0000596: Humans' Diplomat is a demon, destroys all constructions it passes by, never initiates meeting

(0001388)
Silverionmox (reporter)
2010-04-06 02:27

The solution probably is to restyle the destruction of buildings to a conscious, hostile action rather than an intrinsic property.

(0001436)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-06 07:24

this is not a bug. this is a feature request.

I realize there is a feature button here, but that is simply because mantis is a canned product that is being used to track bugs for dwarf fortress.

The correct place for feature requests is on the suggestion page at the official forums here.
http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [^] [^]

(0001439)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-06 07:32

rofl!

That's...awesome!

(0001457)
Secone (reporter)
2010-04-06 08:18

DoctorZuber, this does not seem at all like a feature request to me. However, it certainly seems awesome.

(0001497)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-06 09:43

Yeah, multiple aspects of this issue could be bugs. Also it is too awesome to close just yet.

(0001612)
Wirrit (reporter)
2010-04-06 16:55

DoctorZuber: Actually, no, it's not intended as a request -- I'm reporting it here because I'm not sure if he foresaw that this sort of situation would come up. I just marked it as 'feature' because it's right on that fuzzy border zone between "interesting challenge" and "destructive force that occupies your fort for months and cannot be attacked nomatter what they do, due to diplomatic immunity".

Additional updates :

- Zakosp The Lawgiver seems to reliably run into pathing problems, and will get stuck on doors within my fortress instead of following anyone around. Has occurred every time thusfar, on two seperate doors. One of them was near a meeting area, one was not.

- I can give my squads orders to attack the Lawgiver (which do show up on the squad screen, and individual dwarves' task lists), but these orders are ignored and they don't actually come anywhere near him. I only tried this while he was stuck. However, if I tell them to Move to his location, they have no problems getting there, and surround him easily. ...not attacking anything.

- At game start, all 3 nearby civilizations had 6 or less nobles / important people listed on their Civ screen. When The Lawgiver arrived on the map, I noticed that his civ's noble list had dropped down to 2-4 people. During one of my play-to-see-what-happens tests, I later (a few in-game days or a month after The Lawgiver's arrival) discovered the list had dropped down to 2 people. I am not certain what exactly is causing this (feature or bug), or if it is relevant.

(0002228)
Ghoulz (reporter)
2010-04-08 19:42
edited on: 2010-04-08 19:43

To be fair, any civilization with half a brain wouldn't choose a rampaging lizard demon to act as a friendly diplomat with the intent of reaching peaceful negotiations. If Dwarf Fortress seeks to be realistic, then situations like this should be avoided by the game.

(0002238)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2010-04-08 20:14

His existence isn't a problem. He rose to the ranks with trickery and deception; he's the one who chose to be a diplomat to the humans, not the other way around.

The problem is his attacker traits aren't properly shutting off.

(0002254)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-08 21:15
edited on: 2010-04-08 21:22

sorry, I didn't read closely enough apparently. I think when I saw this the first time my brain somehow linked feature request and your title and thought you were asking for killer demonic diplomats as a feature. So let me start again.

He did WHAT!?

Are you allowed to attack the "diplomat" ?

P.S. This is by far the dwarfiest thing I've heard yet.

(0002414)
Squirrelloid (reporter)
2010-04-09 13:35

Win.

Can he meet with your leader at all? Won't he just wreck the throne, causing the noble's office to stop existing? I mean, if anything here is clearly a bug, its that he'll deconstruct any room he tries to be in that's designated from furniture, which means your noble will never finish his meeting with him (if it ever starts!)

(0002466)
Wirrit (reporter)
2010-04-09 17:04
edited on: 2010-04-09 17:15

Gave Zakosp another try. Had a play-by-play here, but the software ate it and I forgot to save a backup of the description.

Summary:

*) Zakosp hates doors, but LOVES dancing.
*) He will methodically destroy any dwarven place of residence. Up to and including charging into a dwarven child's room, snatching their bed, destroying it, and then leaving. This appears not to leave bad thoughts ?
*) Zakosp can be freed from his dancing by digging out or removing nearby structures (walls, doors, etc). He occasionally manages to free himself.
*) He destroyed a workshop that a mood-dwarf was using, causing the dwarf to go mad and attack him. The dwarf lost quickly, and Zakosp is just fine. Zakosp seems to remain non-hostile.
*) Will report back again, if Zakosp ever goes mad, leaves unhappy, or manages to have a meeting.
*) Interestingly, Zakosp doesn't seem to be following anyone around, that I can tell...

