0004230: bucket with water inside becomes unusable

(0016264)
Infiltrator (reporter)
2011-03-15 04:50

Could you please upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] ?

Also, can you dump the water/buckets? You should be able to designate the water inside the bucket for dumping by going into the detailed item view, and pressing enter to view the item inside the bucket (water) and then pressing D.

(0016277)
HammerDave (reporter)
2011-03-15 09:41
edited on: 2011-03-15 09:47

I've had this one for a while, assumed it was already reported.

Additional details:
* The buckets with stuff in them won't go to stockpiles.
* The buckets cannot be reused. You have to make more buckets.
* Haven't tried designating the buckets to be sold to a caravan, will try that
* Designating the water to dump (by going inside the bucket's details) does not create a dump item job.
* Designating the bucket for dump does cause it to go to the garbage zone, but the contents are still there.

Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3972 [^]

(0016278)
NPRSem (reporter)
2011-03-15 09:50

I designate water for dumping trough detail view and trough stock menu. It stays there it is. Right now I don't have save with watered buckets right now, deal with all of them as describe. I will try to recreate situation and try to keep an eye on "pool of water" thing.
Also I check barrels. Only affect I notice is barrels with tallow get part of it changed to "tallow laced with water".

(0016279)
HammerDave (reporter)
2011-03-15 09:51

see also 1570, probable dup. And 1570 suggests putting the buckets outside in freezing weather and then dumping the resulting ice -- have not tried that.

(0016319)
Infiltrator (reporter)
2011-03-17 03:44

0001570

HammerDave: put a # in front of the number to make it link automatically.

(0016321)
AbuDhabi (reporter)
2011-03-17 03:53

AFAIK, buckets with water in them are useful for working around the Apply Cast healthcare bug, but that's supposedly fixed in .22 according to the change log.

(0016386)
NPRSem (reporter)
2011-03-20 04:50

OK. I get the moment and reproduce issue. I have lye bucket filled with 1 lye and 9 water. I will try to use method mentioned in 0001570 with pond.
Also I discover new issue. I have pile of dimple dye flying in air and pool of dwarven rum...

(0016388)
Quietust (reporter)
2011-03-20 12:18

The "trade depot" method of emptying buckets involves forbidding the contents of the bucket that you want to remove - once the bucket is picked up to be brought to the depot, any forbidden items inside will be dumped on the floor while unforbidden stuff will remain in place.

(0016613)
NPRSem (reporter)
2011-03-26 00:40
edited on: 2011-03-26 00:44

I play few years and look closely how buckets are used. My first statement about rain was false. Rain drops not involved into this bug.

job fill pond - require empty bucket
job give water - require empty bucket
job milk creature - require empty bucket
job make lye - *require not lye/milk bucket*

So I get a moment then lye maker get half filled with watr bucked and make a lye inside it. The bucked becomes unusable since it contain water and lye at once.
If you want get water in bucket initiate "fill pond", "give water" or other activity and interrupt it after bucket get filled with water. You can get "stagnant water" from "murky pool" water source.
I still didn't get how to get bucket with less than 10 units of water, but i sure it is because of clean job.

Also I recheck forbidding content with trade deport involved. I made "a pool of lye", "a pool of water", "a pool of llama milk", "a pool of dwarwen wine" ... it is fun but useless. At this point all except lye and water are vapored or cleaned out, and no liquids spread out like "a pool of buzzard blood". Also "a pile of dimple dye" and "a pile of gypsum plaster" still float in air near my dump pit.

(0016723)
NPRSem (reporter)
2011-03-28 09:43

Just verified. This bug still exist in 0.31.25
Load save, wait till appear bucket with less than 10 water units, forbid all other buckets, add make lye job to ashery ... now I have brand new bucket with 8 water units and one lye unit.

(0016726)
RossM (reporter)
2011-03-28 10:16

Water and lye getting mixed is 0001236.

(0016852)
NPRSem (reporter)
2011-03-31 08:16

Thank you RossM.
also check 0003066 0001324

"But nothing ever happens,
And I wonder"

I think change to fix this bug is trivial. How can I increase priority?

(0020937)
crossmr (reporter)
2012-02-29 20:58

34.03 this is still an issue. I've got 3 or 4 buckets laying around my hospital with "stagnant" water in them. We should be able to designate a "liquid" dump or something like that.

