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0001129Dwarf FortressCombat -- Generalpublic2010-04-13 23:162010-08-15 16:36
Reporterd64 
Assigned ToFootkerchief 
PrioritynormalSeverityminorReproducibilityalways
StatusresolvedResolutionduplicate 
PlatformOSWindows XPOS Version
Product Version0.31.01 
Target VersionFixed in Version 
Summary0001129: Combatants seldom blown backwards by hits
DescriptionIt seems that unlike previous versions, strikes do not cause their targets to be blown backwards. Everyone remembers that this was common in previous versions when fighting against powerful opponents.

Wrestling throws still do send dudes flying, though.
Steps To ReproduceGo to arena, make a human with a maul and high skill, try some fights - no-one is ever blown back by the hits.

On the other hand a BC will make wrestling throws with quite spectacular results.
Additional Information
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Relationships
duplicate of 0000344resolved Toady One Knockback/"propelled away by the force of the blow" only happens rarely (same with throwing creatures any distance) 
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Issue History
Date ModifiedUsernameFieldChange
2010-04-13 23:16d64New Issue
2010-04-14 00:29GReadNote Added: 0003422
2010-04-14 00:57PencilinHandNote Added: 0003424
2010-04-14 01:03PencilinHandNote Edited: 0003424bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0003424#r1133
2010-04-14 03:27d64Note Added: 0003439
2010-07-26 15:57d64Note Added: 0011111
2010-08-15 11:32toybasherNote Added: 0011810
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefNote Added: 0011818
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefRelationship addedduplicate of 0000344
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefStatusnew => resolved
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefResolutionopen => duplicate
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefAssigned To => Footkerchief
2010-08-15 16:36FootkerchiefNote Edited: 0011818bug_revision_view_page.php?bugnote_id=0011818#r4599

Notes
(0003422)
GRead   
2010-04-14 00:29   
I just did some tests in the arena, and I believe this is mostly working as intended, though there are clearly some tweaks that could be made.

Propelling of creatures is based on the weapon used to smack them. No matter how strong you are, you'll never propel a human with a war hammer or a maul. Strength also matters a bit. A mountain gnome with a maul does not propel groundhogs as far as a human with a maul does.

On the other hand, strength and size seem to cap out somewhere. A giant with a maul propels groundhogs about as far as a human with a maul, which is a bit silly, like the cricketer batting his cricket ball the same distance as tiger woods driving his golf ball. A human with a maul propels groundhogs farther than a giant with a war hammer, on account of the weapon.

So the system could probably use a few tweaks, but all in all I think it's working as intended, save of course for creatures abilities to survive the force that sent them 5-10 back while flying through the air. The materials and weapons rewrites are now interacting with bodies in a more realistic fashion, leading to a natural decline in ridiculous knock-back.
(0003424)
PencilinHand   
2010-04-14 00:57   
(edited on: 2010-04-14 01:03)
I have to agree. It really is working as intended by and large. Though, it does need some balance tweaking, there isn't any bug that I can see. Not to say it wouldn't be nice to be able to punt humanish sized creatures once in a while.


I suggest changing this to a tweak and/or adding it to the Eternal Suggestions Voting system.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/eternal_voting.php [^]
(must have and be logged into a forum account to work)
(0003439)
d64   
2010-04-14 03:27   
I tried also fighting against wolves with a bronze colossus, and a troll. The punches do a lot of damage but the victims only "tumble backwards" one step sometimes. I would imagine a colossus uppercut on a smaller than human target would be more spectacular.
(0011111)
d64   
2010-07-26 15:57   
Situation seems similar in 31.11.
(0011810)
toybasher   
2010-08-15 11:32   
Yes, I also tried, before in 40d I renember smacking other humans far away enough to explode as a human,

Now as a human with all "physical" stats such as strength and as a legendery wrestler I can only throw a fox one tile away. (What happened to the aspoldie wrestling action I loved in 40d?)
(0011818)
Footkerchief   
2010-08-15 16:36   
Not sure how it went unnoticed for this long, but this is a duplicate of 0000344. The differences from 40d are partly intentional (see 0000344:0009656).