0000095: Refuse stockpile settings missing bones, shells

(0000102)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-01 22:21

um wow... just looked at this, yea, there's a really long list of crazy things on the refuse pile settings. an exhaustive list would be tedious in the extreme, but here's some highlights...meat,fish,logs,doors,weapons,armor,bins,... um... yea, this looks very very wrong.

(0000103)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-01 22:24

Out of curiosity, I deleted my furniture stockpile to see of it would move anything to the refuse stockpile (since it apparently takes everything). all seven dwarves are now idle, and nothing inappropriate is being moved into the refuse pile. That list is very wrong.

(0000112)
evileeyore (reporter)
2010-04-01 22:48

I believe that list is for items marked as "Dump" when you don't have a Dump Site designated.

I could be wrong.

However in 40d the Refuse list was crazy long with pretty much everything on it as well.

(0000113)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-01 22:56

Interesting theory, I just flagged a door for dumping and quickly disproved it. a door set to be dumped is not moved into the refuse pile.

(0000230)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-04-02 10:44

I have a mood dwarf wanting shells and I have no idea how to get them. I looked at the raws for the cave lobster and found no mention of shell - it now says 'chitin' (which, I know is its shell), but there may be some funny business going on there.

(0000271)
Khamero (reporter)
2010-04-02 13:00

Of the same reason my butchers shop is totally cluttered, since they wont move the bones, skulls and whatnot anywhere.

(0000286)
jeebussez (reporter)
2010-04-02 14:04

Skulls and bones are still ending up in my refuse stockpile, mysteriously.

(0000472)
Shurhaian (reporter)
2010-04-03 03:51

My guess is that the bones/shells/skulls are being counted as body parts; thus, a general refuse stockpile will accept them. However, there is no way to put the rottables outside and take the bones/shells/skulls in; if you accept one, you also get the other.

(0000477)
Lazureus (reporter)
2010-04-03 05:07

@Dwarfu: Chitin counts as leather in this game, you must grab shells off of turtles. If you have turtles, make sure you set them so they cant be cook-able via the kitchen as that destroys the shells. Dwarfs will eat the turtles and you get a nice shiny shell.

bones/shells/skulls may not be on the list, but they move to the stockpile just fine for me. The only problem I have with it is that you can turn it off. I usually have an outdoor refuse pile for rotting flesh objects and the bones get shipped inside for storage.

(0000910)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-04 13:24
edited on: 2010-04-04 13:25

@Lazureus - preparing the turtle now produces a shell, rather than the process of eating it...

(0000915)
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-04 13:33

Also not seeing bones, etc. in the refuse list. The other items (doors, etc) have always been there, though I never figured out what makes them count as REFUSE and not furniture.

(0001640)
Greyhawk (reporter)
2010-04-06 18:35

It's possible than tantruming dwarves destroying doors, bins and other stuff could be it.

A catch-all refuge pile does catch it, but I tried for a few minutes to see which setting it's included in with no luck.

(0002804)
kaefermelder (reporter)
2010-04-11 08:25
edited on: 2010-04-11 08:28

Bones, shells and anything else not edible from butchering now is 'body part'. My workaround: refuse pile inside accepts only body parts. Nervous tissue and such (which creates miasma(?) and ends up there too) is dumped manually outside or on a diagonally enclosed 1-tile dump. Outside pile does not accept body parts and receives mostly remains. since remains currently do not rot, I have to occasionally have to dump those too.

(0004222)
zengrath (reporter)
2010-04-19 07:13

I used to 40D where i can put shell/bones, etc. near my craft workshop inside, and keep rotting refuge outside.. but now i can't... so i have to have my craft workshop outside near my refuse.. or my refuse inside.

however i'm not having any of turtle shells go into refuse, it's just stacking up at fishery.. :/

(0004223)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-04-19 07:18

You can make a refuse stockpile that accepts only body parts from turtles and cave lobsters, that way you should get shells stockpile. Have not tried myself yet.

(0004224)
Nimrod (reporter)
2010-04-19 07:34

Rafal99 suggestion works btw. would be nice to have a bone/shell setting nevertheless

(0006040)
jhaskell (reporter)
2010-05-03 14:57
edited on: 2010-05-06 14:49

Thanks for moving the issue to the right category for me, Footkerchief. I made this issue before there were categories, and I wasn't able to properly classify it afterwards.

(0006042)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-03 15:02

^^^ No problem. Mantis made it pretty easy to go through all the "General" bugs and move them into the appropriate categories.

(0006250)
Flaede (reporter)
2010-05-05 23:03

nothing new, just really want this one changed.

(0006255)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-05-06 00:46

Bumping bugs is completely pointless. Please don't do that.

(0011693)
Telarin (reporter)
2010-08-10 08:41

Just a note to people that can't figure out why there are "other items" in the refuse listing. Any item that becomes XXdamagedXX is considered refuse, and will be moved to an appropriate refuse pile if that type of item is enabled. This is most common with clothing which seems to wear out over time, however, occassionally other items will be damaged and moved to the pile as well.

(0011700)
kwieland (reporter)
2010-08-10 13:35

@Telarin Have you seen clothing move to a refuse pile? While XXclothesXX would be nice to have moved to a refuse pile, my experience is that they are still owned by a dwarf. Dwarf owned stuff is stored in their own cabinet/etc when they have time to do so.

