0000219: Smelting reaction ingredients/products change during gameplay, possibly Wine-specific

(0000380)
shadow_slicer (reporter)
2010-04-02 19:54

screenshots of parts 3 and 4:
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~bhamilton3/pigiron.png [^]
http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~bhamilton3/platinum.png [^]

Also, before step 1 occurred, I encountered issue 0000025 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=25 [^]), so there is some chance it may be related.

(0000383)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-02 19:59

is it possible the recipe for steel has changed ?

(0000410)
Asmodeous (reporter)
2010-04-02 21:06

...to require 150 black zircon bars?

(0000417)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-04-02 21:20
edited on: 2010-04-02 21:20

Sounds like the raws may have gotten corrupted - back in 0.28.181.40d, adding/removing stuff without clearing out data/objects would often result in stuff like this ("olon Udilmat, Woodcutter cancels Make Coke From Bituminous Coal: Needs black opal."), but in 0.31 the game seems to not keep the precompiled raws around anymore. Does the situation improve if you save, exit, and reload?

(0000721)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-03 17:29

I had part (1) happen midway through a fort just now. No modified raws. Bituminous coal and lignite are now considered an "other" stone (see 0000332), I cannot add them to the smelter, and there are no reactions listed for them under the 'z'/Stone screen (usually it'll list the "make coke" reactions there)

(0000722)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-03 17:33

Save/exit/reload didn't help.

(0000723)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-03 17:33
edited on: 2010-04-03 17:40

If you found a large amount of flux (possibly ore too) in 40d it would set itself to be available (green) in the z - stone menu.

The z - stone menu now has all stone in it (except obsidian), not just metal and economics, try going here and setting it back to red if necessary.

(0000726)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-03 17:47
edited on: 2010-04-03 17:48

This appears to be a Wine-induced bug.

My fortress was started under Windows and played for a while.
Later, I copied it to my linux install and played it under Wine. Then I noticed the reaction problems.

If I go back to the original save from Windows and play it under Windows, the reactions are correct.
If I take a fresh copy of that identical save and load it under Wine, the reactions are broken immediately on load.

Guessing there is some problem with parsing the raws that only triggers when the wine libraries are used..

(0000808)
shadow_slicer (reporter)
2010-04-04 00:19
edited on: 2010-04-04 00:22

Perhaps this problem is caused by switching between Wine and XP?
For my first fort (started under Wine), it worked correctly under Wine, but then started having problems on XP.
For the second fort (started under XP), it worked fine under XP, but then started having problems after switching to Wine.

I tested the save from the first fort (from before switching to XP) and the save from the second fort (from before switching to Wine) under Wine. The problem is not present for the first fort, but is for the second fort.

(0002493)
Creidieki (reporter)
2010-04-09 19:26

I had this problem when I played under wine, then scp'd the entire dwarf fortress folder to another linux computer, where I tried playing (under wine again).

I tried preserving file permissions, and that didn't help.

(0002494)
shadow_slicer (reporter)
2010-04-09 19:59

@Creidieki: Did you generate the fortress under XP or on Linux? My current hypothesis is that switching from Wine to XP or vice versa causes this. It would be nice to have evidence either way.

(0002629)
Lesconrads (reporter)
2010-04-10 13:12

I just played on wine. No windows involved.
I too have the problem of strange output-goods... iron mugs producing some siltstone mugs instead etc.

(0003251)
Creidieki (reporter)
2010-04-13 07:27

shadow_slicer: Both of the computers involved were 64-bit Linux computers running Ubuntu. They may have been running different versions of wine, or differently-configured versions of wine; I'll try to check on that when I get home.

(0005125)
CptFastbreak (reporter)
2010-04-26 08:59
edited on: 2010-04-28 09:17

It's most definitely not a Wine bug. I'm playing on WiXP32, and I had about the same thing happen WRT bituminous coal and lignite in a non-burrowed smelter. When I add the jobs via manager, I would get "Urist McSmelter cancels Make coal from Lignite - needs rock." I can still make steel with charcoal though. Saving and reloading did nothing.

Edit: cross posted in 0000332 with some more information.

