0003705: Worldgen dwarves (monarchs, kings, queens) have no material preferences

(0014121)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-11-21 14:00

In the past, the lack of material preferences caused kings to never issue any mandates; I haven't played with a 0.31 king long enough to see if this is still the case, but it most likely is, which would make the monarch far less annoying than it probably should be.

(0019165)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-12-13 13:59

For the record, one of my fortresses from 0.31.14 has a living King who makes no mandates, and a test confirms that giving him item/material preferences (using DFHack) does allow him to start making mandates.

(0019167)
Kogut (reporter)
2011-12-14 06:01
edited on: 2011-12-14 06:01

AFAIK Toady mentioned fixing skill/preferences etc of worldgen members of civilisations.

(0019698)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-15 14:59

Reminder sent to: Kogut

"AFAIK Toady mentioned fixing skill/preferences etc of worldgen members of civilisations."

Any idea where he mentioned that? I couldn't find it in the devlog or FOTF.

(0021559)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-03-18 11:38
edited on: 2012-03-18 11:38

This forum post suggests that this hasn't yet been fixed:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104909.msg3104467#msg3104467 [^]

(0021560)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-03-18 13:05

Well, normal historical figures do have preferences and full fledged personalities, at least. Maybe there is a problem with historical figures with entities' positions?

(0021572)
Quietust (reporter)
2012-03-18 18:32
edited on: 2012-04-13 11:37

Maybe it's the difference between historical figures created (on demand) from entity populations (as is the case when talking to "unnamed" people in Human cities in Adventurer mode, which can sometimes result in duplicates as with 0005106) and historical units that were created in full detail during worldgen (megabeasts, semimegabeasts, night creatures, and non-culled histfigs such as kings) and offloaded to the various unit-*.dat files.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-11-21 09:48	Quietust	New Issue
2010-11-21 14:00	Quietust	Note Added: 0014121
2011-04-03 12:33	Footkerchief	Summary	Worldgen dwarves have no material preferences => Worldgen dwarves (monarchs, kings, queens) have no material preferences
2011-12-13 13:59	Quietust	Note Added: 0019165
2011-12-14 06:00	Kogut	Tag Attached: Fixed in 0.31.26?
2011-12-14 06:01	Kogut	Note Added: 0019167
2011-12-14 06:01	Kogut	Note Edited: 0019167	View Revisions
2012-02-14 05:12	Footkerchief	Tag Renamed	Fixed in 0.31.26? => Fixed in 0.34.01?
2012-02-15 14:59	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2012-02-15 14:59	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019698
2012-03-18 11:38	Quietust	Note Added: 0021559
2012-03-18 11:38	Quietust	Note Edited: 0021559	View Revisions
2012-03-18 13:05	thvaz	Note Added: 0021560
2012-03-18 18:32	Quietust	Note Added: 0021572
2012-03-18 18:34	Quietust	Note Edited: 0021572	View Revisions
2012-04-09 19:59	Quietust	Note Edited: 0021572	View Revisions
2012-04-13 11:37	Quietust	Note Edited: 0021572	View Revisions

Notes
(0014121) Quietust (reporter) 2010-11-21 14:00	In the past, the lack of material preferences caused kings to never issue any mandates; I haven't played with a 0.31 king long enough to see if this is still the case, but it most likely is, which would make the monarch far less annoying than it probably should be.

(0019165) Quietust (reporter) 2011-12-13 13:59	For the record, one of my fortresses from 0.31.14 has a living King who makes no mandates, and a test confirms that giving him item/material preferences (using DFHack) does allow him to start making mandates.

(0019167) Kogut (reporter) 2011-12-14 06:01 edited on: 2011-12-14 06:01	AFAIK Toady mentioned fixing skill/preferences etc of worldgen members of civilisations.

(0019698) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-15 14:59	Reminder sent to: Kogut "AFAIK Toady mentioned fixing skill/preferences etc of worldgen members of civilisations." Any idea where he mentioned that? I couldn't find it in the devlog or FOTF.

(0021559) Quietust (reporter) 2012-03-18 11:38 edited on: 2012-03-18 11:38	This forum post suggests that this hasn't yet been fixed: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=104909.msg3104467#msg3104467 [^]

(0021560) thvaz (reporter) 2012-03-18 13:05	Well, normal historical figures do have preferences and full fledged personalities, at least. Maybe there is a problem with historical figures with entities' positions?

(0021572) Quietust (reporter) 2012-03-18 18:32 edited on: 2012-04-13 11:37	Maybe it's the difference between historical figures created (on demand) from entity populations (as is the case when talking to "unnamed" people in Human cities in Adventurer mode, which can sometimes result in duplicates as with 0005106) and historical units that were created in full detail during worldgen (megabeasts, semimegabeasts, night creatures, and non-culled histfigs such as kings) and offloaded to the various unit-*.dat files.

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