0000417: Axedwarf with missing hand wields shield and axe in same hand.

(0001579)
bowdown2q (reporter)
2010-04-06 14:15

maybe he's just badass like that; taped an axe to his shield and runs screaming into combat.

Reading the description, I thought he'd jammed the axe handle into his bloody stump.

(0001601)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-06 15:17
edited on: 2010-04-06 15:23

that's actually what I thought from the title as well.

(0001752)
Zas (reporter)
2010-04-07 08:49

Actually, maybe it's not a bug. I can totally imagine how someone could hang a shield on their arm an then take an axe with the same hand. In old versions I even had healthy dwarfs do this: like, having two bucklers, an axe and a shield.

(0010482)
OzoneGrif (reporter)
2010-07-17 01:21

I have this problem right now, on v31.10.

Indeed, I could imagine wearing a weapon in the hand and a buckler attached to the forearm, but I doubt it could be done with a shield.

Shield + Weapon in the same hand sound weird.

(0010498)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-17 09:12

Reminder sent to: d4ftfad, OzoneGrif

It would be helpful to upload saves demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0010499)
OzoneGrif (reporter)
2010-07-17 10:16

Uploaded : http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2715 [^]

(0010903)
OzoneGrif (reporter)
2010-07-24 05:34

for info, this is still present in v31.11 after testing the save.

(0010912)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-24 08:36

Thanks, that's helpful.

(0021628)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-03-20 19:48

Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0021743)
thvaz (reporter)
2012-03-26 09:27

This one will be difficult to test, but I will try to notice if this situation will arise.

(0021819)
kaypy (reporter)
2012-03-28 03:55
edited on: 2012-03-28 05:28

Hmm. Sounds like it should be reproducible if you can organize a one handed dwarf. Lets see what happens if I embark with 6 dabbling axedwarves and a surgeon...

[edit]
It's harder than it sounds to remove a dwarf's hand without removing them from this mortal coil altogether

(0022810)
Kogut (reporter)
2012-06-02 03:35

related to 0001000: Militia commander grabs all new weapons in the same hand.

(0022813)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2012-06-02 14:10

It would probably be easier to mod a game so that all dwarves have only one hand. Go into raw/objects/body_default.txt and edit [BODY:HUMANOID] to remove the tags for the left arm and left hand (or right arm and right hand).

(0022818)
caldfir (reporter)
2012-06-03 02:13

Noticed this in a recent reclaim. Dwarf lost the hand years ago, but is still shuffling about pretty much as effective as ever.

I think that the axe was assigned before the dwarf was injured, but he didn't get around to picking it up until after recovering from his injuries.

behold: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6417 [^]

(0026345)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2014-07-14 11:45
edited on: 2014-07-14 11:46

Bug still exists as of 40.02, but it's morphed a bit. Here are my findings

In the arena, chopping off a shield arm makes it impossible to unsheath (q) my shield. It complains I need a free grasp

However, I can remove (r) the shield (or pick up (g) a shield on the ground), which allows me to hold both a sword and shield with one hand. I can then attack and block with it.

Despite that, once I give the dwarf back to the AI it appears they auto-sheath if there are no enemies. Then if I attack that same dwarf - the one with a missing hand - they can unsheath the sword but not the shield.

I'd conclude that so long as sheathing/unsheathing is a regular mechanism that all NPCs use, I'd assume people will rarely encounter this bug in practice, as a "grasp check" happens each time

Finally, I can confirm that after dwarves pickup equipment in fortress mode, they sheath it when not in combat