Video here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/browsemovies.php?fortressName=Zakosp%2C+Demonic+Diplomat [^]

Video one is mostly dancing. Video 3 ( http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2112-zakospthelawgiverpt3 [^] ) is most relevant.

(0002468)
SirPenguin (reporter)
2010-04-09 17:12

I can't stop fucking laugh, holy shit. When he was methodically going into each bedroom and destroying it (only to later dance with a cat) I just lost it.

This is the greatest thing I've ever seen

(0002470)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-09 17:24

This is by far the dwarfiest thing I have ever seen. This is great stuff Wirrit. We've got to get this linked up on the wiki and immortalized or something. ;)

As for troubleshooting, If you're putting up videos I'd be surprised if you haven't already backed up the save and stashed it someplace safe.

Meanwhile, I'm going to go watch the rest of the videos and laugh my head off. If you don't see me around again, Assume I died happy. ;P

(0002791)
DrunkenWizard (reporter)
2010-04-11 06:17

I am experiencing the same problem. The hedgehog demon in my fort doesn't seem to want to meet with anyone, so it seems like he's just going to wander around breaking things until he either leaves or goes insane. At least if he goes insane I can kill him :/ I can provide the save file if anyone's interested.

(0002857)
Wirrit (reporter)
2010-04-11 12:37

Have had Zakosp around for nearly a year now in one save -- still no sign of going for a meeting.

Speculation: Could this be because of something like an [emotionless] tag? Doesn't get any happiness from doing his job, so doesn't do it. DOES get some equivalent of happiness from destroying things, so that's all he does. May be immune to going mad, too, so may or may not ever do that (still testing).

(0002864)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-04-11 12:54

Nah, the AI isn't that sophisticated. There's a chance he lacks the CAN_SPEAK tag or something, though.

(0003198)
Wirrit (reporter)
2010-04-12 20:59

Upgraded to 31.03 -- No change in Zakosp's behaviour or pathing.

(0003267)
IronValley (reporter)
2010-04-13 08:55

This is the old "friendlies with buidingdestroyer" all over again. The problem now is that you can't just remove buildingdestroyer from the raws...

(0003961)
RusAnon (reporter)
2010-04-17 02:35
edited on: 2010-04-17 02:36

Not sure if i should open a new ticket, since it seems to be caused by same issue.
So I had same situation human's diplomat was (now its dead) a demon.
He came to my fortress, destroying half of my defence installations on his way.
Then he suddenly stuck near trade depot.

In few monthes after that, i received announce that he left unhappy. But, he was still standing in the same spot, not moving.
Few seasons later, he went insane and i had to kill him.

Humans seem to not mind that, and still send me caravans, so i'm not sure i should care about that, but i hate to repair vertical bars and re-link them to levers.

Version 31.03 here. It came into fortress after update to .03

(0003964)
Proteus (reporter)
2010-04-17 04:24
edited on: 2010-04-17 04:25

Maybe it has to do with his emotional attributes...
Maybe something like:

Zakosp, Lawgiver, loves to dance.
He hates beds for their woodiness, doors for their blocking properties, meetings for their dullness and speaking for its sound producing properties.

:D

(0004165)
clamity (reporter)
2010-04-18 19:42
edited on: 2010-04-19 04:34

I am having a similar issue... I have a diplomat from one of the animal-men (amphibian in my case) who just barrels through my fort destroying everything... he actually seems to try to go to the meeting, but he destroys the office of my count when he goes into the room.

EDIT: Actually, I was wrong. The diplomat is for the human civilization and was specifically called a 'chameleon devilish diplomat'... I had been confused as there is a 'unnamed amphibian man' civilization that I have yet to have contact with.

(0004177)
ilmoran (reporter)
2010-04-18 20:57

Hmm, if you want to get rid of the building-destroying diplomat, you could try placing a support, digging out a 5x5 platform on top of the support, and waiting for him to come destroy it :)

(0004190)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2010-04-18 23:27

Heh, that's the first time I've heard suggested arranging an "unfortunate accident" for a creature from another civilization.

