0000351: Injured dwarf dies of thirst despite many idle healthcare workers and available water/buckets/etc

(0000874)
Morifen (reporter)
2010-04-04 09:23

I have this happening in my fort. It appears to happen if all unused buckets already contain water. I also have my dwarves mixing lye and water in the same bucket, but I'm not sure if that's related. Making new buckets results in the dwarves fetching water for the thirsty patients.

(0000877)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-04 09:33

it was not that uncommon for this to happen in 40d. given how common pathing issues are in the current release, this doesn't really surprise me.

And yes, I've had some dwarves die of thirst/starvation with a well stocked food stockpile and tons of idlers.

(0000881)
user891
2010-04-04 10:05

This only seems to happen because giving food/drink to a wounded dwarf is only attempted when that dwarf is resting on a bed.

(0000907)
Mephansteras (reporter)
2010-04-04 13:18

Just had this happen in my fort. The dwarf in question was waiting on a limb to be immobilized (I had plaster, but it wouldn't get moved to the hospital) which never happened. Perhaps that was the reason?

(0000908)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-04 13:21

0000194 talks about the plaster problem, apparently it's being stored in the wrong stockpile.

(0000947)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-04 15:55

While it was indeed common for injured dwarfs to die of thirst in 40d, I figure the healthcare changes means this is probably a new or different bug.

I think I had empty buckets available - my initial assumption was that I was short on buckets, so I made some more at the time. Also, other dwarfs were getting fed/watered OK, so it was something specific to just this dwarf. Finally, he was also starving to death and not getting fed either.

Sounds like the trigger may be if the dwarf is Resting somewhere not on a bed.

(0000948)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-04-04 16:13

I believe this happens when the dwarves is waiting to be diagnosed. As long as he's waiting nobody will fetch food and water for him and he won't even go for it himself. Once he gets diagnosed, he gets fed.

(0001670)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-06 21:45

I had an injured dwarf die of thirst just now.
It seems to be related to the fact that he is sleeping without a bed.
There are free buckets, other dwarves who are sleeping on beds got water without problems.
The dehydrated dwarf is already diagnosed, and my doctor is suturing him just fine. But noone ever gives water to him (and probably no food as well).

I have even tried save-scumming a few times. Tried designating hospital zone on him and deleting the zone - no effect. Tried making a small burrow containing only his tile, buckets stockpile and well, and assigning my doctor to this burrow - no effect, doctor was idle.
The only thing I have discovered that can save his life is interrupting his sleep by a cavein...

(0001684)
Kataklistika (reporter)
2010-04-06 22:51
edited on: 2010-04-06 23:03

I had the exact same thing happen to me as Rafal99 where my dwarf would not receive food or water when he was RESTING on the floor.

I had one bed placed and two more being hauled for construction in a room. I designated the room as a hospital zone and three of my five injured dwarves ran over to the room. Only one bed was constructed by the time the dwarves reached the room. Two dwarves jumped into the beds and the remaining dwarf propped himself onto the floor. The last bed was constructed shortly thereafter, but the dwarf on the floor wouldn't stop resting to get in. He later died of thirst.

Edit: Furthermore, his wounds couldn't be dressed by a doctor. The doc would grab cloth, stand over the dwarf, seem like he was working for a bit before taking the cloth and walking away and stashing the cloth. The injuries still weren't dressed. The process would repeat over and over again.

(0002216)
user891
2010-04-08 18:48

Kataklistika, your second part is a separate bug.

This bug is the issue that no one is making sure that injured dwarves are fed/watered in hospital if they are resting without a bed.

Rescuing dwarves needs to keep happening until they get to a bed.

(0003348)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-04-13 18:07

In the mean time, you can build beds under the dwarves who rest on ground. It helps!

(0003753)
JimboOmega (reporter)
2010-04-15 14:36

Confirmed this in 31.03 as being caused by dwarves in the hospital without lying on beds.

Also found building beds under dwarves fixes the problem.

(0003759)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-15 15:01

How do you build a bed under resting dwarf?
Won't it get cancelled with "Creature occupying site" message?

(0003789)
JimboOmega (reporter)
2010-04-15 20:23

Rafal99: I don't know, but I didn't get this message.

