0001534: Broken/mangled limbs/joints can still be used for walking, attacking, flying

(0005035)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-25 14:11

There was something similar where I played as some large humanoid in the arena (BC maybe? don't remember exactly) and I was messing around with some other critter with wrestling moves, I broke (red wounds) both hips, both knees, and both ankles and the critter could still walk. I wondered how the heck it would be able to walk in that condition.

For reproduceability, you should be able to reproduce it in the arena.

(0005803)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-30 22:43

This is a general problem with breaks/fractures/shatters of limbs/joints -- they don't impair functionality at all.

(0005866)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-05-01 17:28

Paralysis still works though, I had a hydra in arena which broke its lower back and lost use of its lower legs, even in wrestling.

(0007040)
jgoodwin (reporter)
2010-05-19 23:12

Also applies to goblins. I dropped a dozen goblins 10 z-levels and had one survive the fall with one leg broken both upper and lower and the other leg broken upper, and he was still walking around the LZ (in between passing out). Other broken bones included left lower arm, left upper arm, right shoulder and right floating rib.

This totally beat up goblin was also interrupting tasks of dwarves on the other side of solid walls, but that's probably by-design.

(0011012)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-25 14:22

Reminder sent to: jgoodwin, smjjames, toybasher

Does this still occur in 31.12?

(0011357)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-08-01 11:30

Not sure, but I have a feeling it would, all that was changed in the update was adding disembowlment and fixing some artery bugs.

I think it would be EXTREMELY easy to test, just start up arena and spawn two humans and controll one and snap the other ones joints (This can also demonstrate how joint snaps cause WAAAAYYY too much pain as the other human will pass out about 9 times from a broken ankle, yet a severed finger will be "less painful)

(0011369)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-08-01 13:21

Not sure, but I have a feeling it would, all that was changed in the update was adding disembowlment and fixing some artery bugs.

Nope, it was a lot more than that. This is your report, so please test it out.

(0011370)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-08-01 13:28

I actually tested for this one and forgot about it. Other than joint lock and breaks creating ALOT of bleeding, when done by an ogre at least, I was able to break all the leg joints and they were still walking (as in not prone). I wasn't able to break all the joints as my victims would bleed to death before then, and I was doing it against other Ogres, I think.

(0011371)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-08-01 13:56

Alright, thanks.

(0014414)
toybasher (reporter)
2010-12-05 13:08

Seems to be fixed...I think.

I wouldn't close this just yet however. it seems injured legs never cause any slowing, only "Able to stand: Yes/NO" type of thing, you either can stand perfectly or be unable to stand, you should be slowed from leg injuries like toady said but i never see this happening

(0015068)
Mercurio (reporter)
2011-02-09 05:17
edited on: 2011-02-09 05:22

I just played around with wrestling in adv-mode and the joint-lock-break-moves apparently don't impair any functionality of the broken part . Broken wrists or shoulders don't make an enemy lose the ability to grasp and broken knees, ankles or hips are perfectly fine for running around.

They seem to only fall down if they faint because of too much pain.

(0015747)
Infiltrator (reporter)
2011-03-05 03:38

I've got a goblin thief here running at full speed with a torn calf muscle.

You try even walking with even a pulled calf and you'll see that it isn't going to happen; whereas this goblin is outrunning my healthy dwarves.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3898 [^]

(0020775)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2012-02-26 17:58

In 0.34.02 adventure mode, I broke the bones in the wing of an falcon, but it could still fly, so this bug is still present.

(0020950)
Xotano (reporter)
2012-03-01 09:16

they still work in my game, well kinda, if i break something's leg it hits the ground, it can still wrestle with the leg and kick me but it cant stand, same goes for breakin an arm, they drop the stuff they had instantly.

(0030081)
Loci (manager)
2014-09-10 06:54

v0.40.11: A giant mosquito had one of its wings severed following a minecart collision, then proceeded to get up and fly away, leaving its wing behind.

(0030082)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-09-10 07:02

Loci: does that still happen with both wings severed?

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-25 14:03	toybasher	New Issue
2010-04-25 14:11	smjjames	Note Added: 0005035
2010-04-25 14:13	smjjames	Tag Attached: limb breaks
2010-04-25 14:13	smjjames	Tag Attached: Movement
2010-04-25 14:13	smjjames	Tag Attached: wound
2010-04-25 14:13	smjjames	Tag Attached: wrestling
2010-04-26 11:32	toybasher	Tag Attached: tendon
2010-04-26 11:35	toybasher	Tag Attached: bone
2010-04-30 22:41	Footkerchief	Summary	Adventurer is still able to walk with a broken knee => Broken limbs/joints can still be used for walking, attacking
2010-04-30 22:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000033
2010-04-30 22:43	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0005803
2010-05-01 17:28	smjjames	Note Added: 0005866
2010-05-19 23:12	jgoodwin	Note Added: 0007040
2010-05-19 23:12	jgoodwin	Issue Monitored: jgoodwin
2010-06-18 07:35	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002367
2010-06-18 07:35	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	parent of 0002367
2010-06-18 07:46	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-07-25 14:20	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0002367
2010-07-25 14:22	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: smjjames
2010-07-25 14:22	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011012
2010-07-25 14:23	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-07-26 04:01	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002844
2010-07-26 04:01	Logical2u	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0002844
2010-08-01 11:30	toybasher	Note Added: 0011357
2010-08-01 13:21	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011369
2010-08-01 13:28	smjjames	Note Added: 0011370
2010-08-01 13:56	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011371
2010-08-01 13:57	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-11-16 18:52	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003645
2010-12-03 10:54	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000978
2010-12-05 13:08	toybasher	Note Added: 0014414
2011-02-09 05:17	Mercurio	Note Added: 0015068
2011-02-09 05:22	Mercurio	Note Edited: 0015068	View Revisions
2011-03-05 03:38	Infiltrator	Note Added: 0015747
2011-03-05 04:40	Infiltrator	Issue Monitored: Infiltrator
2011-03-06 14:07	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003890
2011-03-06 14:07	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003925
2011-03-21 02:29	Another	Issue Monitored: Another
2011-03-21 02:30	Another	Tag Attached: body parts
2011-04-01 13:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000659
2012-02-26 17:58	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0020775
2012-03-01 09:16	Xotano	Note Added: 0020950
2014-07-09 17:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006891
2014-07-11 06:52	Footkerchief	Summary	Broken limbs/joints can still be used for walking, attacking => Broken/mangled limbs/joints can still be used for walking, attacking, flying
2014-07-11 06:52	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007037
2014-07-13 12:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007225
2014-07-14 14:04	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007240
2014-07-29 13:07	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0000033
2014-08-04 08:34	smjjames	Issue End Monitor: smjjames
2014-09-10 06:54	Loci	Note Added: 0030081
2014-09-10 07:02	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0030082
2014-10-30 19:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006854
2018-03-13 10:34	Loci	Relationship added	parent of 0010614