(0005051)
Myxine (reporter)
2010-04-25 16:12

It seems demons who took over a human group won't turn their own city into rubble.
(One of them was soundly sleeping in his little hovel while my adventurer hacked him to bits for something like two hours. I'm pretty sure demons had NO_SLEEP, so maybe it's scripted for "human" citizens to sleep at night.)

(0005108)
Trowzers (reporter)
2010-04-26 05:01

I have this same issue - except mine appears to be a forgotten beast with deadly dust. Fortunately the dust has not seemed to have done anything yet, and she's now stuck next to a door near my bone stockpile, after destroying about a dozen doors and all my craftdwarves workshops. I guess I will keep an eye out for suspicious deaths!
My fort was started in version 31.03

(0005118)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-26 07:44
edited on: 2010-04-26 07:44

Zakosp's pathing didn't improve with 31.03 ?

(0005758)
Wirrit (reporter)
2010-04-30 12:02

Trowzers : Deadly dust, huh? Wait a season or three, and tell me if you start seeing mysterious fevers+numbness among the animals (and later, dwarves) in your fort? It's not relevant to any bugs I'm pretty sure, I'm just curious if he's the source for that.

(0005770)
Hugna (reporter)
2010-04-30 13:52

If a demon becomes a diplomat, he should at least not DESTROY EVERYTHING if he's going to go be a diplomat. Maybe i dunno, ask for stuff in return for the town to not destroy yours. As for a civilization with a demon diplomat... i never had one, but 40d had it enough times on the forums. So it seems it wasn't fixed.

(0006084)
RusAnon (reporter)
2010-05-04 03:53

This brings one more problem.
If human demon diplomat comes first, and dwarven liaison second, mayor will be stuck in never-initiated meeting with demon, so liaison has no chance for his meeting too.

I have save file with both of them at my fort, with mayor stuck in 'Conduct meeting' few blocks away from the demon, if needed.

(0006639)
Beeskee (reporter)
2010-05-13 08:18

I have this too, a demonic law-giver showed up, breaking everything in the fort and claiming diplomatic immunity heh. As if my military could stop him anyway.

(0006648)
Beeskee (reporter)
2010-05-13 11:37

I've let it run for a while and the baron TRIES to conduct a meeting with him but the demon hangs out 2 z-levels above the baron's office, near my well. I've just tried making a new office for the baron, we'll see if that helps. ... nope, demon hangs out at same spot. Note to self, build supports holding up small stand alone sections of flooring around the perimeter of the next fort. :D

(0006677)
Beeskee (reporter)
2010-05-13 23:38
edited on: 2010-05-14 12:02

I managed to wall the demon in, though the noble kept getting unhappy thoughts from being unable to conduct the meeting.

I then flooded the room with water and it didn't drown. :( I'm a little disappointed, my first time trying to drown something and it doesn't work. The room is 7/7 full of water and the demon is fine after a year. Nothing in the demon's description says it doesn't need air to live.

Could we get this (edit: the demon breaking stuff, not the part about drowning) reclassified from "feature" to "bug" please?

Edit: I was able to catch the demon due to it getting enamored with a traction bench. Hopefully this information helps others in capturing these things for the time being.

(0007058)
Keldor314 (reporter)
2010-05-20 04:22

Most likely, the diplomat is dancing about because he doesn't have the [CAN_OPEN_DOORSS] tag. Poor thing has to bash down any door it comes across just to get through...

(0007583)
ChickenLips (reporter)
2010-06-02 15:14

I can confirm it on .04. Got a sloth demon named Othri Pestratkamca for my human diplomat, emitting noxious secretions. It was very helpful in literally biting the head off a kobold thief, but, eh, this does not mean I like him touring the bedrooms...

(0008049)
Put (reporter)
2010-06-10 07:37

Hey give the poor giant guy a break, he's not used to all these cramped tunnels. He can't help but flail his tail into your workshops.

(0010803)
fanatic (reporter)
2010-07-21 23:58

Issue still present in 31.10 . He destroyed the depot the human caravan was in. Now that's diplomacy...

(0010845)
MaDeR Levap (reporter)
2010-07-22 11:58

How much time can take adding one if to code???

(0010855)
RusAnon (reporter)
2010-07-22 20:57

As per http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62124.0 [^] this is also the case when you embark on human settlement, which is being run by demon.
Demon crushes his own basement and his own settlement. Now THATS a law-giving.

