0000791: Even with hauling labors off, dwarves continue to haul to trade depot and harvest food

(0002073)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-08 10:05

All types of hauling, or just some types?

(0002077)
HistoryLessens (reporter)
2010-04-08 10:17

I can remember seeing a farmer with only food hauling and burial enabled hauling stone crafts to the trade depot.

(0002119)
tigger89 (reporter)
2010-04-08 12:21

My dwarf with only food and furniture hauling enabled grabbed a pickaxe and got confused about what to do with it.

(0002138)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-08 13:21

Not a bug.

All dwarves participate in hauling stuff to the depot, and have for time out of mind. All dwarves will harvest plants from farms, unless you tell them not to in the orders menu by pressing [o][h]. Dwarves who drink booze they find lying around will then haul the barrel to a booze stockpile if one is available. All of these behaviors are the same as they've always been.

I've been playing the new version for a while and I haven't seen any weird hauling behavior like dwarves with no item hauling randomly picking up items and getting confused.

I wonder how dwarves who are restricted in a burrow which does not include the trade depot interact with that now...?

(0002191)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-08 16:34

Nukeitall, was there anything that wasn't accounted for by derigo's explanation above?

(0002906)
Nukeitall (reporter)
2010-04-11 17:03

Seems adequate - I suppose it would be nothing new.

(0002938)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-11 18:33

Alright, I'll close it then.

(0011678)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-08-09 17:52

Reopening just in case this is a bug.

(0011686)
Lord_Dakstar (reporter)
2010-08-10 00:23

Just because "they always have" doesn't mean this isn't a bug.

I have often wanted SOME of my dwarves to honor me turning off all hauling duties when moving goods to the Trade Depot. For instance--- the broker. Having the broker haul and haul and haul gets in the way of havin the broker trade. If you have some items that are a long way away, and you see that warning message "The merchants are leaving soon", the last thing you want to see is your broker do is drop their current load at the trade depot, and go back to hauling more goods.

And using the r (RemCur) in the Unit Manager screen really upsets a broker. They will then stand around for the better part of a month, if not a season, before deciding to do something.

(0011721)
hyndis (reporter)
2010-08-11 13:27

Some tasks are not linked to a labor. Moving things to a trade depot or pulling levers isn't attached to any labor, so those things cannot be turned on or off.

As for harvesting you can change it to allow all dwarves harvest or only farmers harvest in the orders menu. Default is all dwarves harvest, but I change it to farms only just out of my own personal preference.

(0016515)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-03-24 09:47

similar: 0003887

(0020574)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2012-02-23 16:23

They also "haul" animals to pastures or cages even with all hauling labors disabled.
There is "animal hauling" labor, and it should have use in such situations.

(0021916)
Kogut (reporter)
2012-03-30 07:22

@Rafal99 - it is reported as 0004072: Animal Hauling without job enabled

(0022913)
Kogut (reporter)
2012-06-08 06:56

still in 34.11

(0023134)
Zeg (reporter)
2012-07-01 07:01

I have my farmers with no hauling labours set, and 'only farmers harvest' on, but they harvest one/some of the crops before running all the way to the food stockpile to pick up a barrel, running back to fill it with the newly picked crops, and then back to the pile to drop the barrel off.

You could say that whole process is considered 'harvesting', but it's annoyingly inefficient.

(0023189)
Yossitaru (reporter)
2012-07-09 03:28

I can pretty much confirm that dwarves who have the hauling jobs disabled will haul everything, at least as of 34.11.
Due to a horribly over bloated supply of finished goods, everyone is so intent on collecting all the clothes and trinkets to fill up the space. It's been to the point where patients will die of dehydration because nobody wants to leave a sock on the floor to give the suffering fool some water.
They're even plenty happy to put the former patient into a coffin without the burial labor enabled.

(0023534)
UristMcDorf (reporter)
2012-09-06 18:38

Depot-hauling jobs can be cancelled by un-designating for trade anything still marked "pending". (or maybe, finding the item they're assigned to haul via viewing the job on the 'j'obs screen, and undesignating any matching still-pending items).

