0005084: Jeweler able to cut/encrust all stone as well as gems

(0019583)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-14 18:20
edited on: 2012-02-14 20:22

Yeah, it's intended: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html#2011-06-13 [^]

(0019589)
barconis (reporter)
2012-02-14 20:07

Is there a specific mention of this change anywhere? Your note had bad links referring to crafting/decorating with bone, which had no apparent relation to the topic. My search fu isn't finding a discussion of the subject in the forums, other than mention that cuts were added. I suppose it's another way to use up surplus stone/train jewelers without using actual gems of value...

(0019591)
Footkerchief (manager)
2012-02-14 20:26
edited on: 2012-02-14 20:27

Ugh, that link imploded -- it's fixed now, but here's the relevant text:

"The cabochon rewrite extended to allowing each entity to pick from among the shapes defined in the raws for all of their gem cutting purposes, with different entries for non-precious stones vs. gems (to keep them cabochon'd on rock, we can handle exceptions later)."

If you check entity_default.txt, stone cabochons are explicitly allowed:

    [STONE_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
    [STONE_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
    [STONE_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
    [STONE_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
    [GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON]
    [GEM_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON]
    [GEM_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON]
    [GEM_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON]
    [GEM_SHAPE:POINT_CUT_GEM]
    [GEM_SHAPE:TABLE_CUT_GEM]
    etc...

(0019885)
NW_Kohaku (reporter)
2012-02-16 18:04
edited on: 2012-02-16 18:04

There is a problem with the stones being cut like gems - glazes are considered "stones". This means that I glaze a clay statue with "oval ash glaze cabochons".

See: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5201 [^]

(0020006)
Pickled Tink (reporter)
2012-02-17 19:42

I have cut sandy clay, clay loam, and fire clay I imported. I then encrusted a bucket with them.

"This is a chestnut bucket. The handle is made from sandy clay. On the item is a image of a cage in fire clay by iteb Lularrith. On the item is a well-designed image of a traction bench in clay loam by iteb Lularrith."

cutting the imported clay left it as "fire clay" or "sandy clay", but it is treated as cut in the menus and lost its imported status.

I sincerely doubt this was intended behaviour.

(0030789)
JayJayForce (reporter)
2014-10-29 14:26

Confirmed for 0.40.14

Was able to cut Sandy Clay and Clay loam. Description did not change after they were cut, but they were placed into gem stockpile.

(0031466)
Detros (manager)
2014-12-24 15:30
edited on: 2014-12-24 15:57

Confirmed in 0.40.21. Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10313 [^]

I am cutting granite into all those four cabochons and storing them in gem stockpile. Their name and description changed when they have been cut, so it is not like at JayJayForce's place.

I have also managed to encrust some furniture in these cabochons. The description of the final item (<<*mica mechanisms*>>) is a bit weird, though:
"This is a superior quality mica mechanisms. On the item is a image of a cushion cabochon in granite by Onul Morulunal." That's a job for another bug report if there is none such yet.

(0031467)
Larix2 (reporter)
2014-12-24 20:28
edited on: 2014-12-24 20:36

Cutting of _stones_ is intended, i.e. it is no bug and shouldn't be "confirmed".

I can't see a problem with the item description either, apart from "a image".

I think the issue should be closed or renamed to reflect that the only actual bug remaining is 0005275 - clay can be cut, but gives a no-flavour "clay" gem that can be used for encrusting but has no entry in the gem stockpile. That one has been present since .34.x and exists in .40.22, as well.

(0031468)
Detros (manager)
2014-12-25 03:49
edited on: 2014-12-25 12:05

@Larix2: I was confirming cutting of stones still works so yes, this report can probably be closed. And if only that cut clay lacks the change of description, let's move to that 0005275.

Also, I have thought it should be "a(n) image of SOMETHING MADE FROM cushion cabochon in granite" rather than "a(n) image of cushion cabochon in granite". Or did encrust description change in this way? I have thought it was not like this in 0.34 I used to play?

Edit: Moved this grammar stuff to 0008664.

(0033747)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-10 15:18

This can be closed, right?

(0035212)
lethosor (manager)
2016-05-17 17:06

PM me or another manager on the forums if this should be reopened.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2012-02-14 17:16	barconis	New Issue
2012-02-14 18:20	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019583
2012-02-14 18:20	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2012-02-14 18:20	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2012-02-14 18:20	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2012-02-14 20:07	barconis	Note Added: 0019589
2012-02-14 20:07	barconis	Status	resolved => needs feedback
2012-02-14 20:07	barconis	Resolution	no change required => reopened
2012-02-14 20:22	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0019583	View Revisions
2012-02-14 20:26	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0019591
2012-02-14 20:27	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0019591	View Revisions
2012-02-14 20:27	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0019591	View Revisions
2012-02-15 07:15	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005115
2012-02-15 07:15	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Footkerchief =>
2012-02-15 07:15	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => new
2012-02-15 07:15	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2012-02-15 07:15	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005109
2012-02-15 07:16	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2012-02-15 07:17	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Toady One
2012-02-16 18:04	NW_Kohaku	Note Added: 0019885
2012-02-16 18:04	NW_Kohaku	Note Edited: 0019885	View Revisions
2012-02-17 19:42	Pickled Tink	Note Added: 0020006
2012-02-19 02:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005275
2012-03-02 17:31	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005526
2012-03-02 17:31	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: zombiejustice
2012-03-02 17:32	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0005527
2014-10-29 14:26	JayJayForce	Note Added: 0030789
2014-10-29 17:03	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-10-29 17:03	Footkerchief	Status	new => confirmed
2014-12-24 15:30	Detros	Note Added: 0031466
2014-12-24 15:33	Detros	Issue Monitored: Detros
2014-12-24 15:57	Detros	Note Edited: 0031466	View Revisions
2014-12-24 20:28	Larix2	Note Added: 0031467
2014-12-24 20:35	Larix2	Note Edited: 0031467	View Revisions
2014-12-24 20:36	Larix2	Note Edited: 0031467	View Revisions
2014-12-25 03:49	Detros	Note Added: 0031468
2014-12-25 12:05	Detros	Note Edited: 0031468	View Revisions
2015-12-10 15:18	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033747
2016-05-17 17:06	lethosor	Note Added: 0035212
2016-05-17 17:06	lethosor	Status	confirmed => resolved
2016-05-17 17:06	lethosor	Resolution	reopened => no change required
2016-05-17 17:06	lethosor	Assigned To	Footkerchief => lethosor
2017-11-22 15:32	Dwarfu	Sticky Issue	Yes => No