(0011054)
cognitive (reporter)
2010-07-25 21:44

just had this happen with a "chameleon dervish" diplomat. first thing he did was try to walk through a door, it exploded. then it did a quick 180 and obliterated my trade depot, security was called.

(0011056)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-07-25 22:46

Good ol' Zakosp still up to his same old tricks I see? I admit I'm almost be a bit sad when this bug is finally patched. We will still have the videos and the memories however. ;)

(0011502)
Torgan (reporter)
2010-08-04 15:17

Just had this happen in .12 as well, Human Law-Giver turns up who is a towering tortoise with noxious secretions, he knocked down some workshops outside but doesn't seem to be able to get past my locked or unlocked doors.

(0011647)
Hadoken (reporter)
2010-08-09 00:06

This also happened to me in 0.31.12. Lushòb, law-giver, a lizard fiend diplomat from the human civ. Destroyed one workshop on the way in and is now endlessly running up and down a flight of stairs.

(0012467)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-09-07 02:52

The basic toppling issue is resolved for 0.31.13, and the demon appears to have proper meetings. As for the fact that the demon pretending to be a god of the humans comes by and chats about how nice your fort is and stuff, we'll have to get to that later when they can realize a bit of their dignity.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-06 02:14	Wirrit	New Issue
2010-04-06 02:24	Aquillion	Tag Attached: demon
2010-04-06 02:24	Aquillion	Tag Attached: diplomat
2010-04-06 02:25	Aquillion	Tag Attached: liaison
2010-04-06 02:27	Silverionmox	Note Added: 0001388
2010-04-06 07:24	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0001436
2010-04-06 07:32	derigo	Note Added: 0001439
2010-04-06 08:18	Secone	Note Added: 0001457
2010-04-06 09:43	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0001497
2010-04-06 16:55	Wirrit	Note Added: 0001612
2010-04-08 19:42	Ghoulz	Note Added: 0002228
2010-04-08 19:43	Ghoulz	Note Edited: 0002228	View Revisions
2010-04-08 20:14	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0002238
2010-04-08 21:15	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0002254
2010-04-08 21:20	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0002254	View Revisions
2010-04-08 21:22	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0002254	View Revisions
2010-04-09 04:01	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-04-09 13:12	Gafgar	Issue Monitored: Gafgar
2010-04-09 13:35	Squirrelloid	Note Added: 0002414
2010-04-09 15:27	Phydaux	Issue Monitored: Phydaux
2010-04-09 17:04	Wirrit	Note Added: 0002466
2010-04-09 17:12	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0002468
2010-04-09 17:15	Wirrit	Note Edited: 0002466	View Revisions
2010-04-09 17:24	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0002470
2010-04-09 17:30	Felblood	Issue Monitored: Felblood
2010-04-09 17:44	Felblood	Tag Attached: forgotten beast
2010-04-11 06:17	DrunkenWizard	Note Added: 0002791
2010-04-11 12:37	Wirrit	Note Added: 0002857
2010-04-11 12:54	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0002864
2010-04-12 20:59	Wirrit	Note Added: 0003198
2010-04-13 08:55	IronValley	Note Added: 0003267
2010-04-13 09:07	Footkerchief	Summary	Humans' Diplomat is a demon; destroys all constructions it passes by => Humans' Diplomat is a demon, destroys all constructions it passes by, never initiates meeting
2010-04-17 02:35	RusAnon	Note Added: 0003961
2010-04-17 02:35	RusAnon	Issue Monitored: RusAnon
2010-04-17 02:36	RusAnon	Note Edited: 0003961	View Revisions
2010-04-17 04:24	Proteus	Note Added: 0003964