The farmer-barrel-hauling job is a result of the bin/barrel hauling rework. Frankly, while it's great to have a dwarf haul a barrel or bin to collect 10 things, it's rather inefficient (and really annoying) to have them run over and drag a barrel to store plants, then drag the barrel back, rather than simply pick up the one pig tail he's just harvested and carry it to the barrel.

I'm not sure of precisely where exactly the cut-off should be (2 items? 3?), but surely a container-storing job for a single item should haul the item to the container, rather than the container to the item (and back), especially if the container is a heavy weapons or armor bin.

(0026938)
Harmonica (reporter)
2014-07-19 04:04

Still a bug in DF 2014 (for the reasons in above comment).

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-08 06:37	Nukeitall	New Issue
2010-04-08 10:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002073
2010-04-08 10:05	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-08 10:17	HistoryLessens	Note Added: 0002077
2010-04-08 12:21	tigger89	Note Added: 0002119
2010-04-08 13:21	derigo	Note Added: 0002138
2010-04-08 13:45	Kennel	Tag Attached: hauling
2010-04-08 13:45	Kennel	Tag Attached: labors
2010-04-08 16:34	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002191
2010-04-11 15:47	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-04-11 17:03	Nukeitall	Note Added: 0002906
2010-04-11 18:33	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002938
2010-04-11 18:33	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2010-04-11 18:33	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2010-04-11 18:33	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2010-04-13 09:25	Footkerchief	Summary	Even with hauling labors off, dwarves continue to haul => Even with hauling labors off, dwarves continue to haul to trade depot and harvest food
2010-04-13 09:26	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001085
2010-05-17 18:14	Logical2u	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-05-17 18:14	Logical2u	Issue End Monitor: Footkerchief
2010-06-09 06:45	Toady One	Status	resolved => closed
2010-08-09 17:52	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Footkerchief =>
2010-08-09 17:52	Footkerchief	Status	closed => new
2010-08-09 17:52	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011678
2010-08-09 17:53	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002993
2010-08-09 17:53	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2010-08-10 00:23	Lord_Dakstar	Note Added: 0011686
2010-08-11 13:27	hyndis	Note Added: 0011721
2011-02-06 15:11	Dwarfu	Resolution	no change required => open
2011-03-24 09:47	Kogut	Note Added: 0016515
2011-03-24 10:02	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003887
2011-03-27 23:34	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004370
2011-03-28 01:21	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002560
2011-03-31 01:55	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2012-01-30 12:46	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-01-30 12:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004072
2012-01-30 12:47	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2012-02-23 16:23	Rafal99	Note Added: 0020574
2012-02-23 16:25	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2012-03-30 07:22	Kogut	Note Added: 0021916
2012-06-08 06:56	Kogut	Note Added: 0022913
2012-07-01 07:01	Zeg	Note Added: 0023134
2012-07-09 03:28	Yossitaru	Note Added: 0023189
2012-09-06 18:38	UristMcDorf	Note Added: 0023534
2012-09-08 12:14	arclance	Issue Monitored: arclance
2014-07-19 04:04	Harmonica	Note Added: 0026938
2014-07-19 04:04	Harmonica	Issue Monitored: Harmonica
2014-08-08 09:07	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-08-08 09:07	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2014-08-09 15:10	Toady One	Status	confirmed => resolved
2014-08-09 15:10	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2014-08-09 15:10	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2014-08-09 15:10	Toady One	Assigned To	Footkerchief => Toady One
2014-08-20 02:29	Rafal99	Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2014-08-21 15:49	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006125
2014-08-21 15:49	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: SirusEasyE
2014-09-12 22:25	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007718
2014-09-14 09:43	lethosor	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2014-12-25 22:20	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008665

Notes
(0002073) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-08 10:05	All types of hauling, or just some types?

(0002077) HistoryLessens (reporter) 2010-04-08 10:17	I can remember seeing a farmer with only food hauling and burial enabled hauling stone crafts to the trade depot.

(0002119) tigger89 (reporter) 2010-04-08 12:21	My dwarf with only food and furniture hauling enabled grabbed a pickaxe and got confused about what to do with it.