Notes
(0005035) smjjames (reporter) 2010-04-25 14:11	There was something similar where I played as some large humanoid in the arena (BC maybe? don't remember exactly) and I was messing around with some other critter with wrestling moves, I broke (red wounds) both hips, both knees, and both ankles and the critter could still walk. I wondered how the heck it would be able to walk in that condition. For reproduceability, you should be able to reproduce it in the arena.

(0005803) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-30 22:43	This is a general problem with breaks/fractures/shatters of limbs/joints -- they don't impair functionality at all.

(0005866) smjjames (reporter) 2010-05-01 17:28	Paralysis still works though, I had a hydra in arena which broke its lower back and lost use of its lower legs, even in wrestling.

(0007040) jgoodwin (reporter) 2010-05-19 23:12	Also applies to goblins. I dropped a dozen goblins 10 z-levels and had one survive the fall with one leg broken both upper and lower and the other leg broken upper, and he was still walking around the LZ (in between passing out). Other broken bones included left lower arm, left upper arm, right shoulder and right floating rib. This totally beat up goblin was also interrupting tasks of dwarves on the other side of solid walls, but that's probably by-design.

(0011012) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-25 14:22	Reminder sent to: jgoodwin, smjjames, toybasher Does this still occur in 31.12?

(0011357) toybasher (reporter) 2010-08-01 11:30	Not sure, but I have a feeling it would, all that was changed in the update was adding disembowlment and fixing some artery bugs. I think it would be EXTREMELY easy to test, just start up arena and spawn two humans and controll one and snap the other ones joints (This can also demonstrate how joint snaps cause WAAAAYYY too much pain as the other human will pass out about 9 times from a broken ankle, yet a severed finger will be "less painful)

(0011369) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-08-01 13:21	Not sure, but I have a feeling it would, all that was changed in the update was adding disembowlment and fixing some artery bugs. Nope, it was a lot more than that. This is your report, so please test it out.

(0011370) smjjames (reporter) 2010-08-01 13:28	I actually tested for this one and forgot about it. Other than joint lock and breaks creating ALOT of bleeding, when done by an ogre at least, I was able to break all the leg joints and they were still walking (as in not prone). I wasn't able to break all the joints as my victims would bleed to death before then, and I was doing it against other Ogres, I think.

(0011371) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-08-01 13:56	Alright, thanks.

(0014414) toybasher (reporter) 2010-12-05 13:08	Seems to be fixed...I think. I wouldn't close this just yet however. it seems injured legs never cause any slowing, only "Able to stand: Yes/NO" type of thing, you either can stand perfectly or be unable to stand, you should be slowed from leg injuries like toady said but i never see this happening

(0015068) Mercurio (reporter) 2011-02-09 05:17 edited on: 2011-02-09 05:22	I just played around with wrestling in adv-mode and the joint-lock-break-moves apparently don't impair any functionality of the broken part . Broken wrists or shoulders don't make an enemy lose the ability to grasp and broken knees, ankles or hips are perfectly fine for running around. They seem to only fall down if they faint because of too much pain.

(0015747) Infiltrator (reporter) 2011-03-05 03:38	I've got a goblin thief here running at full speed with a torn calf muscle. You try even walking with even a pulled calf and you'll see that it isn't going to happen; whereas this goblin is outrunning my healthy dwarves. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3898 [^]

(0020775) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2012-02-26 17:58	In 0.34.02 adventure mode, I broke the bones in the wing of an falcon, but it could still fly, so this bug is still present.

(0020950) Xotano (reporter) 2012-03-01 09:16	they still work in my game, well kinda, if i break something's leg it hits the ground, it can still wrestle with the leg and kick me but it cant stand, same goes for breakin an arm, they drop the stuff they had instantly.

(0030081) Loci (manager) 2014-09-10 06:54	v0.40.11: A giant mosquito had one of its wings severed following a minecart collision, then proceeded to get up and fly away, leaving its wing behind.

(0030082) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-09-10 07:02	Loci: does that still happen with both wings severed?