2010-04-17 04:25	Proteus	Note Edited: 0003964	View Revisions
2010-04-18 19:42	clamity	Note Added: 0004165
2010-04-18 19:42	clamity	Issue Monitored: clamity
2010-04-18 20:13	clamity	Note Edited: 0004165	View Revisions
2010-04-18 20:57	ilmoran	Note Added: 0004177
2010-04-18 23:27	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0004190
2010-04-19 04:34	clamity	Note Edited: 0004165	View Revisions
2010-04-25 02:09	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001500
2010-04-25 09:31	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001515
2010-04-25 16:12	Myxine	Note Added: 0005051
2010-04-26 05:01	Trowzers	Note Added: 0005108
2010-04-26 07:44	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0005118
2010-04-26 07:44	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0005118	View Revisions
2010-04-30 04:55	zooeyglass	Issue Monitored: zooeyglass
2010-04-30 04:55	zooeyglass	Issue End Monitor: zooeyglass
2010-04-30 12:02	Wirrit	Note Added: 0005758
2010-04-30 13:52	Hugna	Note Added: 0005770
2010-05-02 15:46	Logical2u	Relationship added	related to 0001698
2010-05-04 03:53	RusAnon	Note Added: 0006084
2010-05-13 08:18	Beeskee	Note Added: 0006639
2010-05-13 11:37	Beeskee	Note Added: 0006648
2010-05-13 23:38	Beeskee	Note Added: 0006677
2010-05-14 12:02	Beeskee	Note Edited: 0006677	View Revisions
2010-05-20 04:22	Keldor314	Note Added: 0007058
2010-05-23 20:42	Beeskee	Issue Monitored: Beeskee
2010-05-30 07:23	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-06-02 15:14	ChickenLips	Note Added: 0007583
2010-06-10 07:23	Kyle_Solo	Issue Monitored: Kyle_Solo
2010-06-10 07:37	Put	Note Added: 0008049
2010-06-10 07:38	Put	Issue Monitored: Put
2010-06-15 06:13	Conti	Issue Monitored: Conti
2010-07-21 23:58	fanatic	Note Added: 0010803
2010-07-22 09:59	Jinalealia	Issue Monitored: Jinalealia
2010-07-22 11:58	MaDeR Levap	Note Added: 0010845
2010-07-22 20:57	RusAnon	Note Added: 0010855
2010-07-23 03:17	burlingk	Issue Monitored: burlingk
2010-07-23 04:28	Antiscient	Issue Monitored: Antiscient
2010-07-25 21:44	cognitive	Note Added: 0011054
2010-07-25 22:46	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0011056
2010-07-28 13:00	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002876
2010-08-04 15:17	Torgan	Note Added: 0011502
2010-08-09 00:06	Hadoken	Note Added: 0011647
2010-08-14 17:01	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0003027
2010-08-22 09:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003086
2010-09-07 02:52	Toady One	Note Added: 0012467
2010-09-07 02:52	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-09-07 02:52	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.13
2010-09-07 02:52	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-09-07 02:52	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-09-07 04:49	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue End Monitor: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-09-10 11:27	Ancient_miner	Issue Monitored: Ancient_miner
2010-09-15 11:33	Conti	Issue End Monitor: Conti
2010-09-25 09:50	Logical2u	Relationship replaced	parent of 0003086
2010-09-27 06:42	burlingk	Issue End Monitor: burlingk
2010-10-04 09:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003347
2010-10-11 05:23	Put	Issue End Monitor: Put
2010-10-14 07:53	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur
2010-11-02 13:36	Zanethda	Issue Monitored: Zanethda
2011-10-27 01:43	Kogut	Issue Monitored: Kogut
2012-04-03 15:56	Dwarfu	Relationship replaced	has duplicate 0001698
2012-04-03 15:56	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2012-04-14 19:21	Felblood	Issue End Monitor: Felblood
2012-05-27 11:48	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005937

