0009440: Wounded dwarves die of dehydration if they grab a goblet

(0034269)
Detros (manager)
2016-01-02 06:07

Sounds like a child of 0009403, "Tavern visitors served drinks equip mugs and don't consume contents".

(0034271)
surazal (reporter)
2016-01-02 09:32

Not sure if those are related. In my case, the dwarves are not visitors but fort citizens. They also grabbed the goblet from my stockpiles in both cases rather than the tavern. When they have the goblet in hand, they don't fill it but just stand there in the same spot in the stockpile until I forbid all goblets. Then they drop it and drink directly from the barrel (as do the rest of the dwarves since the forbidden status applies globally). They do sometimes "shuffle" a little bit by moving from one square to another, but for the most part they are stationary. The job they get stuck on is "drink" which never gets completed until they die of dehydration. The main connecting point for both my dwarves was that they were both recently wounded (one had her hand cut off while the other had a broken hip/leg from a collapsed ceiling) and were still in recovery mode.

(0034272)
Detros (manager)
2016-01-02 10:57

0009403 is not only about visitors, its original title was "dwarves always keep a mug / goblet in their hands"

Can you please upload your save (zipped region folder) to http://dffd.bay12games.com/ [^] and post a link to it here? And, just to clear those, in which version have you generated this world?, and, are you using any third party mods/tools or have you modified your raws in any way?

(0034276)
Dwarfu (manager)
2016-01-02 16:23

Reminder sent to: surazal

Please upload a save demonstrating the issue. Compress (.zip) your DF/data/save/region folder, upload it to http://dffd.bay12games.com, [^] and post a link to it here.

(0034320)
surazal (reporter)
2016-01-04 19:04

I'll get it uploaded tonight.

(0034322)
Hedede (reporter)
2016-01-05 00:09

Sounds similar to 0009239

(0034455)
Dwarfu (manager)
2016-01-18 02:02

Was this fixed as part of 0009403?

(0034486)
Shimrod (reporter)
2016-01-20 07:12

For what it's worth, I ran into this problem yesterday in 42.05 with a spearman who was severely mauled by a troll. Mind that this was a fort generated in 42.04, and that said troll managed to break both the spearman's wrists, causing him to completely lose the ability to grasp.

On the other hand, he WAS hauling a mug, and forbidding all mugs did cause him to stop hanging around the goods stockpile and go to the booze stockpile, where he quenched his thirst the old fashioned way.

(0034792)
surazal (reporter)
2016-03-05 07:26
edited on: 2016-03-05 07:27

I think I can confirm that the issue has been resolved as of 0.42.06. I have an injured dwarf in possession of a mug and drinking quite happily. So maybe it was that other issue that Detros mentioned (sorry it took so long to respond... I had deleted the old save game by accident and hadn't been able to try to reproduce the issue until now).

(0034813)
Loci (manager)
2016-03-08 18:56

v0.42.06: A dwarf with two injured arms (unable to grasp) somehow managed to pick up a goblet then stood frozen trying to figure out how to pour a drink. Forbidding the held goblet motivated the dwarf to pick up a different goblet then return to standing there. Forbidding all goblets caused the dwarf to finally drink straight from the barrel.

(0034994)
Witty (reporter)
2016-04-11 12:41

Definitely still present in 0.42.06. Just lost my legendary stonecrafter to dehydration - as he was standing frozen in the booze stockpile. He had gotten into a minor brawl with a cave crocodile earlier that had necessitated a hospital trip.

(0035378)
Toady One (administrator)
2016-06-08 13:32

I can't reproduce this in the upcoming 0.43.04, but it is possible the medical stuff I fixed recently is responsible. If it is still happening in 0.43.04, I'll need a save or I won't be able to address it.

(0035381)
Ratter (reporter)
2016-06-09 06:34

Still present in 43.03, at least. One of my human mercenaries lost the ability to both grasp and stand. She squirmed into the tavern, "hauled" herself a mug, then lay frozen in front of the booze stockpile until she eventually died of dehydration. I'd encountered this bug a few times in previous versions as well. Glad to hear it might be fixed!

(0035394)
soulsource (reporter)
2016-06-11 15:30

I've uploaded a save where a dwarf who cannot grasp is on his way to fetch a goblet, and will get stuck. It's a save copied to 0.43.03 from 0.43.01 (I think), but I hope it's still useful.
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12136 [^]

(0035584)
Narrrz (reporter)
2016-07-08 22:10

Bug or feature? if they permanently lose the ability to grasp, dwarves can do pretty much nothing. This culls them off.

(0035794)
Witty (reporter)
2016-08-18 10:29
edited on: 2016-08-20 15:43

Disregard

(0036047)
rhavviepoodle (reporter)
2016-11-11 13:06

I found this again in .43.05: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12557 [^]

The aggressor in question is a harpy (I did some raw tweaking to make them playable in this world), who functionally is a dwarf without arms. It shouldn't make a big difference, but she hasn't been bugged except for this particular issue.

(0036444)
Loci (manager)
2017-04-23 10:39

v0.43.05: latias1290 posted a save in 0010206:

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12855 [^]

(0038865)
PatrikLundell (reporter)
2018-10-09 09:50
edited on: 2018-10-11 01:54

I've gotten this on 0.44.12 as well. The injured dorf (somehow) grabs a goblet but fails to drink (both hand motor nerves severed). If the goblet is forbidden he moves to grab a new one. Forbidding all goblets (I don't have mugs, etc.) in the fortress allows him to drink (until the next time...). Strangely enough, while dorfs typically are eager to bring water to those who are just a bit thirsty, they don't do that to this dehydrated bugger, possibly because his current action is locked on "drink".
I've got a save, but doubt it will add anything, as I don't think anything has happened with this logic to invalidate the saves already available.

Edit: It seems a forbidden goblet in the inventory with no unforbidden goblets keeps the injured dorf in the failed drinking state. Forbidding the held goblet and then forbidding all the others only when the dorf has dropped it and is moving towards another goblet worked. I eventually conquered a site and sent the dorf there, however, rather than go through that hassle regularly.

(0039178)
Loci (manager)
2019-02-02 11:04

v0.44.12: The bookbinder Ineth is unable to drink if any goblets are available:

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14226 [^]

(0040475)
PatrikLundell (reporter)
2020-04-18 00:31

0.47.04: A new wrinkle on the issue. I had an injured dorf that lost the ability to grasp. I exiled him, but he just sat there, holding a mug for years. I somehow managed to take the mug from him (some dump/forbid fiddling), and he then shuffled away to grab another mug and sit on a barrel for a few years more. Using DFHack I reset the eat/sleep/drink timers and removed the DRINK2 job, and he's finally starting to shuffle towards the exit.

(0041360)
targetdrone (reporter)
2022-12-24 01:55

v50.04 got this issue as well... dwarf with a torn open wrist and inability to grasp grabs a goblet and stands around with the active job drinking and getting thirsty. only way to save her is forbidding all goblets whenever she needs to drink.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2016-01-01 21:53	surazal	New Issue
2016-01-02 06:07	Detros	Note Added: 0034269
2016-01-02 09:32	surazal	Note Added: 0034271
2016-01-02 10:57	Detros	Note Added: 0034272
2016-01-02 16:22	Dwarfu	Relationship added	child of 0009403
2016-01-02 16:22	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2016-01-02 16:22	Dwarfu	Status	new => needs feedback
2016-01-02 16:23	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0034276
2016-01-04 19:04	surazal	Note Added: 0034320
2016-01-04 19:04	surazal	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2016-01-05 00:09	Hedede	Note Added: 0034322
2016-01-06 00:42	Hedede	Issue Monitored: Hedede
2016-01-13 15:13	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0009403
2016-01-18 02:02	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0034455
2016-01-18 02:02	Dwarfu	Status	assigned => needs feedback
2016-01-20 07:12	Shimrod	Note Added: 0034486
2016-03-05 07:26	surazal	Note Added: 0034792
2016-03-05 07:26	surazal	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2016-03-05 07:27	surazal	Note Edited: 0034792	View Revisions
2016-03-08 18:56	Loci	Note Added: 0034813
2016-04-11 12:41	Witty	Note Added: 0034994
2016-05-08 17:18	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009239
2016-05-08 17:19	Dwarfu	Status	assigned => confirmed
2016-06-08 13:32	Toady One	Note Added: 0035378
2016-06-08 13:32	Toady One	Assigned To	Dwarfu => Toady One
2016-06-08 13:32	Toady One	Status	confirmed => needs feedback
2016-06-09 06:34	Ratter	Note Added: 0035381
2016-06-11 15:30	soulsource	Note Added: 0035394
2016-06-13 13:58	TheCrazyHamsteR	Issue Monitored: TheCrazyHamsteR
2016-07-08 22:10	Narrrz	Note Added: 0035584
2016-08-18 10:29	Witty	Note Added: 0035794
2016-08-18 10:40	Witty	Note Edited: 0035794	View Revisions
2016-08-19 13:54	Loci	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2016-08-20 15:27	Loci	Status	assigned => needs feedback
2016-08-20 15:43	Witty	Note Edited: 0035794	View Revisions
2016-11-10 18:00	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010070
2016-11-11 13:04	rhavviepoodle	Issue Monitored: rhavviepoodle
2016-11-11 13:04	rhavviepoodle	Issue End Monitor: rhavviepoodle
2016-11-11 13:04	rhavviepoodle	Issue Monitored: rhavviepoodle
2016-11-11 13:06	rhavviepoodle	Note Added: 0036047
2016-12-06 14:17	Loci	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2017-04-23 10:37	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010206
2017-04-23 10:39	Loci	Note Added: 0036444
2017-06-08 18:36	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2018-08-21 08:03	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010871
2018-10-09 09:50	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0038865
2018-10-11 01:54	PatrikLundell	Note Edited: 0038865	View Revisions
2019-02-02 11:04	Loci	Note Added: 0039178
2020-04-18 00:31	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0040475
2022-12-24 01:55	targetdrone	Note Added: 0041360