If there is something else under them (like a bag or coffer) you will have to deconstruct that to move the bed in.

(0004427)
Zas (reporter)
2010-04-21 03:58

Yeah, I have plenty of empty buckets, the dwarves ignore the wounded. Only when a new bucket is made it seems to somehow trigger the "treat the wounded" reaction.

(0004432)
RiceMunk (reporter)
2010-04-21 06:08

Had an injured dwarf die on me as well from thirst a while ago though I just thought it was due to the major hauling project all my dwarves were involved in at the time and them having messed up priorities where carrying rocks around is more important than tending the sick.
Don't know if the dead dwarf had been chucked out of his bed tho. A lot of my dwarves had been bunking on the hospital beds at least.

(0004479)
ercdvs (reporter)
2010-04-21 11:40

it seems that injured dwarves are ignored unless they are actually hauled into a bed in a hospital. They can starve / dehydrate / die of wounds until they are actually in the correct spot.

(0005307)
lucasup (reporter)
2010-04-27 01:30

I'm not getting this consistently enough to make a separate bug report,
but it seems that:

Prisoners do not always get fed/watered either, and I have had several die of dehydration with plenty of free dwarves/buckets.

They DO get fed/watered enough so that they all haven't died. I've seen it happen.

My prison is underneath the dining hall too, so everyone is pretty darn close to the prisoners. Just out of sight.

(0005330)
orgone (reporter)
2010-04-27 03:57

I've also had imprisoned dwarves starving/dying of thirst with all conditions to prevent this being met. (31.03)

(0005820)
teethering (reporter)
2010-05-01 08:48

Reporting similar problem with imprisoned dwarves dying of thirst/hunger even though buckets, food and drink are plenty available and about 50 idle dwarves are milling about.

(0006977)
gruftschreck (reporter)
2010-05-18 14:44
edited on: 2010-05-18 14:45

here is a save to go with this problem:
http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2371 [^]

you can either watch the dwarf "Cilob Nakutholon Delethatrid", resting on the traction bench in the hospital zone, die or remove the traction bench beneath him, wait for him going to get sth. to drink and eat and then occassionally going to bed to rest. (or a table or anything else - then remove this one again and place a bed under him, he will be fed then)

this is being confirmed for .04

(0007475)
tatterdemalian (reporter)
2010-05-29 20:21

Make sure the beds in the hospital zone are not set to create bedrooms ([q]uery the bed, and make sure you don't have the option to [a]ssign it to anyone). Injured dwarves will only rest in free beds (beds that aren't a part of bedrooms), and they have to rest in a free bed before other dwarves will begin bringing them water, and doctors will begin treating them. This could explain why the dwarves are not resting in the beds, and why they are not being treated or watered.

