0003708: Ghost names that can't be engraved on a slab and nameless slab engravings

(0014160)
nordak (reporter)
2010-11-22 23:03

I get this after reclaim, I keep DF running 24/7 so I haven't loaded a save up to this bug.

Yea, no way to reclaim after a Tantrum Spiral. You will soon have 7 dead or dying dwarves, angry ghosts are nothing to scoff at.

(0014264)
Coriantumr (reporter)
2010-11-27 17:59
edited on: 2010-11-27 18:00

I have a similar problem. I have a ghost of a dead swordsdwarf that I can't bury or memorialize. His name is not available for engraving onto a slab, and although his corpse is in the stocks list, I can't locate it anywhere. Zooming to it just leads me to an empty murky pool.

I suspect the corpse might have been destroyed by being frozen that murky pool, but I can't prove that.

(0014389)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-12-03 09:51

The nameless memorial engravings are seemingly from killing the various civilian trolls that arrive with goblin sieges.

(0014647)
Quil (reporter)
2010-12-20 13:24

I have a dead caravan guard that I can't bury because their corpse was destroyed by a freezing pool, and they came back as a ghost. When trying to memorialise them, I find that their name doesn't appear in the list.

I also have some memorials I can engrave for "", but there are more null entries than I have dead, unburied people, although I do have some dead war animals that might have something to do with that issue.

(0014763)
zwei (reporter)
2010-12-31 11:41

I have the same issue: Three ghosts with corpses in river which can not be engraved to slabs because thier names are missing as well as six "nameless" engraves.

(0014779)
Sunday (reporter)
2011-01-03 15:05

I have this problem too.

The ghost is obviously a dwarf (not a troll, as theorized above by Quietust), and was a military guard for the merchants. My theory is that the military guards for merchants (but not the merchants themselves) are generally nameless, and are only granted a name upon their conversion to undeath. Thus, their name isn't available under the memorial slab because at the time of their demise they still didn't have a name.

(0014806)
sombrenote (reporter)
2011-01-06 11:12

I just have to say that no dwarf should ever have to memorialize a foreign ghost. That is like having to memorialize every goblin one kills. If anything, the foreign ghost might act more like a poltergeists and should be excised by a dwarven priest or something.

(0016392)
Dwarfu (manager)
2011-03-20 16:06

rpetiger has this save for a ghost name that can't be engraved after a reclaim:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4003 [^]

(0016395)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-20 17:24

Sunday: I wasn't talking about troll ghosts - I was talking about memorials, since the blank entries consistently appear in groups between groups of goblin invaders within the memorial engraving list.

Pretty much every historical figure that died at your fortress is eligible for memorials - megabeasts can also be selected, and likely even killed caravan pack animals.

(0017304)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-04-11 14:22

AbuDhabi posted these at 0004499:
Screenshot: http://i56.tinypic.com/nqcp5l.jpg [^]
Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4189 [^]

(0017308)
ag (reporter)
2011-04-11 15:47
edited on: 2011-04-11 15:50

I did some investigation today, and it seems that only historical figures can be engraved on a memorial - and the ghosts for some reason are not in the list of historical figures of the Legends mode. Maybe the guards are erroneously spawned only as units, but not as historical figures?..

This list can also be used to find out the probable origin of those nameless engravings - in my case it is 3 "nameless yak cows", one killed by goblins, and two crushed by a bridge.

(0017312)
ag (reporter)
2011-04-12 02:12

Here is my save with this issue, by the way:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4202 [^]

(0017384)
ag (reporter)
2011-04-15 00:00

And to further confirm my analysis, I made a memory hack that makes the ghosts engravable by stealing a historical figure record from a dead goblin. No unforseen negative effects noticed after two evenings of play.

(0018771)
MightyRavenDark (reporter)
2011-09-30 13:41

I am also experiencing this with a murderous ghost and it currently has brought my fort to a complete halt, for fear of losing a legendary or noble dwarf and possibly causing a tantrum spiral. The reason for being unable to engrave slabs and memorialize the dwarf ghost is caused by the body being completely destroyed, as was the case for a very stupid dwarf who happened to wander under my atom smasher while I was trash compacting about 1000 units of refuse. It seems you can only engrave slabs to dwarves whose bodies either are still present on the map, or who are still alive.

(0018785)
blackkat (reporter)
2011-10-05 18:51

I had the same issue in Fortress mode. I reclaimed my fortress after a bunch of my dwarves had died. I had dead bodies everywhere. However, about ten ghosts ended up being raised. I couldn't build memorials for all of the ghosts, but I could bury the bodies (the bodies were still all available).

(0021087)
ToadChild (reporter)
2012-03-04 16:18
edited on: 2012-03-04 16:21

I also have this issue. One of my miners found the magma sea the hard way. He was on fire and partway up the stairs before he died. His corpse continued burning, and eventually disappeared entirely. Now I have a haunted mineshaft to nowhere.

I am running 34.04, for what it is worth.

