0005106: Bandits/companions respawn/duplicate in their original location

(0019628)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-15 07:05

Reminder sent to: EnigmaticHat

A save would be helpful for this one. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0019722)
EnigmaticHat (reporter)
2012-02-15 17:13

I have a save up: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5523 [^]

I am now absolutely sure the bandits are respawning: I managed to produce three kobold spearman corpses in the same room with the same name.

(0019752)
DarkX2 (reporter)
2012-02-16 00:51

I am also adding a save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5530 [^]

To verify:
1. Have a look at my kills - you will note that I have killed some bandits twice.
2. Leave the dungeon (Southern door, Southern door, short floor, use the up/down stairs at end of floor to go up, next floor go south and then the stairs up, use south door, use west door, use stairs you are back in castle.)
3.Leave castle, fastravel one square away, return to castle)
4. Enter castle, enter the dungeon, go the way back
5. In the room with some stuff and statues, there should be a new bowman that is the same as one I have already killed (twice I think)

(0019808)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-16 09:42

Goton reports at 0005182 that this can also happen with slain companions.

(0020897)
Jiharo (reporter)
2012-02-29 00:35

Yet another save for 34.04: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5739 [^]
Slain companion "Smenre Jalewrarses" was re-recruited in the same place

(0020951)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-03-01 09:39
edited on: 2012-03-01 10:56

I've gotten this to happen even without them being killed - if I recruit a soldier at a castle, wander far enough away for its initial location to be offloaded (e.g. recruit a guy in the east battlements, then walk to the west battlements), then come back, he's still standing there (despite also being in my party) and will join me a second time.

Taking a look at the internal data structures, each unit appears to be linked to a distinct historical figure - thus, while they all have the same names, they are technically distinct clones of the original person.

(0021247)
malvado (reporter)
2012-03-07 19:32

Having this one as well, in 34.05
Good way to raise fighting skill and kills though.

(0021738)
Goton (reporter)
2012-03-26 06:26

This is still in 34.06, and I hate it A LOT.

(0021775)
NW_Kohaku (reporter)
2012-03-26 19:25

I can fast travel to a castle, hire the first swordsman I see, leave, fast travel one step out then back, re-enter the castle, and hire the exact same swordsman again. He's even in the same spot, and he has the same name, etc.

I have a party made entirely of 5 clones of the same guy.

Basically, when data about a given town/city/whatever tile gets saved about how things have changed since the generated data, character information except for historical characters does not get saved.

Humorously, corpses are saved, so you can have a character kill a bunch of villagers, then come back, and the villagers will be back and standing on top of their own dead bodies. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=105470.0 [^]

(0022957)
Goton (reporter)
2012-06-11 09:06

I have a save in 34.11 which has this bug. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6477 [^]

(0028204)
thvaz (reporter)
2014-08-03 02:56

I've played adventurer mode a lot and I haven't seen this happening. I think ti could be marked as fixed in 0.40.01.

(0028226)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-03 10:08

Please reopen this report or PM a manager on the forums if this problem is still present in 0.40.05+.

(0029007)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-08-13 19:28
edited on: 2014-08-13 20:12

I've found a duplication/respawn bug in 40.08 that is happening with Dark Towers. I've noticed it before, but I haven't intentionally attempted to replicate it until now.

The bug is shown in action here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9389 [^]

Steps:

1. kill the goblin there.

2. go behind the door and wait however long (I waited one hour)

3. go back in

4. kill the goblin, note that the corpses have the same name.

5. Rinse and repeat however many times you want. I made him respawn up to five times.

Not sure if it's all dead units or just some of them.

It might be related to 0007940 in that it has to do with bugs appearing when waiting/sleeping or offloading the site.

Edit: Not sure if dark pits are affected, haven't checked yet. Someone might want to check the forest retreats just to be sure.

Edit: I don't think it's happening with dark pits, but not 100% sure.

(0030209)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-09-15 19:17

smjjames posted another save at 0008301: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9709 [^]

(0030210)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-09-15 19:48

@footkerchief: ah yeah, I didn't think it was the same bug as this one, but ok.

(0030557)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-10-06 16:45
edited on: 2014-10-06 19:49

I've been observing some strangeness with companions sometimes disappearing and not returning after either going far enough from you or waiting/sleeping on goblin sites, but it's sporadic and sort of random. Also, I'm not sure whether it would count as this bug or not.

I think I've gotten a way to reproduce it, not entirely sure, going to try and get a save.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9870 [^]

Info is in the save posting.