(0005142)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-26 10:45
edited on: 2010-04-26 10:45

The thing with bituminous coal and lignite is 0000332, which may or may not be related.

I have a vague suspicion this has something to do with inconsistent handling of underscores/spaces in raw tokens:
- PLATINUM comes immediately after PIG_IRON, the first metal with an underscore in the name
- BLACK ZIRCON comes after QUARTZ_ROSE and CRYSTAL_ROCK, which are the first gems to use underscores

However I can't find anything special about CASSITERITE, OPAL_BLACK and SILTSTONE.

More testing is needed. If you get this bug, please make sure to report your OS and which precise material got substituted for which.

(0005665)
snooptodd (reporter)
2010-04-29 09:21

trying to make pig iron tells me i need 150 chrysoberyl bars.

wine v1.1.42

I am going to try turning off compress saves and see if that helps.

(0006361)
snooptodd (reporter)
2010-05-07 08:47

turning off compress saves didn't help.
new fort wanted sandstone bars for pig iron and steel.

(0006748)
WFrag (reporter)
2010-05-15 22:53

Same issue with wine. The reactions are getting corrupted.

I was switching back and forth to XP and Linux and reactions are corrupted/recovered again and again. However, I can't find clue what exactly recovers them (making some specific actions on XP and saving?).

(0006749)
WFrag (reporter)
2010-05-15 23:29

Loaded under windows => everything is fine.

I think, it is a memory corruption that is either:
1) occurs only under wine
2) under wine it hits the reactions due to the different memory layout. Under windows the corruption hits something else, not visible (?)

(0006757)
jfs (reporter)
2010-05-16 02:59

Someone somewhere on the forum mentioned that the order in which reactions and materials are loaded seem to affect things, i.e. moving a material from one file to another might cause corruption.

I'm thinking that this might relate to MS Windows and Wine returning lists of files in different order, so when DF searches the raws directory for materials and reactions, it finds them in different order on MS Windows and Wine, and this causes the corruption.

I haven't actually tested this hypothesis.

(0006843)
WFrag (reporter)
2010-05-16 21:21

Tested 0.31.4 (Linux version) => reactions seems to work fine.

(0006853)
WFrag (reporter)
2010-05-16 23:35

Pig iron & steel seems to be ok, but bitumnous coal now requires chromite. So this is still an issue in 0.31.04

(0006854)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-16 23:51

Problems with bituminous coal and lignite are 0000332, which is not Wine-specific.

(0007626)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-03 12:20
edited on: 2010-06-03 12:21

Is anyone experiencing this problem in 31.04? (NOT the coal/lignite problems, which are 0000332)

(0007682)
Eskarion (reporter)
2010-06-04 15:48
edited on: 2010-06-05 03:10

(edit: moved to the correct bug report)

(0007684)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-04 17:20

Again:

Problems with bituminous coal and lignite are 0000332, which is not Wine-specific.

(0007812)
Leperous (reporter)
2010-06-06 11:44

Still occuring in 31.05 in the native Linux version - adamantine wafer creation is missing from smelters, adding the jobs through the manager tells me that "15000 gypsum plaster thread" are needed to make them.

(0007813)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-06 11:46

Leperous, if that problem continues to happen after a save/load, you should definitely upload your save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0007814)
Leperous (reporter)
2010-06-06 12:01
edited on: 2010-06-06 12:05

Hrm, just realised this is a reclaim on an old save (perhaps from 31.02) despite copying over the new RAW folder. Since it's not happening on fresh embarks I'll chalk it up to that for now, and repost if it pops up again.

(0007817)
Cel (reporter)
2010-06-06 12:17

If you use windows saves in linux version you got weird errors. Like, need sand to make pig iron.

