0005299: If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive

(0020118)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-19 07:52

Reminder sent to: cyhawk

The save would be appreciated. You can upload to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0020132)
cyhawk (reporter)
2012-02-19 08:25

Thanks, uploaded as http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5606. [^]

(0020551)
timm (reporter)
2012-02-23 09:46
edited on: 2012-02-23 09:47

I can confirm this issue. All dwarves died except for a child, and upon immigration, no new nobles can be appointed.

Since there are hostiles left inside the fortress and I can't appoint a militia, it is impossible to continue playing.

(0022458)
Gruthar (reporter)
2012-05-08 19:16

Experiencing a similar bug, identical to issue # 0004871 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4871 [^]). Running v34.05. My Expedition Leader went melancholy as the last dwarf standing, and died shortly after the arrival of new migrants. No new leader was appointed, nor was a mayor elected after the fortress grew > 50.

It seems that if there is no eligible successor when a leader passes, it breaks the appointment system.

(0022930)
un_def (reporter)
2012-06-09 03:21

I experienced a similar problem in version 0.34.10

I uploaded my save to the DFFD.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=6459&f=region1+-+Copy.zip [^]

(0023334)
slam (reporter)
2012-07-23 16:32
edited on: 2012-07-23 16:33

I am having the exact same problem as Gruthar. A solo melancholy dwarf remained, new settlers arrived, and the melancholy dwarf died. Nobles screen is blank.

The one possible conflating factor for me is that I am on a map with a lot of undead activity. There may be some chances that one of my old nobles is now walking dead but I can't find him and put him to rest.

My surface has been overrun with 100-200 zombies for five years. I did notice some old dwarves resurrect and took new names when they did; constructing engraved slabs for them seemed to put them to rest.

(0024136)
Geaxle (reporter)
2013-09-23 22:15

Similar problem in 0.34.11

Lost 6 of the starting dwarf in an early tantrum spiral. The last survivor went crazy. Shortly after the first migration wave arrived and the crazy dwarf soon died. I was unable to appoint a new leader or any other noble. I waited another migration wave in case but the problem remained.

(0024396)
fu-fu (reporter)
2014-01-27 10:56

Similar/Same problem in 0.34.11 (linux)
Tryed playing freezing, made a 2x2 farm plot, as undead creatures and other fun came about and killed everyone but my hunter. Hunter brewd a drink, went made, then migrants. (And they all died except 1 who was brewing a drink at the time..)

Now the nobels screen is completly blank, cannot manage fortress.

Link to save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8369 [^]

(0031151)
yd12k (reporter)
2014-11-24 12:11

Same problem 0.40.16 (windows, using lazy newb pack)
Weremonitor killed my my fort except an infected child, migrants arrive, this bug.
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10124 [^]

(0034970)
Knight Otu (manager)
2016-04-03 02:46

In 0009639, MaryaClare said that at least in 0.42.06 a new mayor was elected after a time.

(0035679)
Loci (manager)
2016-07-22 22:08

v0.43.05: unbeliever536 posted a save in 0009934:

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12287 [^]

(0035682)
unbeliever536 (reporter)
2016-07-22 22:22

Playing the same save forward, a new expedition leader actually *was* appointed shortly after an annual autosave. Not sure exactly what's going on.

(0039151)
jaddle (reporter)
2019-01-25 13:14
edited on: 2019-01-25 16:32

Saw the same thing in 0.44.11 after a pesky werebeast epidemic. It seems to have fixed itself quickly though - I made a military shortly after getting some migrants (appointing the commander through the military screen, not the nobles screen). Next time I looked at the nobles screen, all was back to normal!