(0028530)
Kirkegaard (reporter)
2014-08-07 10:19

Still in 0.40.6

(0029569)
Skid (reporter)
2014-08-24 09:09

Still in 0.40.09.

(0029596)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-24 20:40

Reminder sent to: Kirkegaard, Skid

Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0031609)
ptb_ptb (reporter)
2014-12-31 04:58

Huh, I'm pretty sure I've dumped water from out of partially filled buckets. Usually part-filled buckets will be found dropped near hospitals or where workers had water brought to them. If you designate the water inside to be dumped the empty bucket gets taken back to the furniture stockpile or wherever like usual.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-15 02:47	NPRSem	New Issue
2011-03-15 04:50	Infiltrator	Note Added: 0016264
2011-03-15 04:50	Infiltrator	Issue Monitored: Infiltrator
2011-03-15 09:41	HammerDave	Note Added: 0016277
2011-03-15 09:47	HammerDave	Note Edited: 0016277	View Revisions
2011-03-15 09:47	HammerDave	Tag Attached: stagnant water bucket
2011-03-15 09:50	NPRSem	Note Added: 0016278
2011-03-15 09:51	HammerDave	Note Added: 0016279
2011-03-15 09:53	NPRSem	Issue Monitored: NPRSem
2011-03-17 03:44	Infiltrator	Note Added: 0016319
2011-03-17 03:53	AbuDhabi	Note Added: 0016321
2011-03-17 07:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001570
2011-03-20 04:50	NPRSem	Note Added: 0016386
2011-03-20 10:32	Rhenaya	Issue Monitored: Rhenaya
2011-03-20 12:18	Quietust	Note Added: 0016388
2011-03-26 00:40	NPRSem	Note Added: 0016613
2011-03-26 00:44	NPRSem	Note Edited: 0016613	View Revisions
2011-03-28 09:43	NPRSem	Note Added: 0016723
2011-03-28 09:44	NPRSem	Tag Attached: 0.31.25
2011-03-28 10:16	RossM	Note Added: 0016726
2011-03-31 08:16	NPRSem	Note Added: 0016852
2011-09-03 08:28	salajander	Issue Monitored: salajander
2011-09-06 09:33	NPRSem	Tag Attached: bucket
2011-09-06 09:34	NPRSem	Tag Attached: lye
2011-09-06 09:34	NPRSem	Tag Attached: water
2012-02-26 11:47	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-02-29 20:58	crossmr	Note Added: 0020937
2012-05-14 12:04	SmileyMan	Issue Monitored: SmileyMan
2013-12-07 05:18	Thundercraft	Issue Monitored: Thundercraft
2014-01-22 08:35	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0001570
2014-01-22 08:35	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2014-01-26 10:17	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006038
2014-01-27 20:13	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002505
2014-08-03 13:00	Kirkegaard	Issue Monitored: Kirkegaard
2014-08-03 13:49	4maskwolf	Issue Monitored: 4maskwolf
2014-08-04 05:05	Steb	Issue Monitored: Steb
2014-08-07 10:19	Kirkegaard	Note Added: 0028530
2014-08-24 09:09	Skid	Note Added: 0029569
2014-08-24 20:40	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Skid
2014-08-24 20:40	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0029596
2014-09-28 07:02	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007690
2014-12-31 04:58	ptb_ptb	Note Added: 0031609
2014-12-31 07:51	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-12-31 07:51	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2016-09-23 05:53	Kirkegaard	Issue End Monitor: Kirkegaard

Notes
(0016264) Infiltrator (reporter) 2011-03-15 04:50	Could you please upload a save to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] ? Also, can you dump the water/buckets? You should be able to designate the water inside the bucket for dumping by going into the detailed item view, and pressing enter to view the item inside the bucket (water) and then pressing D.