(0008473)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-06-15 01:29

Feeding/watering problems should be lessened for 0.31.07. There are a few reports I left open related to lack of treatment that I still need to check out.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-03 20:42	oliver	New Issue
2010-04-04 09:23	Morifen	Note Added: 0000874
2010-04-04 09:33	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000877
2010-04-04 10:05	user891	Note Added: 0000881
2010-04-04 13:18	Mephansteras	Note Added: 0000907
2010-04-04 13:21	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000908
2010-04-04 15:55	oliver	Note Added: 0000947
2010-04-04 16:13	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0000948
2010-04-06 21:45	Rafal99	Note Added: 0001670
2010-04-06 22:51	Kataklistika	Note Added: 0001684
2010-04-06 23:03	Kataklistika	Note Edited: 0001684	View Revisions
2010-04-08 18:48	user891	Note Added: 0002216
2010-04-08 18:51	Kennel	Tag Attached: buckets
2010-04-08 18:51	Kennel	Tag Attached: healthcare
2010-04-13 09:19	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001076
2010-04-13 18:07	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0003348
2010-04-15 14:36	JimboOmega	Note Added: 0003753
2010-04-15 15:01	Rafal99	Note Added: 0003759
2010-04-15 15:46	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-04-15 20:23	JimboOmega	Note Added: 0003789
2010-04-16 01:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001224
2010-04-16 22:13	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001263
2010-04-16 22:14	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001035
2010-04-16 22:15	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2010-04-21 03:58	Zas	Note Added: 0004427
2010-04-21 06:08	RiceMunk	Note Added: 0004432
2010-04-21 11:40	ercdvs	Note Added: 0004479
2010-04-21 12:10	JimboOmega	Issue Monitored: JimboOmega
2010-04-21 12:23	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000094
2010-04-27 01:30	lucasup	Note Added: 0005307
2010-04-27 03:57	orgone	Note Added: 0005330
2010-04-27 10:08	ultimate carl	Tag Attached: bed
2010-04-27 13:08	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001582
2010-05-01 08:48	teethering	Note Added: 0005820
2010-05-14 11:20	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001873
2010-05-14 13:31	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0001873
2010-05-18 14:44	gruftschreck	Note Added: 0006977
2010-05-18 14:45	gruftschreck	Note Edited: 0006977	View Revisions
2010-05-29 20:21	tatterdemalian	Note Added: 0007475
2010-06-08 16:18	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002218
2010-06-15 01:19	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0000094
2010-06-15 01:28	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0001582
2010-06-15 01:29	Toady One	Note Added: 0008473
2010-06-15 01:29	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-06-15 01:29	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.07
2010-06-15 01:29	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-06-15 01:29	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-06-15 08:05	Rafal99	Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2010-06-15 09:09	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2012-03-05 09:04	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0000094
2012-03-05 09:04	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0001582

Notes
(0000874) Morifen (reporter) 2010-04-04 09:23	I have this happening in my fort. It appears to happen if all unused buckets already contain water. I also have my dwarves mixing lye and water in the same bucket, but I'm not sure if that's related. Making new buckets results in the dwarves fetching water for the thirsty patients.

(0000877) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-04 09:33	it was not that uncommon for this to happen in 40d. given how common pathing issues are in the current release, this doesn't really surprise me. And yes, I've had some dwarves die of thirst/starvation with a well stocked food stockpile and tons of idlers.

(0000881) user891 2010-04-04 10:05	This only seems to happen because giving food/drink to a wounded dwarf is only attempted when that dwarf is resting on a bed.

(0000907) Mephansteras (reporter) 2010-04-04 13:18	Just had this happen in my fort. The dwarf in question was waiting on a limb to be immobilized (I had plaster, but it wouldn't get moved to the hospital) which never happened. Perhaps that was the reason?

(0000908) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-04 13:21	0000194 talks about the plaster problem, apparently it's being stored in the wrong stockpile.

(0000947) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-04 15:55	While it was indeed common for injured dwarfs to die of thirst in 40d, I figure the healthcare changes means this is probably a new or different bug. I think I had empty buckets available - my initial assumption was that I was short on buckets, so I made some more at the time. Also, other dwarfs were getting fed/watered OK, so it was something specific to just this dwarf. Finally, he was also starving to death and not getting fed either. Sounds like the trigger may be if the dwarf is Resting somewhere not on a bed.

(0000948) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-04-04 16:13	I believe this happens when the dwarves is waiting to be diagnosed. As long as he's waiting nobody will fetch food and water for him and he won't even go for it himself. Once he gets diagnosed, he gets fed.

(0001670) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-06 21:45	I had an injured dwarf die of thirst just now. It seems to be related to the fact that he is sleeping without a bed. There are free buckets, other dwarves who are sleeping on beds got water without problems. The dehydrated dwarf is already diagnosed, and my doctor is suturing him just fine. But noone ever gives water to him (and probably no food as well). I have even tried save-scumming a few times. Tried designating hospital zone on him and deleting the zone - no effect. Tried making a small burrow containing only his tile, buckets stockpile and well, and assigning my doctor to this burrow - no effect, doctor was idle. The only thing I have discovered that can save his life is interrupting his sleep by a cavein...