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-02-19 07:02	cyhawk	New Issue
2012-02-19 07:51	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000141
2012-02-19 07:52	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0020118
2012-02-19 08:25	cyhawk	Note Added: 0020132
2012-02-23 09:46	timm	Note Added: 0020551
2012-02-23 09:47	timm	Note Edited: 0020551	View Revisions
2012-02-23 10:36	Footkerchief	Summary	New expedition leader does not get elected => If fortress population drops to 1 child, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive
2012-03-08 11:02	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005579
2012-05-08 19:16	Gruthar	Note Added: 0022458
2012-05-14 08:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004871
2012-05-14 08:45	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005873
2012-05-16 09:14	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0005873
2012-06-01 06:31	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005975
2012-06-09 03:21	un_def	Note Added: 0022930
2012-07-23 02:15	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006122
2012-07-23 02:17	Knight Otu	Summary	If fortress population drops to 1 child, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive => If fortress population drops to 1 child or insane dwarf, can't appoint/elect nobles when migrants arrive
2012-07-23 16:32	slam	Note Added: 0023334
2012-07-23 16:33	slam	Note Edited: 0023334	View Revisions
2012-07-23 16:34	slam	Issue Monitored: slam
2013-09-23 22:15	Geaxle	Note Added: 0024136
2014-01-27 10:56	fu-fu	Note Added: 0024396
2014-07-12 12:11	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007146
2014-08-13 18:23	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007993
2014-08-13 18:23	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Therolt
2014-08-13 18:23	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-08-13 18:23	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2014-08-24 07:25	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008129
2014-11-24 12:11	yd12k	Note Added: 0031151
2014-12-20 13:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008644
2016-04-03 02:43	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009639
2016-04-03 02:46	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0034970
2016-07-22 22:07	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009934
2016-07-22 22:08	Loci	Note Added: 0035679
2016-07-22 22:22	unbeliever536	Note Added: 0035682
2018-06-17 13:35	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010791
2019-01-25 13:14	jaddle	Note Added: 0039151
2019-01-25 16:32	jaddle	Note Edited: 0039151	View Revisions

Notes
(0020118) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-19 07:52	Reminder sent to: cyhawk The save would be appreciated. You can upload to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0020132) cyhawk (reporter) 2012-02-19 08:25	Thanks, uploaded as http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5606. [^]

(0020551) timm (reporter) 2012-02-23 09:46 edited on: 2012-02-23 09:47	I can confirm this issue. All dwarves died except for a child, and upon immigration, no new nobles can be appointed. Since there are hostiles left inside the fortress and I can't appoint a militia, it is impossible to continue playing.

(0022458) Gruthar (reporter) 2012-05-08 19:16	Experiencing a similar bug, identical to issue # 0004871 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=4871 [^]). Running v34.05. My Expedition Leader went melancholy as the last dwarf standing, and died shortly after the arrival of new migrants. No new leader was appointed, nor was a mayor elected after the fortress grew > 50. It seems that if there is no eligible successor when a leader passes, it breaks the appointment system.

(0022930) un_def (reporter) 2012-06-09 03:21	I experienced a similar problem in version 0.34.10 I uploaded my save to the DFFD. http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=6459&f=region1+-+Copy.zip [^]

(0023334) slam (reporter) 2012-07-23 16:32 edited on: 2012-07-23 16:33	I am having the exact same problem as Gruthar. A solo melancholy dwarf remained, new settlers arrived, and the melancholy dwarf died. Nobles screen is blank. The one possible conflating factor for me is that I am on a map with a lot of undead activity. There may be some chances that one of my old nobles is now walking dead but I can't find him and put him to rest. My surface has been overrun with 100-200 zombies for five years. I did notice some old dwarves resurrect and took new names when they did; constructing engraved slabs for them seemed to put them to rest.

(0024136) Geaxle (reporter) 2013-09-23 22:15	Similar problem in 0.34.11 Lost 6 of the starting dwarf in an early tantrum spiral. The last survivor went crazy. Shortly after the first migration wave arrived and the crazy dwarf soon died. I was unable to appoint a new leader or any other noble. I waited another migration wave in case but the problem remained.

(0024396) fu-fu (reporter) 2014-01-27 10:56	Similar/Same problem in 0.34.11 (linux) Tryed playing freezing, made a 2x2 farm plot, as undead creatures and other fun came about and killed everyone but my hunter. Hunter brewd a drink, went made, then migrants. (And they all died except 1 who was brewing a drink at the time..) Now the nobels screen is completly blank, cannot manage fortress. Link to save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=8369 [^]

(0031151) yd12k (reporter) 2014-11-24 12:11	Same problem 0.40.16 (windows, using lazy newb pack) Weremonitor killed my my fort except an infected child, migrants arrive, this bug. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10124 [^]

(0034970) Knight Otu (manager) 2016-04-03 02:46	In 0009639, MaryaClare said that at least in 0.42.06 a new mayor was elected after a time.

(0035679) Loci (manager) 2016-07-22 22:08	v0.43.05: unbeliever536 posted a save in 0009934: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12287 [^]

(0035682) unbeliever536 (reporter) 2016-07-22 22:22	Playing the same save forward, a new expedition leader actually was appointed shortly after an annual autosave. Not sure exactly what's going on.

(0039151) jaddle (reporter) 2019-01-25 13:14 edited on: 2019-01-25 16:32	Saw the same thing in 0.44.11 after a pesky werebeast epidemic. It seems to have fixed itself quickly though - I made a military shortly after getting some migrants (appointing the commander through the military screen, not the nobles screen). Next time I looked at the nobles screen, all was back to normal!