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-04 13:38	d4ftfad	New Issue
2010-04-04 16:54	Qloos	Tag Attached: Equipment
2010-04-04 16:54	Qloos	Tag Attached: multi wield
2010-04-06 10:01	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-04-06 12:43	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2010-04-06 12:45	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2010-04-06 14:15	bowdown2q	Note Added: 0001579
2010-04-06 15:17	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0001601
2010-04-06 15:23	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0001601	View Revisions
2010-04-07 08:49	Zas	Note Added: 0001752
2010-07-17 01:21	OzoneGrif	Note Added: 0010482
2010-07-17 09:11	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010497
2010-07-17 09:12	Footkerchief	Note Deleted: 0010497
2010-07-17 09:12	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: OzoneGrif
2010-07-17 09:12	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010498
2010-07-17 10:16	OzoneGrif	Note Added: 0010499
2010-07-24 05:34	OzoneGrif	Note Added: 0010903
2010-07-24 08:36	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0010912
2010-12-01 01:15	rampagingpoet	Issue Monitored: rampagingpoet
2012-03-20 19:48	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0021628
2012-03-26 09:26	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2012-03-26 09:27	thvaz	Note Added: 0021743
2012-03-26 09:27	thvaz	Issue End Monitor: thvaz
2012-03-26 09:27	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2012-03-28 03:55	kaypy	Note Added: 0021819
2012-03-28 05:28	kaypy	Note Edited: 0021819	View Revisions
2012-06-02 03:35	Kogut	Note Added: 0022810
2012-06-02 14:10	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0022813
2012-06-03 02:13	caldfir	Note Added: 0022818
2014-07-14 11:45	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0026345
2014-07-14 11:46	SirPenguin	Note Edited: 0026345	View Revisions
2018-04-13 13:03	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0001579) bowdown2q (reporter) 2010-04-06 14:15	maybe he's just badass like that; taped an axe to his shield and runs screaming into combat. Reading the description, I thought he'd jammed the axe handle into his bloody stump.

(0001601) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-06 15:17 edited on: 2010-04-06 15:23	that's actually what I thought from the title as well.

(0001752) Zas (reporter) 2010-04-07 08:49	Actually, maybe it's not a bug. I can totally imagine how someone could hang a shield on their arm an then take an axe with the same hand. In old versions I even had healthy dwarfs do this: like, having two bucklers, an axe and a shield.

(0010482) OzoneGrif (reporter) 2010-07-17 01:21	I have this problem right now, on v31.10. Indeed, I could imagine wearing a weapon in the hand and a buckler attached to the forearm, but I doubt it could be done with a shield. Shield + Weapon in the same hand sound weird.

(0010498) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-17 09:12	Reminder sent to: d4ftfad, OzoneGrif It would be helpful to upload saves demonstrating this problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^]

(0010499) OzoneGrif (reporter) 2010-07-17 10:16	Uploaded : http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2715 [^]

(0010903) OzoneGrif (reporter) 2010-07-24 05:34	for info, this is still present in v31.11 after testing the save.

(0010912) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-24 08:36	Thanks, that's helpful.

(0021628) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-03-20 19:48	Toady may need an up-to-date save (0.34.02+) to fix this problem. It would be helpful for someone to upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0021743) thvaz (reporter) 2012-03-26 09:27	This one will be difficult to test, but I will try to notice if this situation will arise.

(0021819) kaypy (reporter) 2012-03-28 03:55 edited on: 2012-03-28 05:28	Hmm. Sounds like it should be reproducible if you can organize a one handed dwarf. Lets see what happens if I embark with 6 dabbling axedwarves and a surgeon... [edit] It's harder than it sounds to remove a dwarf's hand without removing them from this mortal coil altogether

(0022810) Kogut (reporter) 2012-06-02 03:35	related to 0001000: Militia commander grabs all new weapons in the same hand.

(0022813) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2012-06-02 14:10	It would probably be easier to mod a game so that all dwarves have only one hand. Go into raw/objects/body_default.txt and edit [BODY:HUMANOID] to remove the tags for the left arm and left hand (or right arm and right hand).

(0022818) caldfir (reporter) 2012-06-03 02:13	Noticed this in a recent reclaim. Dwarf lost the hand years ago, but is still shuffling about pretty much as effective as ever. I think that the axe was assigned before the dwarf was injured, but he didn't get around to picking it up until after recovering from his injuries. behold: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6417 [^]

(0026345) SirPenguin (reporter) 2014-07-14 11:45 edited on: 2014-07-14 11:46	Bug still exists as of 40.02, but it's morphed a bit. Here are my findings In the arena, chopping off a shield arm makes it impossible to unsheath (q) my shield. It complains I need a free grasp However, I can remove (r) the shield (or pick up (g) a shield on the ground), which allows me to hold both a sword and shield with one hand. I can then attack and block with it. Despite that, once I give the dwarf back to the AI it appears they auto-sheath if there are no enemies. Then if I attack that same dwarf - the one with a missing hand - they can unsheath the sword but not the shield. I'd conclude that so long as sheathing/unsheathing is a regular mechanism that all NPCs use, I'd assume people will rarely encounter this bug in practice, as a "grasp check" happens each time Finally, I can confirm that after dwarves pickup equipment in fortress mode, they sheath it when not in combat