Notes
(0001388) Silverionmox (reporter) 2010-04-06 02:27	The solution probably is to restyle the destruction of buildings to a conscious, hostile action rather than an intrinsic property.

(0001436) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-06 07:24	this is not a bug. this is a feature request. I realize there is a feature button here, but that is simply because mantis is a canned product that is being used to track bugs for dwarf fortress. The correct place for feature requests is on the suggestion page at the official forums here. http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?board=5.0 [^] [^]

(0001439) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-06 07:32	rofl! That's...awesome!

(0001457) Secone (reporter) 2010-04-06 08:18	DoctorZuber, this does not seem at all like a feature request to me. However, it certainly seems awesome.

(0001497) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-06 09:43	Yeah, multiple aspects of this issue could be bugs. Also it is too awesome to close just yet.

(0001612) Wirrit (reporter) 2010-04-06 16:55	DoctorZuber: Actually, no, it's not intended as a request -- I'm reporting it here because I'm not sure if he foresaw that this sort of situation would come up. I just marked it as 'feature' because it's right on that fuzzy border zone between "interesting challenge" and "destructive force that occupies your fort for months and cannot be attacked nomatter what they do, due to diplomatic immunity". Additional updates : - Zakosp The Lawgiver seems to reliably run into pathing problems, and will get stuck on doors within my fortress instead of following anyone around. Has occurred every time thusfar, on two seperate doors. One of them was near a meeting area, one was not. - I can give my squads orders to attack the Lawgiver (which do show up on the squad screen, and individual dwarves' task lists), but these orders are ignored and they don't actually come anywhere near him. I only tried this while he was stuck. However, if I tell them to Move to his location, they have no problems getting there, and surround him easily. ...not attacking anything. - At game start, all 3 nearby civilizations had 6 or less nobles / important people listed on their Civ screen. When The Lawgiver arrived on the map, I noticed that his civ's noble list had dropped down to 2-4 people. During one of my play-to-see-what-happens tests, I later (a few in-game days or a month after The Lawgiver's arrival) discovered the list had dropped down to 2 people. I am not certain what exactly is causing this (feature or bug), or if it is relevant.

(0002228) Ghoulz (reporter) 2010-04-08 19:42 edited on: 2010-04-08 19:43	To be fair, any civilization with half a brain wouldn't choose a rampaging lizard demon to act as a friendly diplomat with the intent of reaching peaceful negotiations. If Dwarf Fortress seeks to be realistic, then situations like this should be avoided by the game.

(0002238) SirPenguin (reporter) 2010-04-08 20:14	His existence isn't a problem. He rose to the ranks with trickery and deception; he's the one who chose to be a diplomat to the humans, not the other way around. The problem is his attacker traits aren't properly shutting off.

(0002254) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-08 21:15 edited on: 2010-04-08 21:22	sorry, I didn't read closely enough apparently. I think when I saw this the first time my brain somehow linked feature request and your title and thought you were asking for killer demonic diplomats as a feature. So let me start again. He did WHAT!? Are you allowed to attack the "diplomat" ? P.S. This is by far the dwarfiest thing I've heard yet.

(0002414) Squirrelloid (reporter) 2010-04-09 13:35	Win. Can he meet with your leader at all? Won't he just wreck the throne, causing the noble's office to stop existing? I mean, if anything here is clearly a bug, its that he'll deconstruct any room he tries to be in that's designated from furniture, which means your noble will never finish his meeting with him (if it ever starts!)

(0002466) Wirrit (reporter) 2010-04-09 17:04 edited on: 2010-04-09 17:15	Gave Zakosp another try. Had a play-by-play here, but the software ate it and I forgot to save a backup of the description. Summary: ) Zakosp hates doors, but LOVES dancing. ) He will methodically destroy any dwarven place of residence. Up to and including charging into a dwarven child's room, snatching their bed, destroying it, and then leaving. This appears not to leave bad thoughts ? ) Zakosp can be freed from his dancing by digging out or removing nearby structures (walls, doors, etc). He occasionally manages to free himself. ) He destroyed a workshop that a mood-dwarf was using, causing the dwarf to go mad and attack him. The dwarf lost quickly, and Zakosp is just fine. Zakosp seems to remain non-hostile. ) Will report back again, if Zakosp ever goes mad, leaves unhappy, or manages to have a meeting. ) Interestingly, Zakosp doesn't seem to be following anyone around, that I can tell... Video here: http://mkv25.net/dfma/browsemovies.php?fortressName=Zakosp%2C+Demonic+Diplomat [^] Video one is mostly dancing. Video 3 ( http://mkv25.net/dfma/movie-2112-zakospthelawgiverpt3 [^] ) is most relevant.

(0002468) SirPenguin (reporter) 2010-04-09 17:12	I can't stop fucking laugh, holy shit. When he was methodically going into each bedroom and destroying it (only to later dance with a cat) I just lost it. This is the greatest thing I've ever seen

(0002470) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-09 17:24	This is by far the dwarfiest thing I have ever seen. This is great stuff Wirrit. We've got to get this linked up on the wiki and immortalized or something. ;) As for troubleshooting, If you're putting up videos I'd be surprised if you haven't already backed up the save and stashed it someplace safe. Meanwhile, I'm going to go watch the rest of the videos and laugh my head off. If you don't see me around again, Assume I died happy. ;P

(0002791) DrunkenWizard (reporter) 2010-04-11 06:17	I am experiencing the same problem. The hedgehog demon in my fort doesn't seem to want to meet with anyone, so it seems like he's just going to wander around breaking things until he either leaves or goes insane. At least if he goes insane I can kill him :/ I can provide the save file if anyone's interested.