(0002138) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-08 13:21	Not a bug. All dwarves participate in hauling stuff to the depot, and have for time out of mind. All dwarves will harvest plants from farms, unless you tell them not to in the orders menu by pressing [o][h]. Dwarves who drink booze they find lying around will then haul the barrel to a booze stockpile if one is available. All of these behaviors are the same as they've always been. I've been playing the new version for a while and I haven't seen any weird hauling behavior like dwarves with no item hauling randomly picking up items and getting confused. I wonder how dwarves who are restricted in a burrow which does not include the trade depot interact with that now...?

(0002191) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-08 16:34	Nukeitall, was there anything that wasn't accounted for by derigo's explanation above?

(0002906) Nukeitall (reporter) 2010-04-11 17:03	Seems adequate - I suppose it would be nothing new.

(0002938) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-11 18:33	Alright, I'll close it then.

(0011678) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-08-09 17:52	Reopening just in case this is a bug.

(0011686) Lord_Dakstar (reporter) 2010-08-10 00:23	Just because "they always have" doesn't mean this isn't a bug. I have often wanted SOME of my dwarves to honor me turning off all hauling duties when moving goods to the Trade Depot. For instance--- the broker. Having the broker haul and haul and haul gets in the way of havin the broker trade. If you have some items that are a long way away, and you see that warning message "The merchants are leaving soon", the last thing you want to see is your broker do is drop their current load at the trade depot, and go back to hauling more goods. And using the r (RemCur) in the Unit Manager screen really upsets a broker. They will then stand around for the better part of a month, if not a season, before deciding to do something.

(0011721) hyndis (reporter) 2010-08-11 13:27	Some tasks are not linked to a labor. Moving things to a trade depot or pulling levers isn't attached to any labor, so those things cannot be turned on or off. As for harvesting you can change it to allow all dwarves harvest or only farmers harvest in the orders menu. Default is all dwarves harvest, but I change it to farms only just out of my own personal preference.

(0016515) Kogut (reporter) 2011-03-24 09:47	similar: 0003887

(0020574) Rafal99 (reporter) 2012-02-23 16:23	They also "haul" animals to pastures or cages even with all hauling labors disabled. There is "animal hauling" labor, and it should have use in such situations.

(0021916) Kogut (reporter) 2012-03-30 07:22	@Rafal99 - it is reported as 0004072: Animal Hauling without job enabled

(0022913) Kogut (reporter) 2012-06-08 06:56	still in 34.11

(0023134) Zeg (reporter) 2012-07-01 07:01	I have my farmers with no hauling labours set, and 'only farmers harvest' on, but they harvest one/some of the crops before running all the way to the food stockpile to pick up a barrel, running back to fill it with the newly picked crops, and then back to the pile to drop the barrel off. You could say that whole process is considered 'harvesting', but it's annoyingly inefficient.

(0023189) Yossitaru (reporter) 2012-07-09 03:28	I can pretty much confirm that dwarves who have the hauling jobs disabled will haul everything, at least as of 34.11. Due to a horribly over bloated supply of finished goods, everyone is so intent on collecting all the clothes and trinkets to fill up the space. It's been to the point where patients will die of dehydration because nobody wants to leave a sock on the floor to give the suffering fool some water. They're even plenty happy to put the former patient into a coffin without the burial labor enabled.

(0023534) UristMcDorf (reporter) 2012-09-06 18:38	Depot-hauling jobs can be cancelled by un-designating for trade anything still marked "pending". (or maybe, finding the item they're assigned to haul via viewing the job on the 'j'obs screen, and undesignating any matching still-pending items). The farmer-barrel-hauling job is a result of the bin/barrel hauling rework. Frankly, while it's great to have a dwarf haul a barrel or bin to collect 10 things, it's rather inefficient (and really annoying) to have them run over and drag a barrel to store plants, then drag the barrel back, rather than simply pick up the one pig tail he's just harvested and carry it to the barrel. I'm not sure of precisely where exactly the cut-off should be (2 items? 3?), but surely a container-storing job for a single item should haul the item to the container, rather than the container to the item (and back), especially if the container is a heavy weapons or armor bin.

(0026938) Harmonica (reporter) 2014-07-19 04:04	Still a bug in DF 2014 (for the reasons in above comment).