Linux native 31.05 works fine (fedora 13 x86_64), steel making and coke making works fine. Don't know about adamantine yet

(0008958)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-22 09:17

Okay, we'll chalk this up to Wine issues. Hopefully it'll never show up again now that there's a native Linux version.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-02 19:51	shadow_slicer	New Issue
2010-04-02 19:51	shadow_slicer	Issue Monitored: shadow_slicer
2010-04-02 19:51	shadow_slicer	Issue End Monitor: shadow_slicer
2010-04-02 19:54	shadow_slicer	Note Added: 0000380
2010-04-02 19:59	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000383
2010-04-02 21:06	Asmodeous	Note Added: 0000410
2010-04-02 21:20	Quietust	Note Added: 0000417
2010-04-02 21:20	Quietust	Note Edited: 0000417	View Revisions
2010-04-03 17:29	oliver	Note Added: 0000721
2010-04-03 17:33	oliver	Note Added: 0000722
2010-04-03 17:33	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000723
2010-04-03 17:35	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0000723	View Revisions
2010-04-03 17:40	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0000723	View Revisions
2010-04-03 17:47	oliver	Note Added: 0000726
2010-04-03 17:48	oliver	Note Edited: 0000726	View Revisions
2010-04-03 18:03	oliver	Issue Monitored: oliver
2010-04-04 00:19	shadow_slicer	Note Added: 0000808
2010-04-04 00:22	shadow_slicer	Note Edited: 0000808	View Revisions
2010-04-09 03:42	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-04-09 19:26	Creidieki	Note Added: 0002493
2010-04-09 19:59	shadow_slicer	Note Added: 0002494
2010-04-10 13:12	Lesconrads	Note Added: 0002629
2010-04-13 07:27	Creidieki	Note Added: 0003251
2010-04-26 08:59	CptFastbreak	Note Added: 0005125
2010-04-26 09:49	CptFastbreak	Issue Monitored: CptFastbreak
2010-04-26 10:45	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0005142
2010-04-26 10:45	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0005142	View Revisions
2010-04-26 10:45	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0005142	View Revisions
2010-04-26 10:46	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-04-26 10:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000332
2010-04-28 09:17	CptFastbreak	Note Edited: 0005125	View Revisions
2010-04-28 09:18	CptFastbreak	Issue End Monitor: CptFastbreak
2010-04-28 09:28	CptFastbreak	Issue Monitored: CptFastbreak
2010-04-28 13:55	Footkerchief	Category	General => Reactions
2010-04-29 09:21	snooptodd	Note Added: 0005665
2010-05-07 07:35	snooptodd	Issue Monitored: snooptodd
2010-05-07 08:47	snooptodd	Note Added: 0006361
2010-05-07 10:33	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0000332
2010-05-07 10:34	Footkerchief	Summary	Smelting reaction ingredients/products change during gameplay => Smelting reaction ingredients/products change during gameplay, possibly Wine-specific
2010-05-15 22:53	WFrag	Note Added: 0006748
2010-05-15 23:29	WFrag	Note Added: 0006749
2010-05-16 02:42	WFrag	Issue Monitored: WFrag
2010-05-16 02:59	jfs	Note Added: 0006757
2010-05-16 21:21	WFrag	Note Added: 0006843
2010-05-16 23:35	WFrag	Note Added: 0006853
2010-05-16 23:51	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006854
2010-05-16 23:53	Footkerchief	Additional Information Updated	View Revisions
2010-06-03 12:20	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007626
2010-06-03 12:21	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0007626	View Revisions
2010-06-03 12:21	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-06-04 15:48	Eskarion	Note Added: 0007682
2010-06-04 17:20	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007684
2010-06-05 03:10	Eskarion	Note Edited: 0007682	View Revisions
2010-06-06 11:44	Leperous	Note Added: 0007812
2010-06-06 11:46	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0007813
2010-06-06 12:01	Leperous	Note Added: 0007814
2010-06-06 12:05	Leperous	Note Edited: 0007814	View Revisions
2010-06-06 12:17	Cel	Note Added: 0007817
2010-06-14 12:09	jeti0	Issue Monitored: jeti0
2010-06-22 09:17	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008958
2010-06-22 09:17	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2010-06-22 09:17	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => not fixable
2010-06-22 09:17	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2010-06-30 17:15	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur
2010-06-30 22:26	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002483
2010-07-01 20:35	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	duplicate of 0000332
2010-07-01 20:35	Footkerchief	Resolution	not fixable => duplicate
2010-07-09 21:06	oliver	Issue End Monitor: oliver
2010-08-10 00:12	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2011-03-10 17:39	snooptodd	Issue End Monitor: snooptodd

Notes
(0000380) shadow_slicer (reporter) 2010-04-02 19:54	screenshots of parts 3 and 4: http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~bhamilton3/pigiron.png [^] http://www.prism.gatech.edu/~bhamilton3/platinum.png [^] Also, before step 1 occurred, I encountered issue 0000025 (http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=25 [^]), so there is some chance it may be related.

