0000944: Baron demands turtle shell door in dining room, and other demands of unattainable item/material combinations

(0004685)
DKS (reporter)
2010-04-22 23:58

I have got a demand for an adamantine bed in the dining room myself.

(0010951)
tomsk (reporter)
2010-07-25 05:11

My Baroness just demanded a pewter bed for her throne room.

(0013218)
phahoehoe (reporter)
2010-10-05 15:33

My mayor demand a steel bed

(0013219)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-10-05 15:40

It's just one of those quirks of DF. The good thing though is that demands, unlike mandates, can be safely ignored without having one of your dwarves punished and the noble will forget about it after a while.

(0013236)
Malibu Stacey (reporter)
2010-10-07 07:18

"It's just one of those quirks of DF."

It's surprising how many bugs you describe as "quirks" smjjames.

This is clearly a bug even if it's very benign.

(0013237)
burlingk (reporter)
2010-10-07 08:31
edited on: 2010-10-07 08:32

Are you sure it is a bug? If the materials and the objects exist, there are those in the real world that will insist they have an object made of the material... Even if no one in their right mind is going to make it.

Add to that the fact that moods do often produce these things. ^^;;

After all, what kind of tyrant would be be if he asked for things you could actually produce? :)

(0013669)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-11-07 20:43

Countess just demanded a steel bed in her tomb. Of course, a platinum bed would've been fine, since a moody blacksmith made one several years back.

(0015496)
Artificer (reporter)
2011-02-25 05:09

My Countess is demanding a brass bed in her tomb... what is it with countesses wanting beds in their tombs? Bit creepy if you ask me.

(0017647)
randyshipp (reporter)
2011-05-07 08:57

Mayor demands bismuth bronze bed in office. I'm with Malibu Stacey: it's a bug and should be fixed, unless it's the result of some actual mental instability in the ruler in question. I have no problem with unstable rulers making wacky requests, but healthy dwarves should not.

(0019409)
Xars (reporter)
2012-01-21 14:59

Mayor demanded a platinum bed in his office. Impossible to complete unless a dwarf has a mood.

(0020700)
quintilius (reporter)
2012-02-26 00:14

echoing the above - demand for steel bed in his office. i dont know what he thinks goes on in those meetings with elven ambassadors...

(0020709)
Xotano (reporter)
2012-02-26 05:58

you know, usually they have a terrible "accident" after demanding such things.

(0023867)
Dwarfu (manager)
2013-03-03 23:44

I can't say I've paid attention to demands in recent forts - did the mandate fix for 34.01 relax these types of demands as well (it was released around the time reporters stopped posting here)?

(0023881)
Panzerdwarf (reporter)
2013-03-05 16:21

Mayor demands Billon bed in Dining Room.

(0023883)
Dwarfu (manager)
2013-03-05 22:01

Thank you.

(0032824)
Chthon (reporter)
2015-06-30 00:21

Just want to add, I have this in 2014 version. For me it's a bone throne from a kind of bird that doesn't even exist in my climate. Last I checked, bone is one of the materials you cannot make a throne out of, thus it's not isolated to beds.

(0033660)
braiam (reporter)
2015-12-08 19:24

Still found on 42.02. Lay pewter bed in Dinning Room by Baron.

(0037704)
Robsoie (reporter)
2018-01-24 17:31
edited on: 2018-01-24 21:56

Still present in 44.05 , my recent Baron just demanded a crystal glass bed.
https://i.imgur.com/l0vtN9z.png [^]

(0037707)
Sarmatian123 (reporter)
2018-01-25 06:46

Vanilla 0.44.05. My duchess just demanded trifle pewter table in her dining room. I have in stock like 50 trifle pewter bars. :) Still, she can keep dreaming. :)

This entire faulty economic system of owning personal items, demands on items, production order demands, coins and hungry Dwarves eating basic cooking ingredients, when complaining about missing lavish food, while there are 100+ barrels of it... needs sorely rewriting from ground up. Including missing treasury workshop to store all material coins in.

I know, there are people, who understand feudalism in the socialist lying propaganda way, but seriously even basic corporate capitalism is more close to it, then all you can squeeze out of the faulty socialist propaganda lies about feudalism. Like missing basic understanding, that feudal peasantry were actually small capitalists and not seasonal farm workers. Those last were hired by those feudal peasants in turn and not by noble land owners. Socialism puts entire feudal economy around on head, to coin phrase, that someone supposedly was "slave" in this economic system despite owning privately capital or shares in it.

(0037708)
Dwarfu (manager)
2018-01-25 09:43

Reminder sent to: Sarmatian123

That sounds like suggestion territory and something more appropriate to discuss on the forums than in the bug report.
Thanks.