(0001684) Kataklistika (reporter) 2010-04-06 22:51 edited on: 2010-04-06 23:03	I had the exact same thing happen to me as Rafal99 where my dwarf would not receive food or water when he was RESTING on the floor. I had one bed placed and two more being hauled for construction in a room. I designated the room as a hospital zone and three of my five injured dwarves ran over to the room. Only one bed was constructed by the time the dwarves reached the room. Two dwarves jumped into the beds and the remaining dwarf propped himself onto the floor. The last bed was constructed shortly thereafter, but the dwarf on the floor wouldn't stop resting to get in. He later died of thirst. Edit: Furthermore, his wounds couldn't be dressed by a doctor. The doc would grab cloth, stand over the dwarf, seem like he was working for a bit before taking the cloth and walking away and stashing the cloth. The injuries still weren't dressed. The process would repeat over and over again.

(0002216) user891 2010-04-08 18:48	Kataklistika, your second part is a separate bug. This bug is the issue that no one is making sure that injured dwarves are fed/watered in hospital if they are resting without a bed. Rescuing dwarves needs to keep happening until they get to a bed.

(0003348) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-04-13 18:07	In the mean time, you can build beds under the dwarves who rest on ground. It helps!

(0003753) JimboOmega (reporter) 2010-04-15 14:36	Confirmed this in 31.03 as being caused by dwarves in the hospital without lying on beds. Also found building beds under dwarves fixes the problem.

(0003759) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-15 15:01	How do you build a bed under resting dwarf? Won't it get cancelled with "Creature occupying site" message?

(0003789) JimboOmega (reporter) 2010-04-15 20:23	Rafal99: I don't know, but I didn't get this message. If there is something else under them (like a bag or coffer) you will have to deconstruct that to move the bed in.

(0004427) Zas (reporter) 2010-04-21 03:58	Yeah, I have plenty of empty buckets, the dwarves ignore the wounded. Only when a new bucket is made it seems to somehow trigger the "treat the wounded" reaction.

(0004432) RiceMunk (reporter) 2010-04-21 06:08	Had an injured dwarf die on me as well from thirst a while ago though I just thought it was due to the major hauling project all my dwarves were involved in at the time and them having messed up priorities where carrying rocks around is more important than tending the sick. Don't know if the dead dwarf had been chucked out of his bed tho. A lot of my dwarves had been bunking on the hospital beds at least.

(0004479) ercdvs (reporter) 2010-04-21 11:40	it seems that injured dwarves are ignored unless they are actually hauled into a bed in a hospital. They can starve / dehydrate / die of wounds until they are actually in the correct spot.

(0005307) lucasup (reporter) 2010-04-27 01:30	I'm not getting this consistently enough to make a separate bug report, but it seems that: Prisoners do not always get fed/watered either, and I have had several die of dehydration with plenty of free dwarves/buckets. They DO get fed/watered enough so that they all haven't died. I've seen it happen. My prison is underneath the dining hall too, so everyone is pretty darn close to the prisoners. Just out of sight.

(0005330) orgone (reporter) 2010-04-27 03:57	I've also had imprisoned dwarves starving/dying of thirst with all conditions to prevent this being met. (31.03)

(0005820) teethering (reporter) 2010-05-01 08:48	Reporting similar problem with imprisoned dwarves dying of thirst/hunger even though buckets, food and drink are plenty available and about 50 idle dwarves are milling about.

(0006977) gruftschreck (reporter) 2010-05-18 14:44 edited on: 2010-05-18 14:45	here is a save to go with this problem: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2371 [^] you can either watch the dwarf "Cilob Nakutholon Delethatrid", resting on the traction bench in the hospital zone, die or remove the traction bench beneath him, wait for him going to get sth. to drink and eat and then occassionally going to bed to rest. (or a table or anything else - then remove this one again and place a bed under him, he will be fed then) this is being confirmed for .04

(0007475) tatterdemalian (reporter) 2010-05-29 20:21	Make sure the beds in the hospital zone are not set to create bedrooms ([q]uery the bed, and make sure you don't have the option to [a]ssign it to anyone). Injured dwarves will only rest in free beds (beds that aren't a part of bedrooms), and they have to rest in a free bed before other dwarves will begin bringing them water, and doctors will begin treating them. This could explain why the dwarves are not resting in the beds, and why they are not being treated or watered.

(0008473) Toady One (administrator) 2010-06-15 01:29	Feeding/watering problems should be lessened for 0.31.07. There are a few reports I left open related to lack of treatment that I still need to check out.