0001236: buckets contain lye and water, can't be used for anything

(0003849)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-16 08:44

Do you have barrels available for the lye?

The water buckets might be due to 0000971. Do you have defunct "Fill Pond" jobs queued up on the jobs screen?

(0003855)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 09:05
edited on: 2010-04-16 09:05

I have a furniture stockpile elsewhere in the fort, maybe 50 tiles away from the ashery, with about half a dozen empty barrels.

I have designated no ponds or pits of any kind in this fort.

(0003858)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-16 09:11

Do you have a stockpile that would accept barrels full of lye?

(0003860)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 09:19
edited on: 2010-04-16 09:22

Yes. It's right near the ashery, and it's got some barrels with lye. Newly produced lye goes into barrels there, and gets used to make soap.

It's possible, however, that at the time these lye-and-water buckets were filled, there were no empty barrels in the fort. I often run out, since I frequently tell the brewer to keep brewing until he runs out of materials, and he always runs out of barrels before he runs out of plants.

(0003863)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-16 09:52

Huh. Okay, as long as there aren't any burrow restrictions that would keep them from emptying the lye buckets, you should probably upload the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0003883)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 12:12

I don't imagine there are any burrow restrictions in play. I've only got two defined at the moment, no dwarves are assigned to either, and my fort is on an alert where no burrows are activated.

Can you tell me how to package a save for upload? I'm not sure which files are the important ones.

(0003884)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-16 12:29

In DF's /data/save directory, there should be one or more folders with names like "region1". Each of these represents a world and the current saved game in it. Zip that folder up (instructions here http://condor.depaul.edu/~slytinen/instructions/zip.html [^]) and upload the zip file.

(0003886)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 12:46

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2124 [^]

(0003887)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 12:50
edited on: 2010-04-16 12:51

For what it's worth, that save exhibits a number of other bugs as well. It's got two mayors. The hospital contains numerous examples of dwarves who consume endless procedures with no benefit, and there's a baby wandering around alone that's going to die of thirst in a minute or two.

Also, if I play normally, it crashes in a few minutes. I'm not sure which of my actions is causing the crash. I'm trying to isolate that now.

(0003942)
Jumpp (reporter)
2010-04-16 22:29

Have isolated the crash, and reported it as http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1264 [^]

(0011682)
Lord_Dakstar (reporter)
2010-08-09 19:56

I've just come across the bucket with mix of water and lye in them under 0.31.12. I discovered it while trying to get a bucket or two full of water for my bone doctor who wants to make a cast. The bug where lye and water are being mixed in a bucket are still occuring as of 31.12. I'll try checking up on them, and see if they get used to fill a small outdoor pond (that I only designated filled to get water for the cast making), or used to water patients.

(0012333)
kwieland (reporter)
2010-09-02 04:20

I have noticed that buckets with water in them do not get stockpiled in a normal furniture stockpile (where the other buckets are) or in a food stockpile (where the booze is). Has anyone found a way to have them stored somewhere? I've got 4-6 just cluttering things.

(0012371)
Shimrod (reporter)
2010-09-03 01:38

Hyndis gives a workaround here:

http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3066 [^]

You'll lose the contents though.

(0012851)
troas (reporter)
2010-09-20 19:43

Another possible workaround for cool climates - dump the buckets outside, wait for the freeze. Unforbid the bucket and Dump the ice from the buckets. Wait for the spring thaw.

(0012853)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-09-20 20:55
edited on: 2010-09-21 14:52

troas: technically, that will work, though it'll cause both the water and the lye to freeze (since they both have a melting point of 10000 and a specific heat of 4181), but that should be okay since you can just dump out the ice and then bring the buckets back inside to melt the lye.

(0016487)
RossM (reporter)
2011-03-22 21:08

Still broken in 31.21.

(0016494)
hyndis (reporter)
2011-03-23 09:00

If the bucket is made of iron you can drop it into magma, then drain away the magma. It will boil away the contents of the bucket and you can then reuse the bucket once the magma evaporates away.