Notes
(0034269) Detros (manager) 2016-01-02 06:07	Sounds like a child of 0009403, "Tavern visitors served drinks equip mugs and don't consume contents".

(0034271) surazal (reporter) 2016-01-02 09:32	Not sure if those are related. In my case, the dwarves are not visitors but fort citizens. They also grabbed the goblet from my stockpiles in both cases rather than the tavern. When they have the goblet in hand, they don't fill it but just stand there in the same spot in the stockpile until I forbid all goblets. Then they drop it and drink directly from the barrel (as do the rest of the dwarves since the forbidden status applies globally). They do sometimes "shuffle" a little bit by moving from one square to another, but for the most part they are stationary. The job they get stuck on is "drink" which never gets completed until they die of dehydration. The main connecting point for both my dwarves was that they were both recently wounded (one had her hand cut off while the other had a broken hip/leg from a collapsed ceiling) and were still in recovery mode.

(0034272) Detros (manager) 2016-01-02 10:57	0009403 is not only about visitors, its original title was "dwarves always keep a mug / goblet in their hands" Can you please upload your save (zipped region folder) to http://dffd.bay12games.com/ [^] and post a link to it here? And, just to clear those, in which version have you generated this world?, and, are you using any third party mods/tools or have you modified your raws in any way?

(0034276) Dwarfu (manager) 2016-01-02 16:23	Reminder sent to: surazal Please upload a save demonstrating the issue. Compress (.zip) your DF/data/save/region folder, upload it to http://dffd.bay12games.com, [^] and post a link to it here.

(0034320) surazal (reporter) 2016-01-04 19:04	I'll get it uploaded tonight.

(0034322) Hedede (reporter) 2016-01-05 00:09	Sounds similar to 0009239

(0034455) Dwarfu (manager) 2016-01-18 02:02	Was this fixed as part of 0009403?

(0034486) Shimrod (reporter) 2016-01-20 07:12	For what it's worth, I ran into this problem yesterday in 42.05 with a spearman who was severely mauled by a troll. Mind that this was a fort generated in 42.04, and that said troll managed to break both the spearman's wrists, causing him to completely lose the ability to grasp. On the other hand, he WAS hauling a mug, and forbidding all mugs did cause him to stop hanging around the goods stockpile and go to the booze stockpile, where he quenched his thirst the old fashioned way.

(0034792) surazal (reporter) 2016-03-05 07:26 edited on: 2016-03-05 07:27	I think I can confirm that the issue has been resolved as of 0.42.06. I have an injured dwarf in possession of a mug and drinking quite happily. So maybe it was that other issue that Detros mentioned (sorry it took so long to respond... I had deleted the old save game by accident and hadn't been able to try to reproduce the issue until now).