(0002857) Wirrit (reporter) 2010-04-11 12:37	Have had Zakosp around for nearly a year now in one save -- still no sign of going for a meeting. Speculation: Could this be because of something like an [emotionless] tag? Doesn't get any happiness from doing his job, so doesn't do it. DOES get some equivalent of happiness from destroying things, so that's all he does. May be immune to going mad, too, so may or may not ever do that (still testing).

(0002864) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-04-11 12:54	Nah, the AI isn't that sophisticated. There's a chance he lacks the CAN_SPEAK tag or something, though.

(0003198) Wirrit (reporter) 2010-04-12 20:59	Upgraded to 31.03 -- No change in Zakosp's behaviour or pathing.

(0003267) IronValley (reporter) 2010-04-13 08:55	This is the old "friendlies with buidingdestroyer" all over again. The problem now is that you can't just remove buildingdestroyer from the raws...

(0003961) RusAnon (reporter) 2010-04-17 02:35 edited on: 2010-04-17 02:36	Not sure if i should open a new ticket, since it seems to be caused by same issue. So I had same situation human's diplomat was (now its dead) a demon. He came to my fortress, destroying half of my defence installations on his way. Then he suddenly stuck near trade depot. In few monthes after that, i received announce that he left unhappy. But, he was still standing in the same spot, not moving. Few seasons later, he went insane and i had to kill him. Humans seem to not mind that, and still send me caravans, so i'm not sure i should care about that, but i hate to repair vertical bars and re-link them to levers. Version 31.03 here. It came into fortress after update to .03

(0003964) Proteus (reporter) 2010-04-17 04:24 edited on: 2010-04-17 04:25	Maybe it has to do with his emotional attributes... Maybe something like: Zakosp, Lawgiver, loves to dance. He hates beds for their woodiness, doors for their blocking properties, meetings for their dullness and speaking for its sound producing properties. :D

(0004165) clamity (reporter) 2010-04-18 19:42 edited on: 2010-04-19 04:34	I am having a similar issue... I have a diplomat from one of the animal-men (amphibian in my case) who just barrels through my fort destroying everything... he actually seems to try to go to the meeting, but he destroys the office of my count when he goes into the room. EDIT: Actually, I was wrong. The diplomat is for the human civilization and was specifically called a 'chameleon devilish diplomat'... I had been confused as there is a 'unnamed amphibian man' civilization that I have yet to have contact with.

(0004177) ilmoran (reporter) 2010-04-18 20:57	Hmm, if you want to get rid of the building-destroying diplomat, you could try placing a support, digging out a 5x5 platform on top of the support, and waiting for him to come destroy it :)

(0004190) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2010-04-18 23:27	Heh, that's the first time I've heard suggested arranging an "unfortunate accident" for a creature from another civilization.

(0005051) Myxine (reporter) 2010-04-25 16:12	It seems demons who took over a human group won't turn their own city into rubble. (One of them was soundly sleeping in his little hovel while my adventurer hacked him to bits for something like two hours. I'm pretty sure demons had NO_SLEEP, so maybe it's scripted for "human" citizens to sleep at night.)

(0005108) Trowzers (reporter) 2010-04-26 05:01	I have this same issue - except mine appears to be a forgotten beast with deadly dust. Fortunately the dust has not seemed to have done anything yet, and she's now stuck next to a door near my bone stockpile, after destroying about a dozen doors and all my craftdwarves workshops. I guess I will keep an eye out for suspicious deaths! My fort was started in version 31.03

(0005118) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-26 07:44 edited on: 2010-04-26 07:44	Zakosp's pathing didn't improve with 31.03 ?

(0005758) Wirrit (reporter) 2010-04-30 12:02	Trowzers : Deadly dust, huh? Wait a season or three, and tell me if you start seeing mysterious fevers+numbness among the animals (and later, dwarves) in your fort? It's not relevant to any bugs I'm pretty sure, I'm just curious if he's the source for that.

(0005770) Hugna (reporter) 2010-04-30 13:52	If a demon becomes a diplomat, he should at least not DESTROY EVERYTHING if he's going to go be a diplomat. Maybe i dunno, ask for stuff in return for the town to not destroy yours. As for a civilization with a demon diplomat... i never had one, but 40d had it enough times on the forums. So it seems it wasn't fixed.

(0006084) RusAnon (reporter) 2010-05-04 03:53	This brings one more problem. If human demon diplomat comes first, and dwarven liaison second, mayor will be stuck in never-initiated meeting with demon, so liaison has no chance for his meeting too. I have save file with both of them at my fort, with mayor stuck in 'Conduct meeting' few blocks away from the demon, if needed.

(0006639) Beeskee (reporter) 2010-05-13 08:18	I have this too, a demonic law-giver showed up, breaking everything in the fort and claiming diplomatic immunity heh. As if my military could stop him anyway.

(0006648) Beeskee (reporter) 2010-05-13 11:37	I've let it run for a while and the baron TRIES to conduct a meeting with him but the demon hangs out 2 z-levels above the baron's office, near my well. I've just tried making a new office for the baron, we'll see if that helps. ... nope, demon hangs out at same spot. Note to self, build supports holding up small stand alone sections of flooring around the perimeter of the next fort. :D

(0006677) Beeskee (reporter) 2010-05-13 23:38 edited on: 2010-05-14 12:02	I managed to wall the demon in, though the noble kept getting unhappy thoughts from being unable to conduct the meeting. I then flooded the room with water and it didn't drown. :( I'm a little disappointed, my first time trying to drown something and it doesn't work. The room is 7/7 full of water and the demon is fine after a year. Nothing in the demon's description says it doesn't need air to live. Could we get this (edit: the demon breaking stuff, not the part about drowning) reclassified from "feature" to "bug" please? Edit: I was able to catch the demon due to it getting enamored with a traction bench. Hopefully this information helps others in capturing these things for the time being.

(0007058) Keldor314 (reporter) 2010-05-20 04:22	Most likely, the diplomat is dancing about because he doesn't have the [CAN_OPEN_DOORSS] tag. Poor thing has to bash down any door it comes across just to get through...

(0007583) ChickenLips (reporter) 2010-06-02 15:14	I can confirm it on .04. Got a sloth demon named Othri Pestratkamca for my human diplomat, emitting noxious secretions. It was very helpful in literally biting the head off a kobold thief, but, eh, this does not mean I like him touring the bedrooms...

(0008049) Put (reporter) 2010-06-10 07:37	Hey give the poor giant guy a break, he's not used to all these cramped tunnels. He can't help but flail his tail into your workshops.

(0010803) fanatic (reporter) 2010-07-21 23:58	Issue still present in 31.10 . He destroyed the depot the human caravan was in. Now that's diplomacy...

(0010845) MaDeR Levap (reporter) 2010-07-22 11:58	How much time can take adding one if to code???

(0010855) RusAnon (reporter) 2010-07-22 20:57	As per http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=62124.0 [^] this is also the case when you embark on human settlement, which is being run by demon. Demon crushes his own basement and his own settlement. Now THATS a law-giving.

(0011054) cognitive (reporter) 2010-07-25 21:44	just had this happen with a "chameleon dervish" diplomat. first thing he did was try to walk through a door, it exploded. then it did a quick 180 and obliterated my trade depot, security was called.

(0011056) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-07-25 22:46	Good ol' Zakosp still up to his same old tricks I see? I admit I'm almost be a bit sad when this bug is finally patched. We will still have the videos and the memories however. ;)

(0011502) Torgan (reporter) 2010-08-04 15:17	Just had this happen in .12 as well, Human Law-Giver turns up who is a towering tortoise with noxious secretions, he knocked down some workshops outside but doesn't seem to be able to get past my locked or unlocked doors.

(0011647) Hadoken (reporter) 2010-08-09 00:06	This also happened to me in 0.31.12. Lushòb, law-giver, a lizard fiend diplomat from the human civ. Destroyed one workshop on the way in and is now endlessly running up and down a flight of stairs.

(0012467) Toady One (administrator) 2010-09-07 02:52	The basic toppling issue is resolved for 0.31.13, and the demon appears to have proper meetings. As for the fact that the demon pretending to be a god of the humans comes by and chats about how nice your fort is and stuff, we'll have to get to that later when they can realize a bit of their dignity.