0004398: Unexplained crash without an error dump

(0016828)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-03-31 00:35

What raws have you changed since generating the world?

(0016829)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-03-31 00:38
edited on: 2011-04-03 21:54

I had some problems with zombie birds causing endless job cancellation spam, so I took off flier (temporarily, I added it back in afterwards) and added cannot_undead.

I changed [INTELLIGENT] on dyansauri to [CAN_LEARN] when I was testing whether that was the source of the crash but I changed it back.

I did experiment earlier with adding a new entity position to an already-genned world- it didn't seem to do anything then, so I didn't bother undoing it (replacing the bugged Dungeon Master with the genesis mod appointable DM.)

(edit: removed old save after uploading a new version)

Edit: Just tried restoring the DM position to its original form. Still crashes.

(0016833)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-03-31 01:06

it didn't seem to do anything then

Making raws changes of that kind (adding new entries etc) can cause unpredictable and delayed crashes. There's a chance Toady could use your save to find a bug, but a vanilla save would be highly preferable.

(0016857)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-03-31 09:19

So, my bad, basically. Oops.

(0016972)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-04-02 00:52

I generated an identical world, but didn't mess with the tags this time- and it immediately crashed when a dyansauri caravan arrived, around the same time of year as before.

There's still nothing being posted to errorlog.txt and I didn't see anything about a nemesis error. This is a bit frustrating- I really like this site!

(0016974)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-04-02 03:30

I notice in the raws that the dyansauri lay eggs, but don't appear to have a body detail plan that actually adds egg materials. Does the crash still occur if you add
[BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:LEATHERY_EGG_MATERIALS]
to the raws? Is this missing from the Civ Forge as well? While I can't really imagine that to crash the game, it's the only thing I'm seeing in the dyansauri raws.

(0016980)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-04-02 10:08

I didn't change the creature_dyansauri raws at all so yep, it's missing from the latest Civ Forge as well.

(0016985)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-04-02 11:10

Interesting... Changing [INTELLIGENT] to [CAN_LEARN] didn't prevent the dyansauri from sending a caravan like usual. Instead, they still brought it shortly followed by a frost giant caravan, with no crash.

I have no idea what's going on. Probably broke it again anyway by force-quitting so it wouldn't save with the changed raw.

(0017039)
InsanityPrelude (reporter)
2011-04-03 21:58

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4125 [^] Here's the save from after regenning the world. I undid the change from [INTELLIGENT] to [CAN_LEARN] as I mentioned; this is a couple minutes (at least on my computer, your FPS may vary) before the caravan arrives and the game crashes.

(0031584)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-12-30 20:16

Since save compatibility has been broken since this report, it's hard to tell whether this crash has since been fixed. If anyone has a save that crashes under similar conditions in the latest version, please upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and PM a manager on the forums (or reopen the report).

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-31 00:34	InsanityPrelude	New Issue
2011-03-31 00:35	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0016828
2011-03-31 00:35	InsanityPrelude	Tag Attached: 0.31.25
2011-03-31 00:35	InsanityPrelude	Tag Attached: crash
2011-03-31 00:35	InsanityPrelude	Tag Attached: Save Included
2011-03-31 00:38	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0016829
2011-03-31 00:39	InsanityPrelude	Issue Monitored: InsanityPrelude
2011-03-31 00:39	InsanityPrelude	Note Edited: 0016829	View Revisions
2011-03-31 00:41	InsanityPrelude	Note Edited: 0016829	View Revisions
2011-03-31 00:46	InsanityPrelude	Note Edited: 0016829	View Revisions
2011-03-31 01:06	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0016833
2011-03-31 09:19	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0016857
2011-03-31 09:19	InsanityPrelude	Tag Attached: CLOSE THIS
2011-03-31 09:46	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2011-03-31 09:46	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2011-03-31 09:46	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2011-03-31 09:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001271
2011-03-31 09:46	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: CLOSE THIS
2011-03-31 11:54	InsanityPrelude	Issue End Monitor: InsanityPrelude
2011-04-02 00:52	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0016972
2011-04-02 00:52	InsanityPrelude	Status	resolved => needs feedback
2011-04-02 00:52	InsanityPrelude	Resolution	no change required => reopened
2011-04-02 03:30	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0016974
2011-04-02 07:52	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Footkerchief =>
2011-04-02 07:52	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => new
2011-04-02 07:52	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-04-02 10:08	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0016980
2011-04-02 11:10	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0016985
2011-04-03 21:54	InsanityPrelude	Note Edited: 0016829	View Revisions
2011-04-03 21:58	InsanityPrelude	Note Added: 0017039
2011-12-22 09:50	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2014-12-30 20:16	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0031584
2014-12-30 20:16	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2014-12-30 20:16	Footkerchief	Resolution	reopened => not fixable
2014-12-30 20:16	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief

Notes
(0016828) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-03-31 00:35	What raws have you changed since generating the world?

(0016829) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-03-31 00:38 edited on: 2011-04-03 21:54	I had some problems with zombie birds causing endless job cancellation spam, so I took off flier (temporarily, I added it back in afterwards) and added cannot_undead. I changed [INTELLIGENT] on dyansauri to [CAN_LEARN] when I was testing whether that was the source of the crash but I changed it back. I did experiment earlier with adding a new entity position to an already-genned world- it didn't seem to do anything then, so I didn't bother undoing it (replacing the bugged Dungeon Master with the genesis mod appointable DM.) (edit: removed old save after uploading a new version) Edit: Just tried restoring the DM position to its original form. Still crashes.

(0016833) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-03-31 01:06	it didn't seem to do anything then Making raws changes of that kind (adding new entries etc) can cause unpredictable and delayed crashes. There's a chance Toady could use your save to find a bug, but a vanilla save would be highly preferable.

(0016857) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-03-31 09:19	So, my bad, basically. Oops.

(0016972) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-04-02 00:52	I generated an identical world, but didn't mess with the tags this time- and it immediately crashed when a dyansauri caravan arrived, around the same time of year as before. There's still nothing being posted to errorlog.txt and I didn't see anything about a nemesis error. This is a bit frustrating- I really like this site!

(0016974) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-04-02 03:30	I notice in the raws that the dyansauri lay eggs, but don't appear to have a body detail plan that actually adds egg materials. Does the crash still occur if you add [BODY_DETAIL_PLAN:LEATHERY_EGG_MATERIALS] to the raws? Is this missing from the Civ Forge as well? While I can't really imagine that to crash the game, it's the only thing I'm seeing in the dyansauri raws.

(0016980) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-04-02 10:08	I didn't change the creature_dyansauri raws at all so yep, it's missing from the latest Civ Forge as well.

(0016985) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-04-02 11:10	Interesting... Changing [INTELLIGENT] to [CAN_LEARN] didn't prevent the dyansauri from sending a caravan like usual. Instead, they still brought it shortly followed by a frost giant caravan, with no crash. I have no idea what's going on. Probably broke it again anyway by force-quitting so it wouldn't save with the changed raw.

(0017039) InsanityPrelude (reporter) 2011-04-03 21:58	http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=4125 [^] Here's the save from after regenning the world. I undid the change from [INTELLIGENT] to [CAN_LEARN] as I mentioned; this is a couple minutes (at least on my computer, your FPS may vary) before the caravan arrives and the game crashes.

(0031584) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-12-30 20:16	Since save compatibility has been broken since this report, it's hard to tell whether this crash has since been fixed. If anyone has a save that crashes under similar conditions in the latest version, please upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and PM a manager on the forums (or reopen the report).