0006896: Mining a vein or cluster leaves floor tiles of the layer stone (natural cave formation doesn't)

(0025418)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-07-09 17:08

What makes you think this isn't intentional?

(0025517)
Dwarfu (manager)
2014-07-10 06:00

Previously, the floors were whatever material the mined-out tile was (mineral, gem, etc.).

(0025586)
cephalo (reporter)
2014-07-10 13:34

It can be a factor if you like to smooth and engrave floors with the natural patterns visible. It looks terrible but I like it!

(0025589)
Quietust (reporter)
2014-07-10 13:45
edited on: 2014-07-10 13:53

A quick test confirms that mining out a mineral inclusion consistently leaves the current layer material behindm even when excavating stairs (e.g. digging an up/down staircase from a Kaolinite cluster left Sand stairs behind), which is totally different from versions 0.34.11 and earlier (back to 0.27.169.32a, anyways - in the 2D versions, ores and gems left behind ordinary stone floors).

[edit] The same thing happens with feature stone - no more adamantine floors.

(0025690)
denspb (reporter)
2014-07-10 22:54

That looks like feature rather than bug for me, at least for gems/small clusters.

(0027177)
SteveTheRed (reporter)
2014-07-21 20:07

It impacts on room quality - I used to seek out gem/ore clusters to make high value rooms, as they'd have higher value than basic rock.

(0027316)
AVK (reporter)
2014-07-23 09:07

But for reals is this intentional or not? I kinda like it. It feels more like you're carving every inch of the good stuff from the mountain instead of laser-cutting perfectly square blocks and leaving behind the gold and jewels embedded into the floor, just an inch beneath the mandated floor height.

It'd be really neat if a mineral floor just indicated where the vein goes on between Z-levels, but that's just me.

(0029293)
Quietust (reporter)
2014-08-19 06:01

By comparison, natural caves (notably, downward passages from the surface - haven't checked dry caverns yet) do have mineral floors where the inclusions used to be.

(0029648)
Tristan Alkai (reporter)
2014-08-26 08:36

I agree with SteveTheRed. I like the room quality bonus of minerals.

If truly reverting to previous behavior is not desired, then perhaps an option in d_init to regulate this? It does have that list with weather, economy, etc. The behavior that triggered the bug report would be something like "complete mineral mining:yes"

Even if yes by default, this opens up the option for those that want the valuable floors (including SteveTheRed and me) to set that option to no.

(0029649)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-26 08:43

Tristan Alkai: the bug tracker isn't a good place for Suggestions-type discussions. We're only interested in whether it's a bug or not.

(0029650)
Tristan Alkai (reporter)
2014-08-26 08:53

Understood. I was trying to assist in solving it.

Also: the link for suggestions is not obvious from here. Advice?

(0029652)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-26 09:01

Oops, yeah, it's on the forums: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 [^]

(0030666)
kicking jay (reporter)
2014-10-18 20:18

I thought it was intentional, meant to prevent the pretty exploity way of boosting room value by putting nobles in dug out platinum/gold veins.

I like it, and I hope it stays.

(0034621)
vomov (reporter)
2016-02-09 03:54

From another, related bug; this also 'breaks' obsidian casting, as the floors will be sand/dirt. I remember obsidian casting working in another way before, but I'm not sure if this is an intended change or not.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-09 16:42	Zidorn	New Issue
2014-07-09 17:08	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0025418
2014-07-09 17:08	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-07-09 17:08	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2014-07-10 05:59	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006925
2014-07-10 05:59	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2014-07-10 06:00	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0025517
2014-07-10 13:34	cephalo	Note Added: 0025586
2014-07-10 13:45	Quietust	Note Added: 0025589
2014-07-10 13:53	Quietust	Note Edited: 0025589	View Revisions
2014-07-10 20:56	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007017
2014-07-10 22:54	denspb	Note Added: 0025690
2014-07-14 11:34	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => acknowledged
2014-07-20 21:38	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007532
2014-07-21 20:07	SteveTheRed	Note Added: 0027177
2014-07-23 09:07	AVK	Note Added: 0027316
2014-08-13 15:59	Footkerchief	Summary	Mined out rocks leave wrong floor => Mining a vein or cluster leaves floor tiles of the layer stone
2014-08-13 15:59	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001370
2014-08-16 20:32	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0008047
2014-08-19 06:01	Quietust	Note Added: 0029293
2014-08-19 06:33	Footkerchief	Summary	Mining a vein or cluster leaves floor tiles of the layer stone => Mining a vein or cluster leaves floor tiles of the layer stone (natural cave formation doesn't)
2014-08-26 08:36	Tristan Alkai	Note Added: 0029648
2014-08-26 08:39	Tristan Alkai	Tag Attached: mining
2014-08-26 08:43	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0029649
2014-08-26 08:53	Tristan Alkai	Note Added: 0029650
2014-08-26 09:01	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0029652
2014-10-18 20:18	kicking jay	Note Added: 0030666
2014-10-27 11:47	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008444
2014-12-30 20:31	Footkerchief	Status	acknowledged => confirmed
2016-01-13 23:36	Kirig Stonebeard III	Issue Monitored: Kirig Stonebeard III
2016-02-09 03:54	vomov	Note Added: 0034621