Edit: it's definetly happening when you get too far away from them.

(0030564)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-10-07 09:42
edited on: 2014-10-07 12:25

Sorry for triple post here, but uh, I think it has just happened a few minutes ago in a 40.13 worldgen fort with an unconscious speardwarf who I accidentially made dodge into the stairwell (he lived, obviously), but it wasn't until I was giving my companions stuff that I realized he was missing.

Going to try to get this replicated.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9875 [^]

1. Wait or sleep however long. Doing fast travel and moving out of the fort also triggers the bug.

2. Observe that the companion number is now 10 and the axedwarf companion is missing. I used DFhack reveal and the companion is nowhere to be found in the site. It's like the companion vanished into thin air.

I did check with DFhack disabled and it still happens.

Toady One should look into this ASAP since it's a rather severe bug, almost to the point of gamebreaking.

Edit: ARG, I think it just happened again when I tried to move away and fast travel to rescue a drowning companion.

(0030586)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-10-09 13:23

Here's one in 40.13 of elven NPCs respawning in elven sites. Look at the two elven bowyers above my adventurer, and look at details on their names, now look at the corpses they are standing on.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9887 [^]

There may be others, but this is just the most obvious one that I can see.

(I'm posting this in both 0008334 and here since I don't know where I should put it)

(0030807)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-10-30 21:18

Oof, just lost an unconscious companion in 40.14 in a town when I tried to wait an hour to insta-heal her, probably teleported to wherever I found her or her home site is.

(0030947)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-11-10 10:36
edited on: 2014-11-10 10:37

Happened again in 40.15 in a dark tower when a companion went out of range and did not return or reappear. I have absolutely no idea where they teleported to, home probably.

(0033413)
Dwarfu (manager)
2015-12-04 21:18

Saves from 0008932:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=10789 [^]
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5482216/0008932%20bug%20confirmation.rar [^]

(0033416)
Dwarfu (manager)
2015-12-04 21:22

Save from 0006635:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8768 [^]

(0035262)
Dwarfu (manager)
2016-05-21 18:53

Save from 0009381:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11509 [^]

(0035263)
mrmagolor (reporter)
2016-05-21 19:20

Here's one for my bug: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12057 [^]

(0036988)
Robsoie (reporter)
2017-11-25 08:04

It is happening in 44.02 too

I had a companion npc named Molcet Tohwotog, he died in battle during an adventure.
After coming back to town the game just respawned him.

Saved game to check the legend mode , the character Molcet Tohwotog is listed twice (born same year) and the respawned version is the last on the historical figure list
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13221 [^]

In adventure mode, you can play as the character "Minaro Catanani" that had this Molcet Tohwotog as companion (in legend mode you can check that Molcet is listed twice too).

(0036990)
thvaz (reporter)
2017-11-25 09:35
edited on: 2017-11-25 09:35

This bug is so aggravating and it should have been fixed many versions ago.

(0036998)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2017-11-25 12:07

@Quietust, goblin sites are reported to have grossly exaggerated ahistorical populations 0007526 & as @smjjames validifies, very fast respawning of goblins & trolls. Exceeding way past the worldgen set limits that only apply to historical ones 0007547

Do these new clones supplant the marital status of the former historical figure? As younger clones of the same person inheriting existing families may be closer to their spouses age & able to produce more children for longer across their indefinite lifespan.

Goblins also murder each other in world-generation regularly so there would be a catalyst for replacing historical individuals on dark tower sites.

(0040321)
Huntthetroll (reporter)
2020-03-06 12:16

Still present in 47.04:

*started out as an adventuring party of two hearthpersons in a castle
*completed a quest
*returned home
*recruited a third hearthperson
*completed a second quest
*visited a town, where I ordered the third hearthperson to wait while the PCs went shopping
*finished shopping and rejoined the third hearthperson
*returned home again, and found a duplicate of the third hearthperson in the castle keep

