0001172: Cage destroyed in ice, animals show up as "caged" instead of "deceased" on unit list

(0003582)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-04-14 17:21

This is probably related to the fact that deceased creatures never leave the unit list. Unless its changed since 40dX.

(0003583)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-14 17:30

Uh, well, the critters I dropped into magma in 31.03 (while they were in cages) successfully died and left the unit list, although that may be because they were wooden cages and they 'deleted' the goblins when they burst into flames.

My question is, are they shown as still "Caged" (that is, otherwise alive) in the unit list, in this bug?

(0003587)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-14 18:40

Hmm try digging the ice, maybe the cages are encased in it with animals still alive?

(0003615)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-14 20:47
edited on: 2010-04-14 20:48

Logical2u -- you had creatures die on your map and leave the unit list? That may well have been a bug.

But yeah, the important thing for this report is whether they show up as "Deceased" or not.

(0003622)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-14 22:16

Footkerchief - they were trapped in cages, and I dumped the cages into lava. Then they didn't show up among the goblins that died from other causes.

I abandoned that fortress so the unit list got cleared, but I'll try to get it to reproduce sometime.

(0003774)
ellindsey (reporter)
2010-04-15 17:40

Animals still show as 'caged' and not deceased on unit screen. I didn't try digging the ice out, but the river thawed in the spring and there didn't appear to be anything in the tile. Next winter I'll dig the tile out and see if there's anything there.

(0017427)
caldfir (reporter)
2011-04-18 11:30
edited on: 2011-04-18 11:33

this is still a problem in .25

I have around 10 goblins in cages that have frozen in a pond. They still show up on the units list, as well as all "restraint" assignment lists which is quite irritating to have to scroll past whenever I want to put a donkey in a cage or something.

Zooming to the creatures brings you to the place in the pond where the cages froze. Will try digging them out when I get a chance.

(0017429)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-04-18 13:36

Thawing ice does not reveal any items that were previously located there, but digging it out will.

If you actually destroy the cage (e.g. by atomsmashing it or throwing it in a chasm), then anything inside will be killed with the message "has died in a cage".

(0035680)
Loci (manager)
2016-07-22 22:15

Cages are not destroyed when encased in ice (or even obsidian). They may have become invisible (0000895), but they still existed and could have been recovered. The critters inside, meanwhile, weren't listed as deceased because they never died (0001599).

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-14 17:09	ellindsey	New Issue
2010-04-14 17:21	Cryten	Note Added: 0003582
2010-04-14 17:22	Cryten	Tag Attached: Cage
2010-04-14 17:22	Cryten	Tag Attached: animals
2010-04-14 17:30	Logical2u	Note Added: 0003583
2010-04-14 18:40	Rafal99	Note Added: 0003587
2010-04-14 20:47	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0003615
2010-04-14 20:48	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0003615	View Revisions
2010-04-14 22:16	Logical2u	Note Added: 0003622
2010-04-14 22:54	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-15 17:40	ellindsey	Note Added: 0003774
2010-04-15 17:42	Lac	Tag Attached: ice
2010-04-16 01:08	Footkerchief	Summary	Cage destroyed in ice, animal still show up on unit list => Cage destroyed in ice, animal show up as "caged" instead of "deceased" on unit list
2010-04-16 01:08	Footkerchief	Summary	Cage destroyed in ice, animal show up as "caged" instead of "deceased" on unit list => Cage destroyed in ice, animals show up as "caged" instead of "deceased" on unit list
2010-05-06 14:56	Footkerchief	Issue End Monitor: Footkerchief
2011-04-18 11:30	caldfir	Note Added: 0017427
2011-04-18 11:33	caldfir	Note Edited: 0017427	View Revisions
2011-04-18 13:36	Quietust	Note Added: 0017429
2012-02-20 00:08	Kogut	Tag Attached: cages
2014-01-26 09:56	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003083
2016-07-22 22:15	Loci	Note Added: 0035680
2016-07-22 22:15	Loci	Status	new => resolved
2016-07-22 22:15	Loci	Resolution	open => unable to reproduce
2016-07-22 22:15	Loci	Assigned To	=> Loci

Notes
(0003582) Cryten (reporter) 2010-04-14 17:21	This is probably related to the fact that deceased creatures never leave the unit list. Unless its changed since 40dX.

(0003583) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-14 17:30	Uh, well, the critters I dropped into magma in 31.03 (while they were in cages) successfully died and left the unit list, although that may be because they were wooden cages and they 'deleted' the goblins when they burst into flames. My question is, are they shown as still "Caged" (that is, otherwise alive) in the unit list, in this bug?

(0003587) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-14 18:40	Hmm try digging the ice, maybe the cages are encased in it with animals still alive?

(0003615) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-14 20:47 edited on: 2010-04-14 20:48	Logical2u -- you had creatures die on your map and leave the unit list? That may well have been a bug. But yeah, the important thing for this report is whether they show up as "Deceased" or not.

(0003622) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-14 22:16	Footkerchief - they were trapped in cages, and I dumped the cages into lava. Then they didn't show up among the goblins that died from other causes. I abandoned that fortress so the unit list got cleared, but I'll try to get it to reproduce sometime.

(0003774) ellindsey (reporter) 2010-04-15 17:40	Animals still show as 'caged' and not deceased on unit screen. I didn't try digging the ice out, but the river thawed in the spring and there didn't appear to be anything in the tile. Next winter I'll dig the tile out and see if there's anything there.

(0017427) caldfir (reporter) 2011-04-18 11:30 edited on: 2011-04-18 11:33	this is still a problem in .25 I have around 10 goblins in cages that have frozen in a pond. They still show up on the units list, as well as all "restraint" assignment lists which is quite irritating to have to scroll past whenever I want to put a donkey in a cage or something. Zooming to the creatures brings you to the place in the pond where the cages froze. Will try digging them out when I get a chance.

(0017429) Quietust (reporter) 2011-04-18 13:36	Thawing ice does not reveal any items that were previously located there, but digging it out will. If you actually destroy the cage (e.g. by atomsmashing it or throwing it in a chasm), then anything inside will be killed with the message "has died in a cage".

(0035680) Loci (manager) 2016-07-22 22:15	Cages are not destroyed when encased in ice (or even obsidian). They may have become invisible (0000895), but they still existed and could have been recovered. The critters inside, meanwhile, weren't listed as deceased because they never died (0001599).