(0016277) HammerDave (reporter) 2011-03-15 09:41 edited on: 2011-03-15 09:47	I've had this one for a while, assumed it was already reported. Additional details: * The buckets with stuff in them won't go to stockpiles. * The buckets cannot be reused. You have to make more buckets. * Haven't tried designating the buckets to be sold to a caravan, will try that * Designating the water to dump (by going inside the bucket's details) does not create a dump item job. * Designating the bucket for dump does cause it to go to the garbage zone, but the contents are still there. Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=3972 [^]

(0016278) NPRSem (reporter) 2011-03-15 09:50	I designate water for dumping trough detail view and trough stock menu. It stays there it is. Right now I don't have save with watered buckets right now, deal with all of them as describe. I will try to recreate situation and try to keep an eye on "pool of water" thing. Also I check barrels. Only affect I notice is barrels with tallow get part of it changed to "tallow laced with water".

(0016279) HammerDave (reporter) 2011-03-15 09:51	see also 1570, probable dup. And 1570 suggests putting the buckets outside in freezing weather and then dumping the resulting ice -- have not tried that.

(0016319) Infiltrator (reporter) 2011-03-17 03:44	0001570 HammerDave: put a # in front of the number to make it link automatically.

(0016321) AbuDhabi (reporter) 2011-03-17 03:53	AFAIK, buckets with water in them are useful for working around the Apply Cast healthcare bug, but that's supposedly fixed in .22 according to the change log.

(0016386) NPRSem (reporter) 2011-03-20 04:50	OK. I get the moment and reproduce issue. I have lye bucket filled with 1 lye and 9 water. I will try to use method mentioned in 0001570 with pond. Also I discover new issue. I have pile of dimple dye flying in air and pool of dwarven rum...

(0016388) Quietust (reporter) 2011-03-20 12:18	The "trade depot" method of emptying buckets involves forbidding the contents of the bucket that you want to remove - once the bucket is picked up to be brought to the depot, any forbidden items inside will be dumped on the floor while unforbidden stuff will remain in place.

(0016613) NPRSem (reporter) 2011-03-26 00:40 edited on: 2011-03-26 00:44	I play few years and look closely how buckets are used. My first statement about rain was false. Rain drops not involved into this bug. job fill pond - require empty bucket job give water - require empty bucket job milk creature - require empty bucket job make lye - require not lye/milk bucket So I get a moment then lye maker get half filled with watr bucked and make a lye inside it. The bucked becomes unusable since it contain water and lye at once. If you want get water in bucket initiate "fill pond", "give water" or other activity and interrupt it after bucket get filled with water. You can get "stagnant water" from "murky pool" water source. I still didn't get how to get bucket with less than 10 units of water, but i sure it is because of clean job. Also I recheck forbidding content with trade deport involved. I made "a pool of lye", "a pool of water", "a pool of llama milk", "a pool of dwarwen wine" ... it is fun but useless. At this point all except lye and water are vapored or cleaned out, and no liquids spread out like "a pool of buzzard blood". Also "a pile of dimple dye" and "a pile of gypsum plaster" still float in air near my dump pit.

(0016723) NPRSem (reporter) 2011-03-28 09:43	Just verified. This bug still exist in 0.31.25 Load save, wait till appear bucket with less than 10 water units, forbid all other buckets, add make lye job to ashery ... now I have brand new bucket with 8 water units and one lye unit.

(0016726) RossM (reporter) 2011-03-28 10:16	Water and lye getting mixed is 0001236.

(0016852) NPRSem (reporter) 2011-03-31 08:16	Thank you RossM. also check 0003066 0001324 "But nothing ever happens, And I wonder" I think change to fix this bug is trivial. How can I increase priority?

(0020937) crossmr (reporter) 2012-02-29 20:58	34.03 this is still an issue. I've got 3 or 4 buckets laying around my hospital with "stagnant" water in them. We should be able to designate a "liquid" dump or something like that.

(0028530) Kirkegaard (reporter) 2014-08-07 10:19	Still in 0.40.6

(0029569) Skid (reporter) 2014-08-24 09:09	Still in 0.40.09.

(0029596) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-24 20:40	Reminder sent to: Kirkegaard, Skid Please upload a save that demonstrates the problem to http://dffd.wimbli.com/ [^] and post the link here.

(0031609) ptb_ptb (reporter) 2014-12-31 04:58	Huh, I'm pretty sure I've dumped water from out of partially filled buckets. Usually part-filled buckets will be found dropped near hospitals or where workers had water brought to them. If you designate the water inside to be dumped the empty bucket gets taken back to the furniture stockpile or wherever like usual.