0005075: Critter men say their name is TRANS_NAME]

(0019556)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-14 14:46

Reminder sent to: Teddy

Please upload a save demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0019562)
Teddy (reporter)
2012-02-14 15:31

Will do as soon as I manage to replicate it with a new adventurer. The adventurere whom I encountered the bug with died...

(0020247)
Teddy (reporter)
2012-02-20 05:53
edited on: 2012-02-20 11:30

I've managed to replicate the bug in the latest version with a magpie man, but I lack the ability to upload anything at the moment.

Also, I remembered incorrectly: they say their name is TRANS_NAME], not LANG_TRANS].

(0020796)
Teddy (reporter)
2012-02-27 06:51

File: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5714 [^]

I've already talked to one of the magpie men to the south, but the other one should display the same behaviour. There should also be some other critter men (I can't remember which critter) to the south east.

(0023198)
jimj316 (reporter)
2012-07-09 11:16
edited on: 2012-07-09 11:17

I have experienced this problem too, but it was with a modded race. In both cases, the entity raws lack a TRANSLATION token. Adding [TRANSLATION:DWARF] to my race fixed the problem.

I think I recall the wiki at some point saying that if an entity did not have an assigned translation, then the game would choose one at random. Is this only for older versions?

(0025127)
thvaz (reporter)
2014-07-08 12:46

This bug still happens in 40.01. I found a sparrow_man in a play and a cave fish woman blowgunner in other and both present themselves as TRANS_NAME]. It is possible to change the title of the bug, so Toady won't get confused? It is TRANS_NAME], not LANG_TRANS].

(0025144)
ArmokGoB (reporter)
2014-07-08 14:05

Can confirm. I've found sparrow and sponge men exhibiting this behavior.

(0025404)
Gulf (reporter)
2014-07-09 15:46

Experiencing this bug also, applies to Kea Men as well.

(0025841)
Someone-else (reporter)
2014-07-11 13:23

Confirming for gorlaks.

(0025878)
nekoxmachina (reporter)
2014-07-11 16:40

Confirming for gorlaks as well.

(0026559)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-07-15 17:50

Can confirm. Have found with harpies.

(0027451)
lethosor (manager)
2014-07-24 14:46

Applies to owl men as well, according to Afro.

(0027993)
ArmokGoB (reporter)
2014-07-30 18:59

Demons also exhibit this behavior.

(0030687)
kicking jay (reporter)
2014-10-19 21:10

Is this related to the dialogue among animalfolk where they converse with self-referential language only?

"I found myself dead."
"<Just now, a few weeks ago, in a time before time> I attacked myself.>"
"<Adventurer Name> just attacked me."

And the like?

(0030689)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-10-20 06:12
edited on: 2014-10-20 06:22

@kicking jay: No, those are 0006889, 0006862, and 0007614 (in no particular order) which are different bugs within the conversation system.

(0036639)
chaosvolt (reporter)
2017-06-28 00:02

Side note, it appears that if you view the critter, then give them a nickname, they'll start using that once you get them to introduce themselves.

Which is good if you feel like recruiting them, except for the problem where they act very weird when recruiting. Generally seem to refuse to fight, and will fuck off like wild animals if you unrecruit them.

(0036808)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2017-10-28 07:57

Present within version 43.05

Confirming this with evidence (& method) that demons & wilderness animalmen from savage biomes - namely wild coyote animalmen use TRANS_NAME].

The method i used was to filter [REGULAR_CONVERSATION] to fortress mode announcements and hear discussions happening on my embark on all levels including ones I had not discovered.

Weasel Devil: Greetings. My name is TRANS_NAME].
Weasel Devil: Hello, weasel devil. I am TRANS_NAME].
Weasel Devil: Greetings. My name is TRANS_NAME].
Weasel Devil: These people carrying on about romance should be more practical.
Weasel Devil: Hello, weasel devil. I am TRANS_NAME].

I have this demon transcript in the fourth spoiler of this post on the forums but the method is easy to follow anyway to determine for yourselves. ( http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=157394.msg7602102#msg7602102 [^] )

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-02-14 13:29	Teddy	New Issue
2012-02-14 14:46	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019556
2012-02-14 15:31	Teddy	Note Added: 0019562
2012-02-20 05:53	Teddy	Note Added: 0020247
2012-02-20 11:30	Teddy	Note Edited: 0020247	View Revisions
2012-02-27 06:51	Teddy	Note Added: 0020796
2012-07-05 09:43	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006071
2012-07-09 11:16	jimj316	Note Added: 0023198
2012-07-09 11:17	jimj316	Note Edited: 0023198	View Revisions
2014-07-08 05:02	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006602
2014-07-08 12:46	thvaz	Note Added: 0025127
2014-07-08 12:52	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Probable Quick Fix
2014-07-08 14:05	ArmokGoB	Note Added: 0025144
2014-07-08 14:24	lethosor	Summary	Critter men say their name is LANG_TRANS] => Critter men say their name is TRANS_NAME]
2014-07-09 15:46	Gulf	Note Added: 0025404
2014-07-10 19:52	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007007
2014-07-11 13:23	Someone-else	Note Added: 0025841
2014-07-11 16:40	nekoxmachina	Note Added: 0025878
2014-07-15 17:50	Talvieno	Note Added: 0026559
2014-07-16 12:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007387
2014-07-24 14:46	lethosor	Note Added: 0027451
2014-07-24 14:46	lethosor	Assigned To	=> lethosor
2014-07-24 14:46	lethosor	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-07-27 08:42	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007658
2014-07-30 18:59	ArmokGoB	Note Added: 0027993
2014-08-18 07:10	Footkerchief	Status	acknowledged => confirmed
2014-09-01 02:28	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008212
2014-10-19 21:10	kicking jay	Note Added: 0030687
2014-10-20 06:12	smjjames	Note Added: 0030689
2014-10-20 06:17	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030689	View Revisions
2014-10-20 06:22	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030689	View Revisions
2014-10-27 11:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008447
2015-01-18 15:38	BenLubar	Issue Monitored: BenLubar
2015-01-26 20:07	txtsd	Issue Monitored: txtsd
2015-12-02 15:01	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009174
2015-12-13 09:45	Hedede	Issue Monitored: Hedede
2015-12-13 09:45	Hedede	Issue End Monitor: Hedede
2016-10-06 12:03	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010033
2017-06-08 20:17	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2017-06-28 00:02	chaosvolt	Note Added: 0036639
2017-07-26 00:39	park66665	Issue Monitored: park66665
2017-10-28 07:57	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0036808

Notes
(0019556) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-14 14:46	Reminder sent to: Teddy Please upload a save demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0019562) Teddy (reporter) 2012-02-14 15:31	Will do as soon as I manage to replicate it with a new adventurer. The adventurere whom I encountered the bug with died...

(0020247) Teddy (reporter) 2012-02-20 05:53 edited on: 2012-02-20 11:30	I've managed to replicate the bug in the latest version with a magpie man, but I lack the ability to upload anything at the moment. Also, I remembered incorrectly: they say their name is TRANS_NAME], not LANG_TRANS].

(0020796) Teddy (reporter) 2012-02-27 06:51	File: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5714 [^] I've already talked to one of the magpie men to the south, but the other one should display the same behaviour. There should also be some other critter men (I can't remember which critter) to the south east.

(0023198) jimj316 (reporter) 2012-07-09 11:16 edited on: 2012-07-09 11:17	I have experienced this problem too, but it was with a modded race. In both cases, the entity raws lack a TRANSLATION token. Adding [TRANSLATION:DWARF] to my race fixed the problem. I think I recall the wiki at some point saying that if an entity did not have an assigned translation, then the game would choose one at random. Is this only for older versions?

(0025127) thvaz (reporter) 2014-07-08 12:46	This bug still happens in 40.01. I found a sparrow_man in a play and a cave fish woman blowgunner in other and both present themselves as TRANS_NAME]. It is possible to change the title of the bug, so Toady won't get confused? It is TRANS_NAME], not LANG_TRANS].

(0025144) ArmokGoB (reporter) 2014-07-08 14:05	Can confirm. I've found sparrow and sponge men exhibiting this behavior.

(0025404) Gulf (reporter) 2014-07-09 15:46	Experiencing this bug also, applies to Kea Men as well.

(0025841) Someone-else (reporter) 2014-07-11 13:23	Confirming for gorlaks.

(0025878) nekoxmachina (reporter) 2014-07-11 16:40	Confirming for gorlaks as well.

(0026559) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-07-15 17:50	Can confirm. Have found with harpies.

(0027451) lethosor (manager) 2014-07-24 14:46	Applies to owl men as well, according to Afro.

(0027993) ArmokGoB (reporter) 2014-07-30 18:59	Demons also exhibit this behavior.

(0030687) kicking jay (reporter) 2014-10-19 21:10	Is this related to the dialogue among animalfolk where they converse with self-referential language only? "I found myself dead." "<Just now, a few weeks ago, in a time before time> I attacked myself.>" "<Adventurer Name> just attacked me." And the like?

(0030689) smjjames (reporter) 2014-10-20 06:12 edited on: 2014-10-20 06:22	@kicking jay: No, those are 0006889, 0006862, and 0007614 (in no particular order) which are different bugs within the conversation system.

(0036639) chaosvolt (reporter) 2017-06-28 00:02	Side note, it appears that if you view the critter, then give them a nickname, they'll start using that once you get them to introduce themselves. Which is good if you feel like recruiting them, except for the problem where they act very weird when recruiting. Generally seem to refuse to fight, and will fuck off like wild animals if you unrecruit them.

(0036808) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2017-10-28 07:57	Present within version 43.05 Confirming this with evidence (& method) that demons & wilderness animalmen from savage biomes - namely wild coyote animalmen use TRANS_NAME]. The method i used was to filter [REGULAR_CONVERSATION] to fortress mode announcements and hear discussions happening on my embark on all levels including ones I had not discovered. Weasel Devil: Greetings. My name is TRANS_NAME]. Weasel Devil: Hello, weasel devil. I am TRANS_NAME]. Weasel Devil: Greetings. My name is TRANS_NAME]. Weasel Devil: These people carrying on about romance should be more practical. Weasel Devil: Hello, weasel devil. I am TRANS_NAME]. I have this demon transcript in the fourth spoiler of this post on the forums but the method is easy to follow anyway to determine for yourselves. ( http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=157394.msg7602102#msg7602102 [^] )