(0038094)
gorge (reporter)
2018-03-31 09:55

Confirmed in vanilla 44.07. Baron demands lay pewter bed.

(0040812)
Deity Link (reporter)
2020-12-01 13:58

Confirmed in vanilla 47.04. Mayor demands a clear glass bed.

(0040830)
Corona688 (reporter)
2020-12-26 11:30
edited on: 2020-12-26 11:30

Decorating a door with turtle shell will do IIRC, it need not be a 100% turtle shell door. You can also cut some clear glass and encrust a bed with them.

Impossible objects can be created by fey moods sometimes, also. There was a floodgate made out of bone...

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-10 13:29	GauHelldragon	New Issue
2010-04-10 13:30	GauHelldragon	Tag Attached: noble
2010-04-10 20:38	Khym Chanur	Tag Attached: demands
2010-04-22 23:58	DKS	Note Added: 0004685
2010-05-13 10:11	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001844
2010-05-13 10:11	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-05-13 18:18	Daetrin	Tag Attached: burrow
2010-05-13 18:18	Daetrin	Tag Detached: burrow
2010-07-25 05:11	tomsk	Note Added: 0010951
2010-10-05 15:32	phahoehoe	Issue Monitored: phahoehoe
2010-10-05 15:32	phahoehoe	Issue End Monitor: phahoehoe
2010-10-05 15:33	phahoehoe	Note Added: 0013218
2010-10-05 15:40	smjjames	Note Added: 0013219
2010-10-07 07:18	Malibu Stacey	Note Added: 0013236
2010-10-07 08:31	burlingk	Note Added: 0013237
2010-10-07 08:32	burlingk	Note Edited: 0013237	View Revisions
2010-11-07 20:43	Quietust	Note Added: 0013669
2010-12-22 10:57	hyperactiveChipmunk	Issue Monitored: hyperactiveChipmunk
2011-02-25 05:09	Artificer	Note Added: 0015496
2011-02-28 08:20	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004089
2011-05-07 08:57	randyshipp	Note Added: 0017647
2011-11-29 12:17	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004970
2012-01-21 14:59	Xars	Note Added: 0019409
2012-02-26 00:14	quintilius	Note Added: 0020700
2012-02-26 05:58	Xotano	Note Added: 0020709
2012-02-26 07:38	Footkerchief	Summary	Baron Demands Turtle Shell Door in Dining Room. => Baron demands turtle shell door in dining room, and other demands of improbable item/material combinations
2012-02-26 07:38	Footkerchief	Summary	Baron demands turtle shell door in dining room, and other demands of improbable item/material combinations => Baron demands turtle shell door in dining room, and other demands of unattainable item/material combinations
2013-03-03 23:44	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0023867
2013-03-03 23:44	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2013-03-05 16:21	Panzerdwarf	Note Added: 0023881
2013-03-05 22:01	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2013-03-05 22:01	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0023883
2014-07-17 00:38	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007408
2014-07-29 12:05	Dwarfu	Relationship added	related to 0007590
2014-07-29 12:08	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-07-29 12:08	Dwarfu	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-09-14 17:58	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0007098
2015-06-30 00:21	Chthon	Note Added: 0032824
2015-12-07 14:40	lethosor	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009263
2015-12-08 19:23	braiam	Issue Monitored: braiam
2015-12-08 19:24	braiam	Note Added: 0033660
2016-06-20 10:21	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2016-06-20 10:21	Dwarfu	Status	acknowledged => confirmed
2016-06-20 10:22	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009850
2016-12-08 05:47	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010083
2018-01-24 17:31	Robsoie	Note Added: 0037704
2018-01-24 21:56	Robsoie	Note Edited: 0037704	View Revisions
2018-01-25 06:46	Sarmatian123	Note Added: 0037707
2018-01-25 09:43	Dwarfu	Issue Monitored: Sarmatian123
2018-01-25 09:43	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0037708
2018-03-31 09:55	gorge	Note Added: 0038094
2018-07-18 12:56	lethosor	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010842
2020-12-01 13:58	Deity Link	Note Added: 0040812
2020-12-26 11:30	Corona688	Note Added: 0040830
2020-12-26 11:30	Corona688	Note Edited: 0040830	View Revisions

Notes
(0004685) DKS (reporter) 2010-04-22 23:58	I have got a demand for an adamantine bed in the dining room myself.

(0010951) tomsk (reporter) 2010-07-25 05:11	My Baroness just demanded a pewter bed for her throne room.

(0013218) phahoehoe (reporter) 2010-10-05 15:33	My mayor demand a steel bed

(0013219) smjjames (reporter) 2010-10-05 15:40	It's just one of those quirks of DF. The good thing though is that demands, unlike mandates, can be safely ignored without having one of your dwarves punished and the noble will forget about it after a while.