(0000383) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-02 19:59	is it possible the recipe for steel has changed ?

(0000410) Asmodeous (reporter) 2010-04-02 21:06	...to require 150 black zircon bars?

(0000417) Quietust (reporter) 2010-04-02 21:20 edited on: 2010-04-02 21:20	Sounds like the raws may have gotten corrupted - back in 0.28.181.40d, adding/removing stuff without clearing out data/objects would often result in stuff like this ("olon Udilmat, Woodcutter cancels Make Coke From Bituminous Coal: Needs black opal."), but in 0.31 the game seems to not keep the precompiled raws around anymore. Does the situation improve if you save, exit, and reload?

(0000721) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-03 17:29	I had part (1) happen midway through a fort just now. No modified raws. Bituminous coal and lignite are now considered an "other" stone (see 0000332), I cannot add them to the smelter, and there are no reactions listed for them under the 'z'/Stone screen (usually it'll list the "make coke" reactions there)

(0000722) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-03 17:33	Save/exit/reload didn't help.

(0000723) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-03 17:33 edited on: 2010-04-03 17:40	If you found a large amount of flux (possibly ore too) in 40d it would set itself to be available (green) in the z - stone menu. The z - stone menu now has all stone in it (except obsidian), not just metal and economics, try going here and setting it back to red if necessary.

(0000726) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-03 17:47 edited on: 2010-04-03 17:48	This appears to be a Wine-induced bug. My fortress was started under Windows and played for a while. Later, I copied it to my linux install and played it under Wine. Then I noticed the reaction problems. If I go back to the original save from Windows and play it under Windows, the reactions are correct. If I take a fresh copy of that identical save and load it under Wine, the reactions are broken immediately on load. Guessing there is some problem with parsing the raws that only triggers when the wine libraries are used..

(0000808) shadow_slicer (reporter) 2010-04-04 00:19 edited on: 2010-04-04 00:22	Perhaps this problem is caused by switching between Wine and XP? For my first fort (started under Wine), it worked correctly under Wine, but then started having problems on XP. For the second fort (started under XP), it worked fine under XP, but then started having problems after switching to Wine. I tested the save from the first fort (from before switching to XP) and the save from the second fort (from before switching to Wine) under Wine. The problem is not present for the first fort, but is for the second fort.

(0002493) Creidieki (reporter) 2010-04-09 19:26	I had this problem when I played under wine, then scp'd the entire dwarf fortress folder to another linux computer, where I tried playing (under wine again). I tried preserving file permissions, and that didn't help.

(0002494) shadow_slicer (reporter) 2010-04-09 19:59	@Creidieki: Did you generate the fortress under XP or on Linux? My current hypothesis is that switching from Wine to XP or vice versa causes this. It would be nice to have evidence either way.

(0002629) Lesconrads (reporter) 2010-04-10 13:12	I just played on wine. No windows involved. I too have the problem of strange output-goods... iron mugs producing some siltstone mugs instead etc.

(0003251) Creidieki (reporter) 2010-04-13 07:27	shadow_slicer: Both of the computers involved were 64-bit Linux computers running Ubuntu. They may have been running different versions of wine, or differently-configured versions of wine; I'll try to check on that when I get home.

(0005125) CptFastbreak (reporter) 2010-04-26 08:59 edited on: 2010-04-28 09:17	It's most definitely not a Wine bug. I'm playing on WiXP32, and I had about the same thing happen WRT bituminous coal and lignite in a non-burrowed smelter. When I add the jobs via manager, I would get "Urist McSmelter cancels Make coal from Lignite - needs rock." I can still make steel with charcoal though. Saving and reloading did nothing. Edit: cross posted in 0000332 with some more information.

