0000544: Dwarves only do "individual combat drills", never sparring or demonstrations

(0001316)
Creidieki (reporter)
2010-04-05 20:12

I've taken a look at this save, and I can't get these dwarfs to train in any way. I've changed schedules around, reformed the squads, removed and created barracks around different pieces of furniture, and changed their assigned equipment. This save definitely shows a bug.

(0001452)
JimboOmega (reporter)
2010-04-06 08:09

Mine will sometimes pair off to do demos, but never spar.

Two are doing demonstrations. Strangely, they are the only two that have titles related to comabt (swordsdwarf and militia commander

I also have a possibly related issue where all military dwarves have 3-4 weapons, though it looks like the demonstrators are both equipped with 3 weapons.

(0002300)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-09 04:56
edited on: 2010-04-09 05:16

Same problem here.
At first the leader was making Dodge Demostrations, and others were watching (never made demonstrations of any other skill).
Later some other dwarf was making the Dodge Demonstrations, only a few were watching, and little or noone was sparring.
Now about 1/3 of the military does Individual Combat Drills, including the militia commander, all others never train, no matter how I set the alerts and shedules.
I have 3 squads of 10 dwarves each, same story with all of them.

Related to (or duplicate): 0000428
Might be related to: 0000751

I have the many weapons in one hand bug too. Is is reported here already: 0000648.

(0002318)
King of the Internet (reporter)
2010-04-09 06:39

It seems to be related to setting the squad to inactive. Then, no matter what else you do, they stay "inactive" unless they receive kill/move orders, complete with the civilian names and only individual combat training. In a different fort, I fixed it by completely disbanding the squad, then removing their barracks, then reforming the squad and setting up their barracks again. They're back to having demonstrations now. It's still a bug (redoing your whole military every time they go inactive is no fun), but at least it appears tentatively solvable.

(0002354)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-09 10:22
edited on: 2010-04-09 10:23

Ok thanks for the info!
I tried it and it actually didn't fix the training for me (I think I messed the alerts again by accident in the process) but it fixed equally annoying equipment bug that nothing else seemed to fix!
More info here: 0000648

I will try it later again to fix the training too.

(0002355)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-09 10:25

I've seen the same thing although I admittedly don't really understand as much as I would like about this new military system yet.

(0002441)
OzoneGrif (reporter)
2010-04-09 15:29

> I fixed it by completely disbanding the squad, then removing their barracks, then reforming the squad and setting up their barracks again

This trick worked for me. They're back to training.

(0002797)
axus (reporter)
2010-04-11 07:39

Squad was set to Active/Training, but only did individual training. Creating an archery target after they already had a barracks, and assigning it to training, made them all of a sudden become soldiers and want to train together.

I'm thinking the barracks has to be created and assigned after the squad, needs more testing,

(0004502)
Zombie (reporter)
2010-04-21 14:09

I can second that archery target idea. I made one and, bam! All my soldiers decided to be soldiers. Of course, one of the decided he wanted to be a blowgunner(?!) for some odd reason.

(0009936)
Murphy (reporter)
2010-07-11 09:37

You mean, he received blowgunner title?
It just means that blowgunning happens to be his highest combat skill.

(0010340)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-07-15 07:11

I've fixed up several causes of this behavior for 0.31.11. There are probably more, but I've got the ones I can find.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-05 18:26	King of the Internet	New Issue
2010-04-05 19:18	King of the Internet	Tag Attached: training
2010-04-05 20:12	Creidieki	Note Added: 0001316
2010-04-06 08:09	JimboOmega	Note Added: 0001452
2010-04-08 18:56	Tomato	Issue Monitored: Tomato
2010-04-09 03:58	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-04-09 04:56	Rafal99	Note Added: 0002300
2010-04-09 05:02	Jiri Petru	Issue Monitored: Jiri Petru
2010-04-09 05:06	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0002300	View Revisions
2010-04-09 05:07	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2010-04-09 05:16	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0002300	View Revisions
2010-04-09 06:21	Jimmy	Tag Attached: Military
2010-04-09 06:39	King of the Internet	Note Added: 0002318
2010-04-09 10:22	Rafal99	Note Added: 0002354
2010-04-09 10:23	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0002354	View Revisions
2010-04-09 10:25	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0002355
2010-04-09 15:12	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000428
2010-04-09 15:29	OzoneGrif	Note Added: 0002441
2010-04-10 14:23	Aluminus	Note Added: 0002647
2010-04-10 14:24	Aluminus	Note Deleted: 0002647
2010-04-11 07:39	axus	Note Added: 0002797
2010-04-21 14:09	Zombie	Note Added: 0004502
2010-07-11 09:37	Murphy	Note Added: 0009936
2010-07-11 09:54	Profligate	Issue Monitored: Profligate
2010-07-11 09:54	Profligate	Issue End Monitor: Profligate
2010-07-15 07:11	Toady One	Note Added: 0010340
2010-07-15 07:11	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-07-15 07:11	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.11
2010-07-15 07:11	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-07-15 07:11	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-07-15 09:11	Rafal99	Issue End Monitor: Rafal99
2010-07-16 05:18	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur

Notes
(0001316) Creidieki (reporter) 2010-04-05 20:12	I've taken a look at this save, and I can't get these dwarfs to train in any way. I've changed schedules around, reformed the squads, removed and created barracks around different pieces of furniture, and changed their assigned equipment. This save definitely shows a bug.

(0001452) JimboOmega (reporter) 2010-04-06 08:09	Mine will sometimes pair off to do demos, but never spar. Two are doing demonstrations. Strangely, they are the only two that have titles related to comabt (swordsdwarf and militia commander I also have a possibly related issue where all military dwarves have 3-4 weapons, though it looks like the demonstrators are both equipped with 3 weapons.

(0002300) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-09 04:56 edited on: 2010-04-09 05:16	Same problem here. At first the leader was making Dodge Demostrations, and others were watching (never made demonstrations of any other skill). Later some other dwarf was making the Dodge Demonstrations, only a few were watching, and little or noone was sparring. Now about 1/3 of the military does Individual Combat Drills, including the militia commander, all others never train, no matter how I set the alerts and shedules. I have 3 squads of 10 dwarves each, same story with all of them. Related to (or duplicate): 0000428 Might be related to: 0000751 I have the many weapons in one hand bug too. Is is reported here already: 0000648.

(0002318) King of the Internet (reporter) 2010-04-09 06:39	It seems to be related to setting the squad to inactive. Then, no matter what else you do, they stay "inactive" unless they receive kill/move orders, complete with the civilian names and only individual combat training. In a different fort, I fixed it by completely disbanding the squad, then removing their barracks, then reforming the squad and setting up their barracks again. They're back to having demonstrations now. It's still a bug (redoing your whole military every time they go inactive is no fun), but at least it appears tentatively solvable.

(0002354) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-09 10:22 edited on: 2010-04-09 10:23	Ok thanks for the info! I tried it and it actually didn't fix the training for me (I think I messed the alerts again by accident in the process) but it fixed equally annoying equipment bug that nothing else seemed to fix! More info here: 0000648 I will try it later again to fix the training too.

(0002355) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-09 10:25	I've seen the same thing although I admittedly don't really understand as much as I would like about this new military system yet.

(0002441) OzoneGrif (reporter) 2010-04-09 15:29	> I fixed it by completely disbanding the squad, then removing their barracks, then reforming the squad and setting up their barracks again This trick worked for me. They're back to training.

(0002797) axus (reporter) 2010-04-11 07:39	Squad was set to Active/Training, but only did individual training. Creating an archery target after they already had a barracks, and assigning it to training, made them all of a sudden become soldiers and want to train together. I'm thinking the barracks has to be created and assigned after the squad, needs more testing,

(0004502) Zombie (reporter) 2010-04-21 14:09	I can second that archery target idea. I made one and, bam! All my soldiers decided to be soldiers. Of course, one of the decided he wanted to be a blowgunner(?!) for some odd reason.

(0009936) Murphy (reporter) 2010-07-11 09:37	You mean, he received blowgunner title? It just means that blowgunning happens to be his highest combat skill.

(0010340) Toady One (administrator) 2010-07-15 07:11	I've fixed up several causes of this behavior for 0.31.11. There are probably more, but I've got the ones I can find.