0011133: Interrupted by visitors (Outpost Liaison included)

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(0039463) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2019-08-01 01:55	There are other bug reports of similar cases of sieges triggering visitor mayhem. Toady has fixed one such case, but given the reports, there is probably at least one additional cause. In the case I've looked at, it seemed to boil down to a single visitor starting the hostilities, after which everyone took sides. Note that the reason for why this individual started attacking is unknown. It may be that there was a similar trigger individual in this fortress as well, but the save is probably too late to track that one down.

(0039464) testingthingsout (reporter) 2019-08-01 13:45 edited on: 2019-08-01 16:40	Well, if it's helpful, I have a trigger for this to activate. I kept playing with this save, and I was setting up a kill room to train my Rocs. I have Goblins inside cages, and I release them so that my war rocs kill them. I noticed that when I do this, when I allow the Roc to kill the released Goblin, the visitors on my map turn hostile. I can upload this save so someone can look at it, if they like. The goblin being attacked by the Roc is happening far from view, deep underground, so I'm not sure how the visitors know about it. Edit: I can confirm that when the Roc kills the goblin, the human traders on the surface become hostile and kill my dwarves, here is the save to do so: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14488 [^] I repeat the same test later with the dwarven caravan, it turns them hostile. The lever to pull is on the fortress Z-Level with the rocs, giant wolves, and jaguars.

(0039465) PatrikLundell (reporter) 2019-08-02 01:25	I think that save would be useful, although Toady is probably the only one who can sort out what happens. I looked at the combat log, and the first entry there (at least in the sequence I got) was a human crossbowman attacking a dwarf. Looking at the crossbowman's thoughts (using a DFHack script) shows "She feels vengeful when joining an existing conflict", which supports the theory that this is some kind of loyalty cascade. Killing the non merchant visitors (with the DFHack script exterminate) did not prevent the conflict from starting.

(0039467) Loci (manager) 2019-08-03 11:29	Thank you for the save. Hopefully Toady One will be able to sort out what's causing these loyalty cascades.

(0040867) Toady One (administrator) 2021-01-22 15:24	This one was caused by the tame megabeasts.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2019-07-31 23:07	testingthingsout	New Issue
2019-08-01 01:55	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0039463
2019-08-01 13:45	testingthingsout	Note Added: 0039464
2019-08-01 14:11	testingthingsout	Note Edited: 0039464	View Revisions
2019-08-01 16:40	testingthingsout	Note Edited: 0039464	View Revisions
2019-08-02 01:25	PatrikLundell	Note Added: 0039465
2019-08-03 11:29	Loci	Note Added: 0039467
2019-08-03 11:29	Loci	Assigned To	=> Loci
2019-08-03 11:29	Loci	Status	new => acknowledged
2019-08-03 11:29	Loci	Relationship added	related to 0010870
2021-01-22 15:24	Toady One	Note Added: 0040867
2021-01-22 15:24	Toady One	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2021-01-22 15:24	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2021-01-22 15:24	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed