-04-21 07:52	Kogut	New Issue
2011-04-21 09:48	danaris	Note Added: 0017454
2012-02-10 05:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001600
2012-02-26 11:48	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-04-13 05:31	Steb	Issue Monitored: Steb
2012-04-13 06:58	Quietust	Note Added: 0022247
2012-04-13 06:59	Quietust	Note Edited: 0022247	View Revisions
2012-05-23 07:27	krenshala	Note Added: 0022689
2012-05-23 07:29	krenshala	Issue Monitored: krenshala
2012-05-23 16:32	HiEv	Note Added: 0022693
2012-08-10 10:51	sandwich	Note Added: 0023435
2012-09-09 22:59	JonTheRed	Note Added: 0023545

Notes
(0017454) danaris (reporter) 2011-04-21 09:48	Yes, one would think that at least once a dwarf is more skilled in Dodging, he would be smarter about where he dodges...

(0022247) Quietust (reporter) 2012-04-13 06:58 edited on: 2012-04-13 06:59	The 04/12/2012 devlog update certainly acknowledges this problem (and implies that minecarts may be expanding this list considerably) but suggests that it'll eventually be dealt with.

(0022689) krenshala (reporter) 2012-05-23 07:27	Myself, I'm torn by this. I've seen (civilian) dwarves dodge over edges for a 1 z-level fall, but that allowed them to escape the swarm of zombie muscle shells that were attacking them at the time. I've also had an elven swordsman dodge into my (dry) moat to avoid being hit, which allowed him to be the only survivor of their failed ambush against my fortress. I can see someone making a poor snap-decision on "which way do i dodge?!" in a sudden life-or-death situation, on the other hand it quite often makes sense that the dwarf (or whoever) would know "I do NOT want to dodge THAT way!" when it comes time to dodge something. On the gripping hand, the current method definitely makes things loads of !!fun!! on occasion. :D

(0022693) HiEv (reporter) 2012-05-23 16:32	They can also dodge up a z-level onto a wall. See bug 0003371: Non fliers end up on top of walls.

(0023435) sandwich (reporter) 2012-08-10 10:51	its just logical , lets see how a average man could dodge a charging elephant , you have no time to think in a life or death moment , so i guess you would dodge at random direction .

(0023545) JonTheRed (reporter) 2012-09-09 22:59	Right, but as was said above, such a snap decision would likely come much more easily to one with a higher skill in Dodging. Presumably, such skill would necessitate the realization that rolling headfirst into a tree is of little help.