Alternatively, have 1 pond zone going at all times. Dwarves will pick up buckets, fill them from the well, and then empty the buckets into the pond zone. This will eliminate the partially filled buckets randomly scattered about the fortress. The emptied buckets will be stored in the furniture stockpile. Filled buckets seem to not go into any stockpile.

(0016495)
Malibu Stacey (reporter)
2011-03-23 09:22

Pond zone seems a good workaround. I tend to have a furniture stockpile which only accepts buckets near my well so forbidding them should get the dwarves to use the non-empty ones to fill the pond zone which should then become empty.

(0016502)
RossM (reporter)
2011-03-23 15:16
edited on: 2011-03-23 15:18

Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye.

(0016994)
troas (reporter)
2011-04-02 20:01
edited on: 2011-04-02 20:02

still broken in 31.25 - buckets used for create lye should be emptied when they are selected for use (related to 0001324).

(0017191)
kwieland (reporter)
2011-04-08 00:57

No luck just requesting the buckets hauled to the depot. Like RossM said, maybe you have to forbid the water first.

(0017192)
SocietalEclipse (reporter)
2011-04-08 03:10

"Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye."

This doesn't work for me. Forbidding the water and hauling the buckets to the Trade Depot results in both A) buckets still with Lye and {Stagnant Water} and B) buckets that were emptied of all contents.

(0017239)
kwieland (reporter)
2011-04-09 09:51

I noticed the same thing, SocietalEclipse. I ordered some Gnomeblight barrels brought to the depot and the barrels ended up at the depot, but empty! I didn't search for this bug, but it should be around.

(0017896)
Cespinarve (reporter)
2011-05-29 12:44

This issue persists, and it also includes buckets that contain "water laced with salt", as well as stagnant.

(0018211)
Beeskee (reporter)
2011-07-12 11:25

Still happening for me too, example save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4648 [^]

(0018447)
slitherrr (reporter)
2011-08-07 08:47

In real life, water mixed with lye becomes slightly saline water (depending on just how much lye) after a small amount of time. Just a random factoid injection.

(0021676)
Buglist (reporter)
2012-03-23 07:49

root cause (0001324) was fixed, so this bug is probably also fixed

(0021677)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-03-23 08:30

Sounds legit.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-16 08:35	Jumpp	New Issue
2010-04-16 08:44	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0003849
2010-04-16 08:48	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-16 09:01	Kennel	Tag Attached: buckets
2010-04-16 09:01	Kennel	Tag Attached: water
2010-04-16 09:01	Kennel	Tag Attached: lye
2010-04-16 09:05	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003855
2010-04-16 09:05	Jumpp	Note Edited: 0003855	View Revisions
2010-04-16 09:11	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0003858
2010-04-16 09:19	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003860
2010-04-16 09:22	Jumpp	Note Edited: 0003860	View Revisions
2010-04-16 09:52	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0003863
2010-04-16 12:12	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003883
2010-04-16 12:29	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0003884
2010-04-16 12:46	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003886
2010-04-16 12:50	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003887
2010-04-16 12:51	Jumpp	Note Edited: 0003887	View Revisions
2010-04-16 22:29	Jumpp	Note Added: 0003942
2010-04-22 15:33	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001324
2010-08-02 14:10	aleander	Issue Monitored: aleander
2010-08-09 19:56	Lord_Dakstar	Note Added: 0011682
2010-09-01 23:21	Beeskee	Issue Monitored: Beeskee
2010-09-02 04:20	kwieland	Note Added: 0012333
2010-09-03 01:38	Shimrod	Note Added: 0012371
2010-09-20 19:43	troas	Note Added: 0012851
2010-09-20 20:55	Quietust	Note Added: 0012853
2010-09-21 14:52	Quietust	Note Edited: 0012853	View Revisions
2010-09-21 14:52	Quietust	Note Edited: 0012853	View Revisions
2010-11-26 15:21	Coaldiamond	Tag Attached: injured foot
2010-11-26 17:21	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: injured foot
2011-03-12 08:05	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003066
2011-03-12 08:05	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: reddit
2011-03-17 07:47	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001570
2011-03-22 21:08	RossM	Note Added: 0016487
2011-03-22 21:08	RossM	Issue Monitored: RossM
2011-03-22 22:24	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2011-03-23 09:00	hyndis	Note Added: 0016494
2011-03-23 09:22	Malibu Stacey	Note Added: 0016495
2011-03-23 15:16	RossM	Note Added: 0016502
2011-03-23 15:18	RossM	Note Edited: 0016502	View Revisions
2011-03-28 02:31	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004371
2011-04-02 20:01	troas	Note Added: 0016994
2011-04-02 20:02	troas	Note Edited: 0016994	View Revisions
2011-04-08 00:57	kwieland	Note Added: 0017191
2011-04-08 03:10	SocietalEclipse	Note Added: 0017192
2011-04-09 09:51	kwieland	Note Added: 0017239
2011-05-29 12:44	Cespinarve	Note Added: 0017896
2011-06-05 09:23	Kon	Issue Monitored: Kon
2011-07-12 11:25	Beeskee	Note Added: 0018211
2011-07-22 17:06	Vherid	Issue Monitored: Vherid
2011-08-07 08:47	slitherrr	Note Added: 0018447
2011-09-03 08:28	salajander	Issue Monitored: salajander
2011-10-22 12:38	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2012-02-26 11:47	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-03-23 07:49	Buglist	Note Added: 0021676
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	duplicate of 0001324
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021677
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => duplicate
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2012-03-23 08:30	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0003066
2012-03-24 08:29	Kogut	Issue End Monitor: Kogut
2012-03-28 07:59	Buglist	Issue End Monitor: Buglist
2014-07-29 15:30	Vherid	Issue End Monitor: Vherid
2014-08-13 05:10	Kon	Issue End Monitor: Kon