(0013236) Malibu Stacey (reporter) 2010-10-07 07:18	"It's just one of those quirks of DF." It's surprising how many bugs you describe as "quirks" smjjames. This is clearly a bug even if it's very benign.

(0013237) burlingk (reporter) 2010-10-07 08:31 edited on: 2010-10-07 08:32	Are you sure it is a bug? If the materials and the objects exist, there are those in the real world that will insist they have an object made of the material... Even if no one in their right mind is going to make it. Add to that the fact that moods do often produce these things. ^^;; After all, what kind of tyrant would be be if he asked for things you could actually produce? :)

(0013669) Quietust (reporter) 2010-11-07 20:43	Countess just demanded a steel bed in her tomb. Of course, a platinum bed would've been fine, since a moody blacksmith made one several years back.

(0015496) Artificer (reporter) 2011-02-25 05:09	My Countess is demanding a brass bed in her tomb... what is it with countesses wanting beds in their tombs? Bit creepy if you ask me.

(0017647) randyshipp (reporter) 2011-05-07 08:57	Mayor demands bismuth bronze bed in office. I'm with Malibu Stacey: it's a bug and should be fixed, unless it's the result of some actual mental instability in the ruler in question. I have no problem with unstable rulers making wacky requests, but healthy dwarves should not.

(0019409) Xars (reporter) 2012-01-21 14:59	Mayor demanded a platinum bed in his office. Impossible to complete unless a dwarf has a mood.

(0020700) quintilius (reporter) 2012-02-26 00:14	echoing the above - demand for steel bed in his office. i dont know what he thinks goes on in those meetings with elven ambassadors...

(0020709) Xotano (reporter) 2012-02-26 05:58	you know, usually they have a terrible "accident" after demanding such things.

(0023867) Dwarfu (manager) 2013-03-03 23:44	I can't say I've paid attention to demands in recent forts - did the mandate fix for 34.01 relax these types of demands as well (it was released around the time reporters stopped posting here)?

(0023881) Panzerdwarf (reporter) 2013-03-05 16:21	Mayor demands Billon bed in Dining Room.

(0023883) Dwarfu (manager) 2013-03-05 22:01	Thank you.

(0032824) Chthon (reporter) 2015-06-30 00:21	Just want to add, I have this in 2014 version. For me it's a bone throne from a kind of bird that doesn't even exist in my climate. Last I checked, bone is one of the materials you cannot make a throne out of, thus it's not isolated to beds.

(0033660) braiam (reporter) 2015-12-08 19:24	Still found on 42.02. Lay pewter bed in Dinning Room by Baron.

(0037704) Robsoie (reporter) 2018-01-24 17:31 edited on: 2018-01-24 21:56	Still present in 44.05 , my recent Baron just demanded a crystal glass bed. https://i.imgur.com/l0vtN9z.png [^]

(0037707) Sarmatian123 (reporter) 2018-01-25 06:46	Vanilla 0.44.05. My duchess just demanded trifle pewter table in her dining room. I have in stock like 50 trifle pewter bars. :) Still, she can keep dreaming. :) This entire faulty economic system of owning personal items, demands on items, production order demands, coins and hungry Dwarves eating basic cooking ingredients, when complaining about missing lavish food, while there are 100+ barrels of it... needs sorely rewriting from ground up. Including missing treasury workshop to store all material coins in. I know, there are people, who understand feudalism in the socialist lying propaganda way, but seriously even basic corporate capitalism is more close to it, then all you can squeeze out of the faulty socialist propaganda lies about feudalism. Like missing basic understanding, that feudal peasantry were actually small capitalists and not seasonal farm workers. Those last were hired by those feudal peasants in turn and not by noble land owners. Socialism puts entire feudal economy around on head, to coin phrase, that someone supposedly was "slave" in this economic system despite owning privately capital or shares in it.

(0037708) Dwarfu (manager) 2018-01-25 09:43	Reminder sent to: Sarmatian123 That sounds like suggestion territory and something more appropriate to discuss on the forums than in the bug report. Thanks.

(0038094) gorge (reporter) 2018-03-31 09:55	Confirmed in vanilla 44.07. Baron demands lay pewter bed.

(0040812) Deity Link (reporter) 2020-12-01 13:58	Confirmed in vanilla 47.04. Mayor demands a clear glass bed.

(0040830) Corona688 (reporter) 2020-12-26 11:30 edited on: 2020-12-26 11:30	Decorating a door with turtle shell will do IIRC, it need not be a 100% turtle shell door. You can also cut some clear glass and encrust a bed with them. Impossible objects can be created by fey moods sometimes, also. There was a floodgate made out of bone...