(0021156)
misko27 (reporter)
2012-03-05 20:37

Exact same thing happened to me. However I reclaimed that fortress again, and the violent miner (Sibrek Solominder), appeared as a engraveble again.

(0021208)
barconis (reporter)
2012-03-07 07:03

This also happened to me in my current fort (34.02 -> 34.04 -> 34.05); the dwarf arrived in wave 9 and was a normal citizen. I think he got burned up by magma, but there's no way to tell. Never abandoned, so never reclaimed, it just happened during normal play.

(0021395)
AdeleneDawner (reporter)
2012-03-11 22:20

It appears that being a historical figure doesn't stop a ghost from being un-slab-able. I have a dwarf ghost (I think he was a caravan guard, but I'm not sure) that doesn't show up on the engraving list (only thing on there are two kobolds; it's a young fort) and he just transformed into a werepanda, which I assume wouldn't be possible if he weren't a historical figure.

(0021582)
Aisher (reporter)
2012-03-19 01:47

Same problem :(

my ghost was a historical figure
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8911/56107740.png [^]

atomsmash his corpse after siege. cant engrave slab now

here is a save http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=5939&f=region1.zip [^]

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-11-21 12:51	hackbart	New Issue
2010-11-21 13:27	Logical2u	Relationship added	child of 0003611
2010-11-22 23:03	nordak	Note Added: 0014160
2010-11-27 17:59	Coriantumr	Note Added: 0014264
2010-11-27 18:00	Coriantumr	Note Edited: 0014264	View Revisions
2010-11-27 18:00	Coriantumr	Note Edited: 0014264	View Revisions
2010-12-02 07:46	Footkerchief	Category	General => Undeath
2010-12-03 09:51	Quietust	Note Added: 0014389
2010-12-03 11:26	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003769
2010-12-20 13:24	Quil	Note Added: 0014647
2010-12-31 11:41	zwei	Note Added: 0014763
2010-12-31 11:41	zwei	Issue Monitored: zwei
2011-01-03 15:05	Sunday	Note Added: 0014779
2011-01-06 11:12	sombrenote	Note Added: 0014806
2011-03-20 16:05	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004252
2011-03-20 16:06	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0016392
2011-03-20 16:06	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Save Included
2011-03-20 16:06	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Save Needs Testing
2011-03-20 17:24	Quietust	Note Added: 0016395
2011-04-11 14:21	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004499
2011-04-11 14:22	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0017304
2011-04-11 15:47	ag	Note Added: 0017308
2011-04-11 15:49	ag	Note Edited: 0017308	View Revisions
2011-04-11 15:50	ag	Note Edited: 0017308	View Revisions
2011-04-12 02:12	ag	Note Added: 0017312
2011-04-15 00:00	ag	Note Added: 0017384
2011-09-30 13:41	MightyRavenDark	Note Added: 0018771
2011-10-05 18:51	blackkat	Note Added: 0018785
2011-12-18 02:59	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004495
2012-02-22 20:02	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0003611
2012-02-22 20:02	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005130
2012-02-26 11:47	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-03-04 16:18	ToadChild	Note Added: 0021087
2012-03-04 16:21	ToadChild	Note Edited: 0021087	View Revisions
2012-03-05 20:37	misko27	Note Added: 0021156
2012-03-07 07:03	barconis	Note Added: 0021208
2012-03-11 22:20	AdeleneDawner	Note Added: 0021395
2012-03-19 01:47	Aisher	Note Added: 0021582
2012-03-27 03:52	Steb	Issue Monitored: Steb
2012-03-27 05:23	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2012-03-27 05:23	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2012-03-27 05:23	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2012-03-27 05:23	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2012-03-27 23:11	Buglist	Issue End Monitor: Buglist
2012-03-28 03:42	Steb	Issue End Monitor: Steb
2012-03-30 02:11	zwei	Issue End Monitor: zwei
2012-04-02 08:42	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005755
2012-04-21 16:57	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005820

Notes
(0014160) nordak (reporter) 2010-11-22 23:03	I get this after reclaim, I keep DF running 24/7 so I haven't loaded a save up to this bug. Yea, no way to reclaim after a Tantrum Spiral. You will soon have 7 dead or dying dwarves, angry ghosts are nothing to scoff at.

(0014264) Coriantumr (reporter) 2010-11-27 17:59 edited on: 2010-11-27 18:00	I have a similar problem. I have a ghost of a dead swordsdwarf that I can't bury or memorialize. His name is not available for engraving onto a slab, and although his corpse is in the stocks list, I can't locate it anywhere. Zooming to it just leads me to an empty murky pool. I suspect the corpse might have been destroyed by being frozen that murky pool, but I can't prove that.

(0014389) Quietust (reporter) 2010-12-03 09:51	The nameless memorial engravings are seemingly from killing the various civilian trolls that arrive with goblin sieges.

