0002831: Human/elf diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue

(0010994)
slink (reporter)
2010-07-25 11:44
edited on: 2010-07-25 11:46

This was followed by the usual comment about how you've carved a nice place out for yourself, then the conversation ended with

"I look forward to our meeting next year. Our fortunes rise and fall together."

Nothing is ever discussed about trade agreements.

Edit: Then he left via the caverns!?

(0010995)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-25 11:45

Are you sure the human liaison was actually from a human civ, and not a human who grew up in the dwarven civ? The fastest way to check might be to backup the save, abandon the fortress and look him/her up in Legends.

(0010996)
slink (reporter)
2010-07-25 11:47

Yes, I am certain. This is from the gamelog.

The human Engraver Nitho Gasinronik from Mong Wisho has arrived.
A human caravan from Mong Wisho has arrived.

(0011027)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-07-25 16:14

Yeah, they should use the regular diplomat script but they are using the dwarf one instead. They aren't trade representatives, so they just do the boring war/peace type stuff (as with the old human diplomat). The trade nobility for humans has not been reconstructed.

(0011085)
furiousfish (reporter)
2010-07-26 09:42

The elf diplomat I got today used the dwarven greeting but then went on to demand I limit my tree-cutting (on a map with no trees), so that part seems to be working.

(0011765)
Volouscheur (reporter)
2010-08-13 12:17

I've experienced the same issue. The human and elf diplomats appear and start the dialogue with the usual dwarven greetings, but then act like you'd expect them to (the elf demands a limit of tree-cutting, the human commented on how it was a "nice little place you've carved out for yourself").

(0012236)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-08-29 15:04

It should be noted that this only occurs for diplomats that arrive at the same time as the caravans - once you get a Baron, the Human civilization will send a real Diplomat (even labeled as a "diplomat" in the arrival announcement rather than with its profession) who will use the correct introduction ("Greetings, noble dwarf. There is much to discuss.") and parting text ("It has been an honor, noble [dwarfname]. I bid you farewell."). Of course, due to 0002892, that diplomat will never come back.

(0012455)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-09-06 08:46

Reminder sent to: Toady One

I stickied this one, only because you mentioned you'd fix it in this release:

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62368.msg1430785#msg1430785 [^]

It isn't a major deal, but people (especially new people) are confusing diplomats and liaisons.

(0012465)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-09-07 02:46

This should be handled for 0.31.13.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-07-25 11:39	slink	New Issue
2010-07-25 11:44	slink	Note Added: 0010994
2010-07-25 11:45	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010995
2010-07-25 11:46	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-07-25 11:46	slink	Note Edited: 0010994	View Revisions
2010-07-25 11:47	slink	Note Added: 0010996
2010-07-25 11:52	Footkerchief	Summary	All Liaisons from Mountainhomes? => Human liaison/diplomat talks like he's from the Mountainhomes
2010-07-25 11:53	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-07-25 11:54	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001102
2010-07-25 11:55	Footkerchief	Summary	Human liaison/diplomat talks like he's from the Mountainhomes => Human liaison/diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue, doesn't offer trade agreement
2010-07-25 14:48	Footkerchief	Summary	Human liaison/diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue, doesn't offer trade agreement => Human/elf liaison/diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue, doesn't offer trade agreement
2010-07-25 16:14	Toady One	Note Added: 0011027
2010-07-25 16:14	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-07-25 16:14	Toady One	Status	new => acknowledged
2010-07-25 16:27	Footkerchief	Summary	Human/elf liaison/diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue, doesn't offer trade agreement => Human/elf diplomat uses Mountainhomes dialogue
2010-07-25 22:47	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002848
2010-07-26 09:42	furiousfish	Note Added: 0011085
2010-08-05 18:32	HebaruSan	Issue Monitored: HebaruSan
2010-08-13 12:17	Volouscheur	Note Added: 0011765
2010-08-13 14:30	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003019
2010-08-17 15:55	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003055
2010-08-29 13:04	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003118
2010-08-29 14:54	Areyar	Tag Attached: liason
2010-08-29 14:54	Areyar	Tag Attached: dialogue
2010-08-29 15:04	Quietust	Note Added: 0012236
2010-09-06 08:43	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2010-09-06 08:46	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0012455
2010-09-07 02:46	Toady One	Note Added: 0012465
2010-09-07 02:46	Toady One	Status	acknowledged => resolved
2010-09-07 02:46	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.13
2010-09-07 02:46	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-09-07 04:19	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2010-09-24 13:40	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003240
2010-11-06 08:53	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0003366

Notes
(0010994) slink (reporter) 2010-07-25 11:44 edited on: 2010-07-25 11:46	This was followed by the usual comment about how you've carved a nice place out for yourself, then the conversation ended with "I look forward to our meeting next year. Our fortunes rise and fall together." Nothing is ever discussed about trade agreements. Edit: Then he left via the caverns!?

(0010995) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-25 11:45	Are you sure the human liaison was actually from a human civ, and not a human who grew up in the dwarven civ? The fastest way to check might be to backup the save, abandon the fortress and look him/her up in Legends.

(0010996) slink (reporter) 2010-07-25 11:47	Yes, I am certain. This is from the gamelog. The human Engraver Nitho Gasinronik from Mong Wisho has arrived. A human caravan from Mong Wisho has arrived.

(0011027) Toady One (administrator) 2010-07-25 16:14	Yeah, they should use the regular diplomat script but they are using the dwarf one instead. They aren't trade representatives, so they just do the boring war/peace type stuff (as with the old human diplomat). The trade nobility for humans has not been reconstructed.

(0011085) furiousfish (reporter) 2010-07-26 09:42	The elf diplomat I got today used the dwarven greeting but then went on to demand I limit my tree-cutting (on a map with no trees), so that part seems to be working.

(0011765) Volouscheur (reporter) 2010-08-13 12:17	I've experienced the same issue. The human and elf diplomats appear and start the dialogue with the usual dwarven greetings, but then act like you'd expect them to (the elf demands a limit of tree-cutting, the human commented on how it was a "nice little place you've carved out for yourself").

(0012236) Quietust (reporter) 2010-08-29 15:04	It should be noted that this only occurs for diplomats that arrive at the same time as the caravans - once you get a Baron, the Human civilization will send a real Diplomat (even labeled as a "diplomat" in the arrival announcement rather than with its profession) who will use the correct introduction ("Greetings, noble dwarf. There is much to discuss.") and parting text ("It has been an honor, noble [dwarfname]. I bid you farewell."). Of course, due to 0002892, that diplomat will never come back.

(0012455) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-09-06 08:46	Reminder sent to: Toady One I stickied this one, only because you mentioned you'd fix it in this release: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62368.msg1430785#msg1430785 [^] It isn't a major deal, but people (especially new people) are confusing diplomats and liaisons.

(0012465) Toady One (administrator) 2010-09-07 02:46	This should be handled for 0.31.13.