0009184: Suicidal Bards arrive during siege; Tavern-related

(0033316)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-02 22:09

Should also add that as soon as one of the new bards/dancers/singers/musicians are slaughtered, a new one appears in its place. It appears to be trying to hit a cap... and if they can't hit the cap, well - they keep sending more.

(0033347)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-03 12:13

Forgot the save. Here:

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11351 [^]

(0033352)
Button (reporter)
2015-12-03 13:22

Arguably intentional. How should a bard know that your tavern is closed due to siege?

(0033362)
Veroule (reporter)
2015-12-03 20:52

I believe migrants are still prevented from showing up during a siege. If notoriously suicidal dwarfs have enough sense to stay away, then others probably should too. Or let them all come, but give them the ability to run away off map since they are not part of the fortress and some logic about deciding whether to fight with the goblins.

(0033367)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-03 22:55
edited on: 2015-12-03 22:56

Performers wouldn't know the tavern is closed during a siege, no. The issue isn't that they don't understand it's closed. The issue is that they come in an incessant stream because the game is trying to reach a pop cap. You can literally have hundreds of dead performers at your fortress in a matter of weeks if they die almost as soon as they arrive. For this reason I'm quite certain it's an unintentional bug.

Title, in that case, should be "Hundreds of suicidal bards arrive during siege", for clarification purposes.

(0033508)
Detros (manager)
2015-12-06 09:01

Well, when all of them die the moment they arrive, none of them gets out to tell other bards your place should not be visited for a while.

(0033510)
Talvieno (reporter)
2015-12-06 09:39

That part makes sense, yes. But in effect, it makes it look like [hundreds] of bards suddenly decided to visit your fortress - which is wholly unrealistic.

(0033641)
BSRowe (reporter)
2015-12-08 13:12

I noticed in my game that human visitors arrive, but the goblins leave them alone unless they're armed. Human warriors that show up are fair game, though.

I've also noticed that any visitors inside who can't get out during a siege tend to throw themselves down the stairs.

(0033716)
Klindhh (reporter)
2015-12-10 05:50

Scholars also come to visit libraries during sieges.

(0033882)
Skid (reporter)
2015-12-14 10:27

Hilariously broken with necromancer sieges since every dead bard is added to the horde. I currently have a siege that's doubled in size since three performance troupes were added to the zombie hordes in under a month.

(0039137)
Loci (manager)
2019-01-20 19:12

While an occasional visitor arriving with bad timing seems reasonable, a steady stream of suicidal visitors all politely waiting off-screen for their turn to die is comically absurd. Perhaps a cool-down period after a visitor death is in order?

v0.44.12: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14206 [^]

(0039158)
mattvt3 (reporter)
2019-01-27 16:50
edited on: 2019-01-27 16:51

This one is made hilarious with 0008099 and an undead siege (which I assume is because immediately when something living enters the map, i.e. a visitor, undead stop pathing to your fortress). The endless stream keeps coming and they keep going back outside rather than hit your defenses to kill the many visitors coming to be slaughtered.

Free artifacts at least in the aftermath.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2015-12-02 21:48	Talvieno	New Issue
2015-12-02 22:09	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033316
2015-12-02 22:14	Hema	Issue Monitored: Hema
2015-12-03 12:13	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033347
2015-12-03 13:22	Button	Note Added: 0033352
2015-12-03 15:27	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2015-12-03 20:52	Veroule	Note Added: 0033362
2015-12-03 22:55	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033367
2015-12-03 22:56	Talvieno	Note Edited: 0033367	View Revisions
2015-12-04 22:16	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0009205
2015-12-04 22:17	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	related to 0009205
2015-12-04 22:17	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0009222
2015-12-06 09:01	Detros	Note Added: 0033508
2015-12-06 09:39	Talvieno	Note Added: 0033510
2015-12-08 13:10	Button	Issue Monitored: Button
2015-12-08 13:12	BSRowe	Note Added: 0033641
2015-12-10 05:50	Klindhh	Note Added: 0033716
2015-12-14 10:27	Skid	Note Added: 0033882
2019-01-20 19:12	Loci	Note Added: 0039137
2019-01-20 19:12	Loci	Assigned To	=> Loci
2019-01-20 19:12	Loci	Status	new => acknowledged
2019-01-20 19:12	Loci	Category	Dwarf Mode -- Rooms => Dwarf Mode -- Locations
2019-01-27 16:50	mattvt3	Note Added: 0039158
2019-01-27 16:51	mattvt3	Note Edited: 0039158	View Revisions
2019-01-27 16:51	mattvt3	Note Edited: 0039158	View Revisions

Notes
(0033316) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-02 22:09	Should also add that as soon as one of the new bards/dancers/singers/musicians are slaughtered, a new one appears in its place. It appears to be trying to hit a cap... and if they can't hit the cap, well - they keep sending more.

(0033347) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-03 12:13	Forgot the save. Here: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11351 [^]

(0033352) Button (reporter) 2015-12-03 13:22	Arguably intentional. How should a bard know that your tavern is closed due to siege?

(0033362) Veroule (reporter) 2015-12-03 20:52	I believe migrants are still prevented from showing up during a siege. If notoriously suicidal dwarfs have enough sense to stay away, then others probably should too. Or let them all come, but give them the ability to run away off map since they are not part of the fortress and some logic about deciding whether to fight with the goblins.

(0033367) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-03 22:55 edited on: 2015-12-03 22:56	Performers wouldn't know the tavern is closed during a siege, no. The issue isn't that they don't understand it's closed. The issue is that they come in an incessant stream because the game is trying to reach a pop cap. You can literally have hundreds of dead performers at your fortress in a matter of weeks if they die almost as soon as they arrive. For this reason I'm quite certain it's an unintentional bug. Title, in that case, should be "Hundreds of suicidal bards arrive during siege", for clarification purposes.

(0033508) Detros (manager) 2015-12-06 09:01	Well, when all of them die the moment they arrive, none of them gets out to tell other bards your place should not be visited for a while.

(0033510) Talvieno (reporter) 2015-12-06 09:39	That part makes sense, yes. But in effect, it makes it look like [hundreds] of bards suddenly decided to visit your fortress - which is wholly unrealistic.

(0033641) BSRowe (reporter) 2015-12-08 13:12	I noticed in my game that human visitors arrive, but the goblins leave them alone unless they're armed. Human warriors that show up are fair game, though. I've also noticed that any visitors inside who can't get out during a siege tend to throw themselves down the stairs.

(0033716) Klindhh (reporter) 2015-12-10 05:50	Scholars also come to visit libraries during sieges.

(0033882) Skid (reporter) 2015-12-14 10:27	Hilariously broken with necromancer sieges since every dead bard is added to the horde. I currently have a siege that's doubled in size since three performance troupes were added to the zombie hordes in under a month.

(0039137) Loci (manager) 2019-01-20 19:12	While an occasional visitor arriving with bad timing seems reasonable, a steady stream of suicidal visitors all politely waiting off-screen for their turn to die is comically absurd. Perhaps a cool-down period after a visitor death is in order? v0.44.12: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=14206 [^]

(0039158) mattvt3 (reporter) 2019-01-27 16:50 edited on: 2019-01-27 16:51	This one is made hilarious with 0008099 and an undead siege (which I assume is because immediately when something living enters the map, i.e. a visitor, undead stop pathing to your fortress). The endless stream keeps coming and they keep going back outside rather than hit your defenses to kill the many visitors coming to be slaughtered. Free artifacts at least in the aftermath.