Notes
(0019583) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-14 18:20 edited on: 2012-02-14 20:22	Yeah, it's intended: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/index.html#2011-06-13 [^]

(0019589) barconis (reporter) 2012-02-14 20:07	Is there a specific mention of this change anywhere? Your note had bad links referring to crafting/decorating with bone, which had no apparent relation to the topic. My search fu isn't finding a discussion of the subject in the forums, other than mention that cuts were added. I suppose it's another way to use up surplus stone/train jewelers without using actual gems of value...

(0019591) Footkerchief (manager) 2012-02-14 20:26 edited on: 2012-02-14 20:27	Ugh, that link imploded -- it's fixed now, but here's the relevant text: "The cabochon rewrite extended to allowing each entity to pick from among the shapes defined in the raws for all of their gem cutting purposes, with different entries for non-precious stones vs. gems (to keep them cabochon'd on rock, we can handle exceptions later)." If you check entity_default.txt, stone cabochons are explicitly allowed: [STONE_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON] [STONE_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON] [STONE_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON] [STONE_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON] [GEM_SHAPE:OVAL_CABOCHON] [GEM_SHAPE:ROUND_CABOCHON] [GEM_SHAPE:CUSHION_CABOCHON] [GEM_SHAPE:RECTANGULAR_CABOCHON] [GEM_SHAPE:POINT_CUT_GEM] [GEM_SHAPE:TABLE_CUT_GEM] etc...

(0019885) NW_Kohaku (reporter) 2012-02-16 18:04 edited on: 2012-02-16 18:04	There is a problem with the stones being cut like gems - glazes are considered "stones". This means that I glaze a clay statue with "oval ash glaze cabochons". See: http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=5201 [^]

(0020006) Pickled Tink (reporter) 2012-02-17 19:42	I have cut sandy clay, clay loam, and fire clay I imported. I then encrusted a bucket with them. "This is a chestnut bucket. The handle is made from sandy clay. On the item is a image of a cage in fire clay by iteb Lularrith. On the item is a well-designed image of a traction bench in clay loam by iteb Lularrith." cutting the imported clay left it as "fire clay" or "sandy clay", but it is treated as cut in the menus and lost its imported status. I sincerely doubt this was intended behaviour.

(0030789) JayJayForce (reporter) 2014-10-29 14:26	Confirmed for 0.40.14 Was able to cut Sandy Clay and Clay loam. Description did not change after they were cut, but they were placed into gem stockpile.

(0031466) Detros (manager) 2014-12-24 15:30 edited on: 2014-12-24 15:57	Confirmed in 0.40.21. Save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=10313 [^] I am cutting granite into all those four cabochons and storing them in gem stockpile. Their name and description changed when they have been cut, so it is not like at JayJayForce's place. I have also managed to encrust some furniture in these cabochons. The description of the final item (<<mica mechanisms>>) is a bit weird, though: "This is a superior quality mica mechanisms. On the item is a image of a cushion cabochon in granite by Onul Morulunal." That's a job for another bug report if there is none such yet.

(0031467) Larix2 (reporter) 2014-12-24 20:28 edited on: 2014-12-24 20:36	Cutting of _stones_ is intended, i.e. it is no bug and shouldn't be "confirmed". I can't see a problem with the item description either, apart from "a image". I think the issue should be closed or renamed to reflect that the only actual bug remaining is 0005275 - clay can be cut, but gives a no-flavour "clay" gem that can be used for encrusting but has no entry in the gem stockpile. That one has been present since .34.x and exists in .40.22, as well.

(0031468) Detros (manager) 2014-12-25 03:49 edited on: 2014-12-25 12:05	@Larix2: I was confirming cutting of stones still works so yes, this report can probably be closed. And if only that cut clay lacks the change of description, let's move to that 0005275. Also, I have thought it should be "a(n) image of SOMETHING MADE FROM cushion cabochon in granite" rather than "a(n) image of cushion cabochon in granite". Or did encrust description change in this way? I have thought it was not like this in 0.34 I used to play? Edit: Moved this grammar stuff to 0008664.

(0033747) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-10 15:18	This can be closed, right?

(0035212) lethosor (manager) 2016-05-17 17:06	PM me or another manager on the forums if this should be reopened.