Notes
(0003849) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-16 08:44	Do you have barrels available for the lye? The water buckets might be due to 0000971. Do you have defunct "Fill Pond" jobs queued up on the jobs screen?

(0003855) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 09:05 edited on: 2010-04-16 09:05	I have a furniture stockpile elsewhere in the fort, maybe 50 tiles away from the ashery, with about half a dozen empty barrels. I have designated no ponds or pits of any kind in this fort.

(0003858) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-16 09:11	Do you have a stockpile that would accept barrels full of lye?

(0003860) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 09:19 edited on: 2010-04-16 09:22	Yes. It's right near the ashery, and it's got some barrels with lye. Newly produced lye goes into barrels there, and gets used to make soap. It's possible, however, that at the time these lye-and-water buckets were filled, there were no empty barrels in the fort. I often run out, since I frequently tell the brewer to keep brewing until he runs out of materials, and he always runs out of barrels before he runs out of plants.

(0003863) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-16 09:52	Huh. Okay, as long as there aren't any burrow restrictions that would keep them from emptying the lye buckets, you should probably upload the save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0003883) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 12:12	I don't imagine there are any burrow restrictions in play. I've only got two defined at the moment, no dwarves are assigned to either, and my fort is on an alert where no burrows are activated. Can you tell me how to package a save for upload? I'm not sure which files are the important ones.

(0003884) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-16 12:29	In DF's /data/save directory, there should be one or more folders with names like "region1". Each of these represents a world and the current saved game in it. Zip that folder up (instructions here http://condor.depaul.edu/~slytinen/instructions/zip.html [^]) and upload the zip file.

(0003886) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 12:46	http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2124 [^]

(0003887) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 12:50 edited on: 2010-04-16 12:51	For what it's worth, that save exhibits a number of other bugs as well. It's got two mayors. The hospital contains numerous examples of dwarves who consume endless procedures with no benefit, and there's a baby wandering around alone that's going to die of thirst in a minute or two. Also, if I play normally, it crashes in a few minutes. I'm not sure which of my actions is causing the crash. I'm trying to isolate that now.

