0004316: Historical figures "never married" if they (or their spouse) became the spouse of a night creature

(0016519)
Footkerchief (manager)
2011-03-24 11:38

I think I understand the report, but I can't parse the summary -- what was it meant to be?

(0016520)
RossM (reporter)
2011-03-24 14:03

Notable persons becoming night creature spouses causes weirdness in civilization leader list?

(0016524)
RossM (reporter)
2011-03-24 15:08

This appears to be related to 0003952

(0016604)
slink (reporter)
2011-03-25 17:04
edited on: 2011-03-25 17:05

It's more related to the other two that I mentioned, in that it seems to be a side-effect of someone turning into a night creature spouse and retroactively changing past events or relationships.

Also, when the king itself becomes a night creature spouse, the resulting night creature children show up as royal offspring.

Sorry that it wasn't very coherent.

(0016643)
Kumquat (reporter)
2011-03-26 13:26

Furthermore, civilizations whose king became night creature spouse never get a new king (unless, possibly, someone or something manages to kill the beast).

(0016660)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-03-27 05:45

Do you have a save where that happened, Kumquat? In every case I've seen, the "nightified" ruler was replaced at the beginning of the next year.

(0016815)
Kumquat (reporter)
2011-03-30 14:21

Oops, my bad. The civilization event log actually indicates that the king was a night creature spouse right from the beginning...

"In 1, the twisted hag spouse Tun Justicebooks the Tenebrous Murky Skull became the king of The Violent Oar."

In fortress mode, "this civilization has no important leaders."

I guess I'll have to keep playing and find out what happens when the fort becomes capital...

(0016817)
Knight Otu (manager)
2011-03-30 14:30

Well, no, he wasn't a night creature from the beginning, see bug 0003563. He started as a dwarf, then later was turned into a night creature. If your civilization has no important leaders, then it ceased to exist at some point for some reason. I think you should be able to export the region world history file from Dwarf mode with the Export Local Image option, so you could check where the line of kings ended for your civilization.

(0016822)
Kumquat (reporter)
2011-03-30 15:17

Oh, indeed, I forgot about that.

Let's see. This merits closer investigation.

Oh dear, every historical figure has starved to death. This probably means everyone else as well. Every king and queen after the one that got dwarfnapped survived about one year and then starved, last one at 11. This means the merchants just pop up from thick air every year and the outpost liaison is just a dirty condwarf and the vagrants are just exiles from other dwarf civilizations.

(0016824)
Granite26 (reporter)
2011-03-30 18:44

I imagine there are some intentional holes for Dracula to drive through.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-03-24 10:26	slink	New Issue
2011-03-24 11:38	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0016519
2011-03-24 14:03	RossM	Note Added: 0016520
2011-03-24 14:12	Footkerchief	Summary	Civilization Leader List Made Strange Someone Becoming Night Creature Spouse => Historical figures "never married" if they or their spouse got abducted by a night creature
2011-03-24 14:12	Footkerchief	Summary	Historical figures "never married" if they or their spouse got abducted by a night creature => Historical figures "never married" if they (or their spouse) became the spouse of a night creature
2011-03-24 15:08	RossM	Note Added: 0016524
2011-03-24 16:57	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003952
2011-03-25 17:04	slink	Note Added: 0016604
2011-03-25 17:05	slink	Note Edited: 0016604	View Revisions
2011-03-25 17:07	Footkerchief	Description Updated	View Revisions
2011-03-25 17:07	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003563
2011-03-25 17:07	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003091
2011-03-26 13:26	Kumquat	Note Added: 0016643
2011-03-27 05:45	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0016660
2011-03-30 14:21	Kumquat	Note Added: 0016815
2011-03-30 14:30	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0016817
2011-03-30 15:17	Kumquat	Note Added: 0016822
2011-03-30 18:44	Granite26	Note Added: 0016824
2013-03-04 02:53	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	related to 0003091

Notes
(0016519) Footkerchief (manager) 2011-03-24 11:38	I think I understand the report, but I can't parse the summary -- what was it meant to be?

(0016520) RossM (reporter) 2011-03-24 14:03	Notable persons becoming night creature spouses causes weirdness in civilization leader list?

(0016524) RossM (reporter) 2011-03-24 15:08	This appears to be related to 0003952

(0016604) slink (reporter) 2011-03-25 17:04 edited on: 2011-03-25 17:05	It's more related to the other two that I mentioned, in that it seems to be a side-effect of someone turning into a night creature spouse and retroactively changing past events or relationships. Also, when the king itself becomes a night creature spouse, the resulting night creature children show up as royal offspring. Sorry that it wasn't very coherent.

(0016643) Kumquat (reporter) 2011-03-26 13:26	Furthermore, civilizations whose king became night creature spouse never get a new king (unless, possibly, someone or something manages to kill the beast).

(0016660) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-03-27 05:45	Do you have a save where that happened, Kumquat? In every case I've seen, the "nightified" ruler was replaced at the beginning of the next year.

(0016815) Kumquat (reporter) 2011-03-30 14:21	Oops, my bad. The civilization event log actually indicates that the king was a night creature spouse right from the beginning... "In 1, the twisted hag spouse Tun Justicebooks the Tenebrous Murky Skull became the king of The Violent Oar." In fortress mode, "this civilization has no important leaders." I guess I'll have to keep playing and find out what happens when the fort becomes capital...

(0016817) Knight Otu (manager) 2011-03-30 14:30	Well, no, he wasn't a night creature from the beginning, see bug 0003563. He started as a dwarf, then later was turned into a night creature. If your civilization has no important leaders, then it ceased to exist at some point for some reason. I think you should be able to export the region world history file from Dwarf mode with the Export Local Image option, so you could check where the line of kings ended for your civilization.

(0016822) Kumquat (reporter) 2011-03-30 15:17	Oh, indeed, I forgot about that. Let's see. This merits closer investigation. Oh dear, every historical figure has starved to death. This probably means everyone else as well. Every king and queen after the one that got dwarfnapped survived about one year and then starved, last one at 11. This means the merchants just pop up from thick air every year and the outpost liaison is just a dirty condwarf and the vagrants are just exiles from other dwarf civilizations.

(0016824) Granite26 (reporter) 2011-03-30 18:44	I imagine there are some intentional holes for Dracula to drive through.