The duplicate, unlike the original, was not marked as a companion, and furthermore moved independently of the original.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-02-15 01:05	EnigmaticHat	New Issue
2012-02-15 07:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019628
2012-02-15 17:13	EnigmaticHat	Note Added: 0019722
2012-02-15 17:17	Footkerchief	Summary	Enemies under towns "respawn" in same location. => Slain enemies under towns "respawn" in same location.
2012-02-16 00:51	DarkX2	Note Added: 0019752
2012-02-16 09:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005182
2012-02-16 09:42	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019808
2012-02-16 09:42	Footkerchief	Summary	Slain enemies under towns "respawn" in same location. => Slain bandits/companions respawn/duplicate in their original location
2012-02-17 09:54	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005162
2012-02-19 18:44	Logical2u	Relationship added	related to 0005320
2012-02-19 19:08	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0005320
2012-02-20 05:19	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005332
2012-02-24 10:22	mkiever	Issue Monitored: mkiever
2012-02-24 14:25	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005435
2012-02-29 00:35	Jiharo	Note Added: 0020897
2012-03-01 09:39	Quietust	Note Added: 0020951
2012-03-01 10:56	Quietust	Note Edited: 0020951	View Revisions
2012-03-07 19:32	malvado	Note Added: 0021247
2012-03-26 06:27	Goton	Note Added: 0021738
2012-03-26 19:25	NW_Kohaku	Note Added: 0021775
2012-04-13 12:44	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005557
2012-05-25 13:38	Mopsy	Issue Monitored: Mopsy
2012-06-11 09:06	Goton	Note Added: 0022957
2012-06-11 09:19	Footkerchief	Summary	Slain bandits/companions respawn/duplicate in their original location => Bandits/companions respawn/duplicate in their original location
2012-06-11 09:19	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Toady One
2013-12-15 08:10	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.34.12?
2014-01-03 10:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006400
2014-01-03 10:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006015
2014-01-26 10:15	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004702
2014-01-27 21:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003605
2014-01-29 10:40	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0003605
2014-07-07 22:23	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Fixed in 0.34.12? => Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-07-08 06:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006635
2014-07-09 07:16	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006792
2014-07-11 13:08	Toady One	Relationship deleted	related to 0006792
2014-07-15 06:16	mkiever	Issue End Monitor: mkiever
2014-08-03 02:56	thvaz	Note Added: 0028204
2014-08-03 10:08	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0028226
2014-08-03 10:08	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2014-08-03 10:08	Footkerchief	Fixed in Version	=> 0.40.01
2014-08-03 10:08	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-08-03 10:08	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2014-08-13 19:19	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Toady One => Footkerchief
2014-08-13 19:19	Footkerchief	Status	resolved => new
2014-08-13 19:28	smjjames	Note Added: 0029007
2014-08-13 19:29	smjjames	Note Edited: 0029007	View Revisions
2014-08-13 19:31	smjjames	Note Edited: 0029007	View Revisions
2014-08-13 20:12	smjjames	Note Edited: 0029007	View Revisions
2014-09-15 19:17	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008301
2014-09-15 19:17	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0030209
2014-09-15 19:17	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2014-09-15 19:17	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Fixed in 0.40.01?
2014-09-15 19:48	smjjames	Note Added: 0030210
2014-10-06 16:45	smjjames	Note Added: 0030557
2014-10-06 17:43	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030557	View Revisions
2014-10-06 18:18	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030557	View Revisions
2014-10-06 19:49	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030557	View Revisions
2014-10-07 09:42	smjjames	Note Added: 0030564
2014-10-07 09:53	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030564	View Revisions
2014-10-07 10:25	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030564	View Revisions
2014-10-07 12:25	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030564	View Revisions
2014-10-08 05:54	NekoHatsu	Issue Monitored: NekoHatsu
2014-10-09 13:23	smjjames	Note Added: 0030586
2014-10-27 19:10	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008334
2014-10-27 19:10	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008480
2014-10-30 21:18	smjjames	Note Added: 0030807
2014-10-31 12:57	lethosor	Fixed in Version	0.40.01 =>
2014-11-10 09:49	smjjames	Note Added: 0030944
2014-11-10 09:50	smjjames	Note Deleted: 0030944
2014-11-10 10:36	smjjames	Note Added: 0030947
2014-11-10 10:37	smjjames	Note Edited: 0030947	View Revisions
2015-12-03 20:53	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0009199
2015-12-04 20:32	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0008932
2015-12-04 20:44	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: Dwarfu
2015-12-04 21:17	Dwarfu	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0008932
2015-12-04 21:18	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0033413
2015-12-04 21:20	Dwarfu	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0009199
2015-12-04 21:22	Dwarfu	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0006635
2015-12-04 21:22	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0033416
2015-12-04 21:23	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0009133
2016-05-11 21:18	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009516
2016-05-21 18:52	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009381
2016-05-21 18:53	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009779
2016-05-21 18:53	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0035262
2016-05-21 19:20	mrmagolor	Note Added: 0035263
2016-08-07 19:13	Loci	Resolution	fixed => open
2017-03-10 15:54	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010159
2017-06-08 18:37	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2017-08-17 01:06	crowbeard	Issue Monitored: crowbeard
2017-11-25 08:04	Robsoie	Note Added: 0036988
2017-11-25 09:34	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2017-11-25 09:35	thvaz	Note Added: 0036990
2017-11-25 09:35	thvaz	Note Edited: 0036990	View Revisions
2017-11-25 12:07	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0036998
2018-01-28 16:01	Detros	Relationship added	related to 0010515
2020-03-06 12:16	Huntthetroll	Note Added: 0040321