(0034813) Loci (manager) 2016-03-08 18:56	v0.42.06: A dwarf with two injured arms (unable to grasp) somehow managed to pick up a goblet then stood frozen trying to figure out how to pour a drink. Forbidding the held goblet motivated the dwarf to pick up a different goblet then return to standing there. Forbidding all goblets caused the dwarf to finally drink straight from the barrel.

(0034994) Witty (reporter) 2016-04-11 12:41	Definitely still present in 0.42.06. Just lost my legendary stonecrafter to dehydration - as he was standing frozen in the booze stockpile. He had gotten into a minor brawl with a cave crocodile earlier that had necessitated a hospital trip.

(0035378) Toady One (administrator) 2016-06-08 13:32	I can't reproduce this in the upcoming 0.43.04, but it is possible the medical stuff I fixed recently is responsible. If it is still happening in 0.43.04, I'll need a save or I won't be able to address it.

(0035381) Ratter (reporter) 2016-06-09 06:34	Still present in 43.03, at least. One of my human mercenaries lost the ability to both grasp and stand. She squirmed into the tavern, "hauled" herself a mug, then lay frozen in front of the booze stockpile until she eventually died of dehydration. I'd encountered this bug a few times in previous versions as well. Glad to hear it might be fixed!

(0035394) soulsource (reporter) 2016-06-11 15:30	I've uploaded a save where a dwarf who cannot grasp is on his way to fetch a goblet, and will get stuck. It's a save copied to 0.43.03 from 0.43.01 (I think), but I hope it's still useful. http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12136 [^]

(0035584) Narrrz (reporter) 2016-07-08 22:10	Bug or feature? if they permanently lose the ability to grasp, dwarves can do pretty much nothing. This culls them off.

(0035794) Witty (reporter) 2016-08-18 10:29 edited on: 2016-08-20 15:43	Disregard

(0036047) rhavviepoodle (reporter) 2016-11-11 13:06	I found this again in .43.05: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12557 [^] The aggressor in question is a harpy (I did some raw tweaking to make them playable in this world), who functionally is a dwarf without arms. It shouldn't make a big difference, but she hasn't been bugged except for this particular issue.

(0036444) Loci (manager) 2017-04-23 10:39	v0.43.05: latias1290 posted a save in 0010206: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12855 [^]

(0038865) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2018-10-09 09:50 edited on: 2018-10-11 01:54	I've gotten this on 0.44.12 as well. The injured dorf (somehow) grabs a goblet but fails to drink (both hand motor nerves severed). If the goblet is forbidden he moves to grab a new one. Forbidding all goblets (I don't have mugs, etc.) in the fortress allows him to drink (until the next time...). Strangely enough, while dorfs typically are eager to bring water to those who are just a bit thirsty, they don't do that to this dehydrated bugger, possibly because his current action is locked on "drink". I've got a save, but doubt it will add anything, as I don't think anything has happened with this logic to invalidate the saves already available. Edit: It seems a forbidden goblet in the inventory with no unforbidden goblets keeps the injured dorf in the failed drinking state. Forbidding the held goblet and then forbidding all the others only when the dorf has dropped it and is moving towards another goblet worked. I eventually conquered a site and sent the dorf there, however, rather than go through that hassle regularly.

(0039178) Loci (manager) 2019-02-02 11:04	v0.44.12: The bookbinder Ineth is unable to drink if any goblets are available: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14226 [^]

(0040475) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2020-04-18 00:31	0.47.04: A new wrinkle on the issue. I had an injured dorf that lost the ability to grasp. I exiled him, but he just sat there, holding a mug for years. I somehow managed to take the mug from him (some dump/forbid fiddling), and he then shuffled away to grab another mug and sit on a barrel for a few years more. Using DFHack I reset the eat/sleep/drink timers and removed the DRINK2 job, and he's finally starting to shuffle towards the exit.

(0041360) targetdrone (reporter) 2022-12-24 01:55	v50.04 got this issue as well... dwarf with a torn open wrist and inability to grasp grabs a goblet and stands around with the active job drinking and getting thirsty. only way to save her is forbidding all goblets whenever she needs to drink.