(0014647) Quil (reporter) 2010-12-20 13:24	I have a dead caravan guard that I can't bury because their corpse was destroyed by a freezing pool, and they came back as a ghost. When trying to memorialise them, I find that their name doesn't appear in the list. I also have some memorials I can engrave for "", but there are more null entries than I have dead, unburied people, although I do have some dead war animals that might have something to do with that issue.

(0014763) zwei (reporter) 2010-12-31 11:41	I have the same issue: Three ghosts with corpses in river which can not be engraved to slabs because thier names are missing as well as six "nameless" engraves.

(0014779) Sunday (reporter) 2011-01-03 15:05	I have this problem too. The ghost is obviously a dwarf (not a troll, as theorized above by Quietust), and was a military guard for the merchants. My theory is that the military guards for merchants (but not the merchants themselves) are generally nameless, and are only granted a name upon their conversion to undeath. Thus, their name isn't available under the memorial slab because at the time of their demise they still didn't have a name.

(0014806) sombrenote (reporter) 2011-01-06 11:12	I just have to say that no dwarf should ever have to memorialize a foreign ghost. That is like having to memorialize every goblin one kills. If anything, the foreign ghost might act more like a poltergeists and should be excised by a dwarven priest or something.

(0016392) Dwarfu (manager) 2011-03-20 16:06	rpetiger has this save for a ghost name that can't be engraved after a reclaim: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4003 [^]

(0016395) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-20 17:24	Sunday: I wasn't talking about troll ghosts - I was talking about memorials, since the blank entries consistently appear in groups between groups of goblin invaders within the memorial engraving list. Pretty much every historical figure that died at your fortress is eligible for memorials - megabeasts can also be selected, and likely even killed caravan pack animals.

(0017304) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-04-11 14:22	AbuDhabi posted these at 0004499: Screenshot: http://i56.tinypic.com/nqcp5l.jpg [^] Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4189 [^]

(0017308) ag (reporter) 2011-04-11 15:47 edited on: 2011-04-11 15:50	I did some investigation today, and it seems that only historical figures can be engraved on a memorial - and the ghosts for some reason are not in the list of historical figures of the Legends mode. Maybe the guards are erroneously spawned only as units, but not as historical figures?.. This list can also be used to find out the probable origin of those nameless engravings - in my case it is 3 "nameless yak cows", one killed by goblins, and two crushed by a bridge.

(0017312) ag (reporter) 2011-04-12 02:12	Here is my save with this issue, by the way: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4202 [^]

(0017384) ag (reporter) 2011-04-15 00:00	And to further confirm my analysis, I made a memory hack that makes the ghosts engravable by stealing a historical figure record from a dead goblin. No unforseen negative effects noticed after two evenings of play.

(0018771) MightyRavenDark (reporter) 2011-09-30 13:41	I am also experiencing this with a murderous ghost and it currently has brought my fort to a complete halt, for fear of losing a legendary or noble dwarf and possibly causing a tantrum spiral. The reason for being unable to engrave slabs and memorialize the dwarf ghost is caused by the body being completely destroyed, as was the case for a very stupid dwarf who happened to wander under my atom smasher while I was trash compacting about 1000 units of refuse. It seems you can only engrave slabs to dwarves whose bodies either are still present on the map, or who are still alive.

(0018785) blackkat (reporter) 2011-10-05 18:51	I had the same issue in Fortress mode. I reclaimed my fortress after a bunch of my dwarves had died. I had dead bodies everywhere. However, about ten ghosts ended up being raised. I couldn't build memorials for all of the ghosts, but I could bury the bodies (the bodies were still all available).

(0021087) ToadChild (reporter) 2012-03-04 16:18 edited on: 2012-03-04 16:21	I also have this issue. One of my miners found the magma sea the hard way. He was on fire and partway up the stairs before he died. His corpse continued burning, and eventually disappeared entirely. Now I have a haunted mineshaft to nowhere. I am running 34.04, for what it is worth.

(0021156) misko27 (reporter) 2012-03-05 20:37	Exact same thing happened to me. However I reclaimed that fortress again, and the violent miner (Sibrek Solominder), appeared as a engraveble again.

(0021208) barconis (reporter) 2012-03-07 07:03	This also happened to me in my current fort (34.02 -> 34.04 -> 34.05); the dwarf arrived in wave 9 and was a normal citizen. I think he got burned up by magma, but there's no way to tell. Never abandoned, so never reclaimed, it just happened during normal play.

(0021395) AdeleneDawner (reporter) 2012-03-11 22:20	It appears that being a historical figure doesn't stop a ghost from being un-slab-able. I have a dwarf ghost (I think he was a caravan guard, but I'm not sure) that doesn't show up on the engraving list (only thing on there are two kobolds; it's a young fort) and he just transformed into a werepanda, which I assume wouldn't be possible if he weren't a historical figure.

(0021582) Aisher (reporter) 2012-03-19 01:47	Same problem :( my ghost was a historical figure http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8911/56107740.png [^] atomsmash his corpse after siege. cant engrave slab now here is a save http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=5939&f=region1.zip [^]