(0005142) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-26 10:45 edited on: 2010-04-26 10:45	The thing with bituminous coal and lignite is 0000332, which may or may not be related. I have a vague suspicion this has something to do with inconsistent handling of underscores/spaces in raw tokens: - PLATINUM comes immediately after PIG_IRON, the first metal with an underscore in the name - BLACK ZIRCON comes after QUARTZ_ROSE and CRYSTAL_ROCK, which are the first gems to use underscores However I can't find anything special about CASSITERITE, OPAL_BLACK and SILTSTONE. More testing is needed. If you get this bug, please make sure to report your OS and which precise material got substituted for which.

(0005665) snooptodd (reporter) 2010-04-29 09:21	trying to make pig iron tells me i need 150 chrysoberyl bars. wine v1.1.42 I am going to try turning off compress saves and see if that helps.

(0006361) snooptodd (reporter) 2010-05-07 08:47	turning off compress saves didn't help. new fort wanted sandstone bars for pig iron and steel.

(0006748) WFrag (reporter) 2010-05-15 22:53	Same issue with wine. The reactions are getting corrupted. I was switching back and forth to XP and Linux and reactions are corrupted/recovered again and again. However, I can't find clue what exactly recovers them (making some specific actions on XP and saving?).

(0006749) WFrag (reporter) 2010-05-15 23:29	Loaded under windows => everything is fine. I think, it is a memory corruption that is either: 1) occurs only under wine 2) under wine it hits the reactions due to the different memory layout. Under windows the corruption hits something else, not visible (?)

(0006757) jfs (reporter) 2010-05-16 02:59	Someone somewhere on the forum mentioned that the order in which reactions and materials are loaded seem to affect things, i.e. moving a material from one file to another might cause corruption. I'm thinking that this might relate to MS Windows and Wine returning lists of files in different order, so when DF searches the raws directory for materials and reactions, it finds them in different order on MS Windows and Wine, and this causes the corruption. I haven't actually tested this hypothesis.

(0006843) WFrag (reporter) 2010-05-16 21:21	Tested 0.31.4 (Linux version) => reactions seems to work fine.

(0006853) WFrag (reporter) 2010-05-16 23:35	Pig iron & steel seems to be ok, but bitumnous coal now requires chromite. So this is still an issue in 0.31.04

(0006854) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-16 23:51	Problems with bituminous coal and lignite are 0000332, which is not Wine-specific.

(0007626) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-03 12:20 edited on: 2010-06-03 12:21	Is anyone experiencing this problem in 31.04? (NOT the coal/lignite problems, which are 0000332)

(0007682) Eskarion (reporter) 2010-06-04 15:48 edited on: 2010-06-05 03:10	(edit: moved to the correct bug report)

(0007684) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-04 17:20	Again: Problems with bituminous coal and lignite are 0000332, which is not Wine-specific.

(0007812) Leperous (reporter) 2010-06-06 11:44	Still occuring in 31.05 in the native Linux version - adamantine wafer creation is missing from smelters, adding the jobs through the manager tells me that "15000 gypsum plaster thread" are needed to make them.

(0007813) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-06 11:46	Leperous, if that problem continues to happen after a save/load, you should definitely upload your save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0007814) Leperous (reporter) 2010-06-06 12:01 edited on: 2010-06-06 12:05	Hrm, just realised this is a reclaim on an old save (perhaps from 31.02) despite copying over the new RAW folder. Since it's not happening on fresh embarks I'll chalk it up to that for now, and repost if it pops up again.

(0007817) Cel (reporter) 2010-06-06 12:17	If you use windows saves in linux version you got weird errors. Like, need sand to make pig iron. Linux native 31.05 works fine (fedora 13 x86_64), steel making and coke making works fine. Don't know about adamantine yet

(0008958) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-22 09:17	Okay, we'll chalk this up to Wine issues. Hopefully it'll never show up again now that there's a native Linux version.