Notes
(0019628) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-15 07:05	Reminder sent to: EnigmaticHat A save would be helpful for this one. http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0019722) EnigmaticHat (reporter) 2012-02-15 17:13	I have a save up: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5523 [^] I am now absolutely sure the bandits are respawning: I managed to produce three kobold spearman corpses in the same room with the same name.

(0019752) DarkX2 (reporter) 2012-02-16 00:51	I am also adding a save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5530 [^] To verify: 1. Have a look at my kills - you will note that I have killed some bandits twice. 2. Leave the dungeon (Southern door, Southern door, short floor, use the up/down stairs at end of floor to go up, next floor go south and then the stairs up, use south door, use west door, use stairs you are back in castle.) 3.Leave castle, fastravel one square away, return to castle) 4. Enter castle, enter the dungeon, go the way back 5. In the room with some stuff and statues, there should be a new bowman that is the same as one I have already killed (twice I think)

(0019808) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-16 09:42	Goton reports at 0005182 that this can also happen with slain companions.

(0020897) Jiharo (reporter) 2012-02-29 00:35	Yet another save for 34.04: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5739 [^] Slain companion "Smenre Jalewrarses" was re-recruited in the same place

(0020951) Quietust (reporter) 2012-03-01 09:39 edited on: 2012-03-01 10:56	I've gotten this to happen even without them being killed - if I recruit a soldier at a castle, wander far enough away for its initial location to be offloaded (e.g. recruit a guy in the east battlements, then walk to the west battlements), then come back, he's still standing there (despite also being in my party) and will join me a second time. Taking a look at the internal data structures, each unit appears to be linked to a distinct historical figure - thus, while they all have the same names, they are technically distinct clones of the original person.

(0021247) malvado (reporter) 2012-03-07 19:32	Having this one as well, in 34.05 Good way to raise fighting skill and kills though.

(0021738) Goton (reporter) 2012-03-26 06:26	This is still in 34.06, and I hate it A LOT.

(0021775) NW_Kohaku (reporter) 2012-03-26 19:25	I can fast travel to a castle, hire the first swordsman I see, leave, fast travel one step out then back, re-enter the castle, and hire the exact same swordsman again. He's even in the same spot, and he has the same name, etc. I have a party made entirely of 5 clones of the same guy. Basically, when data about a given town/city/whatever tile gets saved about how things have changed since the generated data, character information except for historical characters does not get saved. Humorously, corpses are saved, so you can have a character kill a bunch of villagers, then come back, and the villagers will be back and standing on top of their own dead bodies. http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=105470.0 [^]

(0022957) Goton (reporter) 2012-06-11 09:06	I have a save in 34.11 which has this bug. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6477 [^]

(0028204) thvaz (reporter) 2014-08-03 02:56	I've played adventurer mode a lot and I haven't seen this happening. I think ti could be marked as fixed in 0.40.01.

(0028226) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-03 10:08	Please reopen this report or PM a manager on the forums if this problem is still present in 0.40.05+.

(0029007) smjjames (reporter) 2014-08-13 19:28 edited on: 2014-08-13 20:12	I've found a duplication/respawn bug in 40.08 that is happening with Dark Towers. I've noticed it before, but I haven't intentionally attempted to replicate it until now. The bug is shown in action here: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9389 [^] Steps: 1. kill the goblin there. 2. go behind the door and wait however long (I waited one hour) 3. go back in 4. kill the goblin, note that the corpses have the same name. 5. Rinse and repeat however many times you want. I made him respawn up to five times. Not sure if it's all dead units or just some of them. It might be related to 0007940 in that it has to do with bugs appearing when waiting/sleeping or offloading the site. Edit: Not sure if dark pits are affected, haven't checked yet. Someone might want to check the forest retreats just to be sure. Edit: I don't think it's happening with dark pits, but not 100% sure.

(0030209) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-09-15 19:17	smjjames posted another save at 0008301: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9709 [^]

(0030210) smjjames (reporter) 2014-09-15 19:48	@footkerchief: ah yeah, I didn't think it was the same bug as this one, but ok.