Notes
(0025418) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-07-09 17:08	What makes you think this isn't intentional?

(0025517) Dwarfu (manager) 2014-07-10 06:00	Previously, the floors were whatever material the mined-out tile was (mineral, gem, etc.).

(0025586) cephalo (reporter) 2014-07-10 13:34	It can be a factor if you like to smooth and engrave floors with the natural patterns visible. It looks terrible but I like it!

(0025589) Quietust (reporter) 2014-07-10 13:45 edited on: 2014-07-10 13:53	A quick test confirms that mining out a mineral inclusion consistently leaves the current layer material behindm even when excavating stairs (e.g. digging an up/down staircase from a Kaolinite cluster left Sand stairs behind), which is totally different from versions 0.34.11 and earlier (back to 0.27.169.32a, anyways - in the 2D versions, ores and gems left behind ordinary stone floors). [edit] The same thing happens with feature stone - no more adamantine floors.

(0025690) denspb (reporter) 2014-07-10 22:54	That looks like feature rather than bug for me, at least for gems/small clusters.

(0027177) SteveTheRed (reporter) 2014-07-21 20:07	It impacts on room quality - I used to seek out gem/ore clusters to make high value rooms, as they'd have higher value than basic rock.

(0027316) AVK (reporter) 2014-07-23 09:07	But for reals is this intentional or not? I kinda like it. It feels more like you're carving every inch of the good stuff from the mountain instead of laser-cutting perfectly square blocks and leaving behind the gold and jewels embedded into the floor, just an inch beneath the mandated floor height. It'd be really neat if a mineral floor just indicated where the vein goes on between Z-levels, but that's just me.

(0029293) Quietust (reporter) 2014-08-19 06:01	By comparison, natural caves (notably, downward passages from the surface - haven't checked dry caverns yet) do have mineral floors where the inclusions used to be.

(0029648) Tristan Alkai (reporter) 2014-08-26 08:36	I agree with SteveTheRed. I like the room quality bonus of minerals. If truly reverting to previous behavior is not desired, then perhaps an option in d_init to regulate this? It does have that list with weather, economy, etc. The behavior that triggered the bug report would be something like "complete mineral mining:yes" Even if yes by default, this opens up the option for those that want the valuable floors (including SteveTheRed and me) to set that option to no.

(0029649) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-26 08:43	Tristan Alkai: the bug tracker isn't a good place for Suggestions-type discussions. We're only interested in whether it's a bug or not.

(0029650) Tristan Alkai (reporter) 2014-08-26 08:53	Understood. I was trying to assist in solving it. Also: the link for suggestions is not obvious from here. Advice?

(0029652) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-26 09:01	Oops, yeah, it's on the forums: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?board=5.0 [^]

(0030666) kicking jay (reporter) 2014-10-18 20:18	I thought it was intentional, meant to prevent the pretty exploity way of boosting room value by putting nobles in dug out platinum/gold veins. I like it, and I hope it stays.

(0034621) vomov (reporter) 2016-02-09 03:54	From another, related bug; this also 'breaks' obsidian casting, as the floors will be sand/dirt. I remember obsidian casting working in another way before, but I'm not sure if this is an intended change or not.