(0003942) Jumpp (reporter) 2010-04-16 22:29	Have isolated the crash, and reported it as http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=1264 [^]

(0011682) Lord_Dakstar (reporter) 2010-08-09 19:56	I've just come across the bucket with mix of water and lye in them under 0.31.12. I discovered it while trying to get a bucket or two full of water for my bone doctor who wants to make a cast. The bug where lye and water are being mixed in a bucket are still occuring as of 31.12. I'll try checking up on them, and see if they get used to fill a small outdoor pond (that I only designated filled to get water for the cast making), or used to water patients.

(0012333) kwieland (reporter) 2010-09-02 04:20	I have noticed that buckets with water in them do not get stockpiled in a normal furniture stockpile (where the other buckets are) or in a food stockpile (where the booze is). Has anyone found a way to have them stored somewhere? I've got 4-6 just cluttering things.

(0012371) Shimrod (reporter) 2010-09-03 01:38	Hyndis gives a workaround here: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3066 [^] You'll lose the contents though.

(0012851) troas (reporter) 2010-09-20 19:43	Another possible workaround for cool climates - dump the buckets outside, wait for the freeze. Unforbid the bucket and Dump the ice from the buckets. Wait for the spring thaw.

(0012853) Quietust (reporter) 2010-09-20 20:55 edited on: 2010-09-21 14:52	troas: technically, that will work, though it'll cause both the water and the lye to freeze (since they both have a melting point of 10000 and a specific heat of 4181), but that should be okay since you can just dump out the ice and then bring the buckets back inside to melt the lye.

(0016487) RossM (reporter) 2011-03-22 21:08	Still broken in 31.21.

(0016494) hyndis (reporter) 2011-03-23 09:00	If the bucket is made of iron you can drop it into magma, then drain away the magma. It will boil away the contents of the bucket and you can then reuse the bucket once the magma evaporates away. Alternatively, have 1 pond zone going at all times. Dwarves will pick up buckets, fill them from the well, and then empty the buckets into the pond zone. This will eliminate the partially filled buckets randomly scattered about the fortress. The emptied buckets will be stored in the furniture stockpile. Filled buckets seem to not go into any stockpile.

(0016495) Malibu Stacey (reporter) 2011-03-23 09:22	Pond zone seems a good workaround. I tend to have a furniture stockpile which only accepts buckets near my well so forbidding them should get the dwarves to use the non-empty ones to fill the pond zone which should then become empty.

(0016502) RossM (reporter) 2011-03-23 15:16 edited on: 2011-03-23 15:18	Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye.

(0016994) troas (reporter) 2011-04-02 20:01 edited on: 2011-04-02 20:02	still broken in 31.25 - buckets used for create lye should be emptied when they are selected for use (related to 0001324).

(0017191) kwieland (reporter) 2011-04-08 00:57	No luck just requesting the buckets hauled to the depot. Like RossM said, maybe you have to forbid the water first.

(0017192) SocietalEclipse (reporter) 2011-04-08 03:10	"Forbidding the water and hauling the bucket to the trade depot worked for me. I now have buckets with just lye." This doesn't work for me. Forbidding the water and hauling the buckets to the Trade Depot results in both A) buckets still with Lye and {Stagnant Water} and B) buckets that were emptied of all contents.

(0017239) kwieland (reporter) 2011-04-09 09:51	I noticed the same thing, SocietalEclipse. I ordered some Gnomeblight barrels brought to the depot and the barrels ended up at the depot, but empty! I didn't search for this bug, but it should be around.

(0017896) Cespinarve (reporter) 2011-05-29 12:44	This issue persists, and it also includes buckets that contain "water laced with salt", as well as stagnant.

(0018211) Beeskee (reporter) 2011-07-12 11:25	Still happening for me too, example save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4648 [^]

(0018447) slitherrr (reporter) 2011-08-07 08:47	In real life, water mixed with lye becomes slightly saline water (depending on just how much lye) after a small amount of time. Just a random factoid injection.

(0021676) Buglist (reporter) 2012-03-23 07:49	root cause (0001324) was fixed, so this bug is probably also fixed

(0021677) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-23 08:30	Sounds legit.