(0030557) smjjames (reporter) 2014-10-06 16:45 edited on: 2014-10-06 19:49	I've been observing some strangeness with companions sometimes disappearing and not returning after either going far enough from you or waiting/sleeping on goblin sites, but it's sporadic and sort of random. Also, I'm not sure whether it would count as this bug or not. I think I've gotten a way to reproduce it, not entirely sure, going to try and get a save. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9870 [^] Info is in the save posting. Edit: it's definetly happening when you get too far away from them.

(0030564) smjjames (reporter) 2014-10-07 09:42 edited on: 2014-10-07 12:25	Sorry for triple post here, but uh, I think it has just happened a few minutes ago in a 40.13 worldgen fort with an unconscious speardwarf who I accidentially made dodge into the stairwell (he lived, obviously), but it wasn't until I was giving my companions stuff that I realized he was missing. Going to try to get this replicated. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9875 [^] 1. Wait or sleep however long. Doing fast travel and moving out of the fort also triggers the bug. 2. Observe that the companion number is now 10 and the axedwarf companion is missing. I used DFhack reveal and the companion is nowhere to be found in the site. It's like the companion vanished into thin air. I did check with DFhack disabled and it still happens. Toady One should look into this ASAP since it's a rather severe bug, almost to the point of gamebreaking. Edit: ARG, I think it just happened again when I tried to move away and fast travel to rescue a drowning companion.

(0030586) smjjames (reporter) 2014-10-09 13:23	Here's one in 40.13 of elven NPCs respawning in elven sites. Look at the two elven bowyers above my adventurer, and look at details on their names, now look at the corpses they are standing on. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9887 [^] There may be others, but this is just the most obvious one that I can see. (I'm posting this in both 0008334 and here since I don't know where I should put it)

(0030807) smjjames (reporter) 2014-10-30 21:18	Oof, just lost an unconscious companion in 40.14 in a town when I tried to wait an hour to insta-heal her, probably teleported to wherever I found her or her home site is.

(0030947) smjjames (reporter) 2014-11-10 10:36 edited on: 2014-11-10 10:37	Happened again in 40.15 in a dark tower when a companion went out of range and did not return or reappear. I have absolutely no idea where they teleported to, home probably.

(0033413) Dwarfu (manager) 2015-12-04 21:18	Saves from 0008932: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=10789 [^] https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5482216/0008932%20bug%20confirmation.rar [^]

(0033416) Dwarfu (manager) 2015-12-04 21:22	Save from 0006635: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8768 [^]

(0035262) Dwarfu (manager) 2016-05-21 18:53	Save from 0009381: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11509 [^]

(0035263) mrmagolor (reporter) 2016-05-21 19:20	Here's one for my bug: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12057 [^]

(0036988) Robsoie (reporter) 2017-11-25 08:04	It is happening in 44.02 too I had a companion npc named Molcet Tohwotog, he died in battle during an adventure. After coming back to town the game just respawned him. Saved game to check the legend mode , the character Molcet Tohwotog is listed twice (born same year) and the respawned version is the last on the historical figure list http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13221 [^] In adventure mode, you can play as the character "Minaro Catanani" that had this Molcet Tohwotog as companion (in legend mode you can check that Molcet is listed twice too).

(0036990) thvaz (reporter) 2017-11-25 09:35 edited on: 2017-11-25 09:35	This bug is so aggravating and it should have been fixed many versions ago.

(0036998) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2017-11-25 12:07	@Quietust, goblin sites are reported to have grossly exaggerated ahistorical populations 0007526 & as @smjjames validifies, very fast respawning of goblins & trolls. Exceeding way past the worldgen set limits that only apply to historical ones 0007547 Do these new clones supplant the marital status of the former historical figure? As younger clones of the same person inheriting existing families may be closer to their spouses age & able to produce more children for longer across their indefinite lifespan. Goblins also murder each other in world-generation regularly so there would be a catalyst for replacing historical individuals on dark tower sites.

(0040321) Huntthetroll (reporter) 2020-03-06 12:16	Still present in 47.04: started out as an adventuring party of two hearthpersons in a castle completed a quest returned home recruited a third hearthperson completed a second quest visited a town, where I ordered the third hearthperson to wait while the PCs went shopping finished shopping and rejoined the third hearthperson returned home again, and found a duplicate of the third hearthperson in the castle keep The duplicate, unlike the original, was not marked as a companion, and furthermore moved independently of the original.