(0013180)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-10-04 04:29

I've added skull, bone, shell, hoof/horn and teeth to the refuse list now for 0.31.16, which I'm compiling up now.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-01 22:17	jhaskell	New Issue
2010-04-01 22:21	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000102
2010-04-01 22:24	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000103
2010-04-01 22:48	evileeyore	Note Added: 0000112
2010-04-01 22:56	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0000113
2010-04-02 06:41	Todestool	Tag Attached: stockpile
2010-04-02 10:44	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0000230
2010-04-02 10:45	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: shell
2010-04-02 13:00	Khamero	Note Added: 0000271
2010-04-02 14:04	jeebussez	Note Added: 0000286
2010-04-02 16:12	jhaskell	Tag Attached: interface
2010-04-02 16:14	jhaskell	Tag Attached: bones
2010-04-03 03:51	Shurhaian	Note Added: 0000472
2010-04-03 05:07	Lazureus	Note Added: 0000477
2010-04-04 12:50	adeptable	Issue Monitored: adeptable
2010-04-04 13:24	Logical2u	Note Added: 0000910
2010-04-04 13:25	Logical2u	Note Edited: 0000910	View Revisions
2010-04-04 13:33	Draco18s	Note Added: 0000915
2010-04-06 18:24	Dame de la Licorne	Issue Monitored: Dame de la Licorne
2010-04-06 18:35	Greyhawk	Note Added: 0001640
2010-04-09 17:55	Logical2u	Note Added: 0002479
2010-04-09 17:57	Logical2u	Note Deleted: 0002479
2010-04-11 08:25	kaefermelder	Note Added: 0002804
2010-04-11 08:25	kaefermelder	Note Edited: 0002804	View Revisions
2010-04-11 08:28	kaefermelder	Note Edited: 0002804	View Revisions
2010-04-13 04:51	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-04-13 09:27	supa	Issue Monitored: supa
2010-04-19 07:13	zengrath	Note Added: 0004222
2010-04-19 07:18	Rafal99	Note Added: 0004223
2010-04-19 07:34	Nimrod	Note Added: 0004224
2010-04-26 08:58	Silveron	Issue Monitored: Silveron
2010-04-28 14:06	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Stockpiles
2010-05-03 14:57	jhaskell	Note Added: 0006040
2010-05-03 15:02	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006042
2010-05-05 23:03	Flaede	Note Added: 0006250
2010-05-06 00:46	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0006255
2010-05-06 14:49	jhaskell	Note Edited: 0006040	View Revisions
2010-06-11 12:34	Conti	Issue Monitored: Conti
2010-06-11 14:30	smjjames	Issue Monitored: smjjames
2010-06-21 12:39	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001989
2010-06-25 15:57	sphr	Issue Monitored: sphr
2010-07-02 12:19	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001300
2010-07-12 03:35	RossM	Issue Monitored: RossM
2010-07-15 09:05	Murphy	Tag Attached: military titles
2010-07-15 09:05	Murphy	Tag Detached: military titles
2010-07-18 10:26	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000157
2010-07-18 10:26	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0001989
2010-07-25 15:19	Sfon	Issue Monitored: Sfon
2010-08-05 18:22	HebaruSan	Issue Monitored: HebaruSan
2010-08-07 02:53	Socharis	Issue Monitored: Socharis
2010-08-10 08:41	Telarin	Note Added: 0011693
2010-08-10 13:35	kwieland	Note Added: 0011700
2010-08-30 09:57	Shurikane	Issue Monitored: Shurikane
2010-09-09 15:42	Naros	Issue Monitored: Naros
2010-10-04 04:29	Toady One	Note Added: 0013180
2010-10-04 04:29	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-10-04 04:29	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.16
2010-10-04 04:29	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-10-04 04:29	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-10-04 07:36	smjjames	Issue End Monitor: smjjames
2010-10-04 18:37	Dame de la Licorne	Issue End Monitor: Dame de la Licorne
2010-10-07 20:24	Sfon	Issue End Monitor: Sfon
2010-10-11 15:23	Naros	Issue End Monitor: Naros
2010-10-14 07:53	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur
2011-02-22 03:38	RossM	Issue End Monitor: RossM
2011-03-06 03:00	Conti	Issue End Monitor: Conti
2014-01-29 10:35	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002762

Notes
(0000102) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-01 22:21	um wow... just looked at this, yea, there's a really long list of crazy things on the refuse pile settings. an exhaustive list would be tedious in the extreme, but here's some highlights...meat,fish,logs,doors,weapons,armor,bins,... um... yea, this looks very very wrong.

(0000103) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-01 22:24	Out of curiosity, I deleted my furniture stockpile to see of it would move anything to the refuse stockpile (since it apparently takes everything). all seven dwarves are now idle, and nothing inappropriate is being moved into the refuse pile. That list is very wrong.

(0000112) evileeyore (reporter) 2010-04-01 22:48	I believe that list is for items marked as "Dump" when you don't have a Dump Site designated. I could be wrong. However in 40d the Refuse list was crazy long with pretty much everything on it as well.

(0000113) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-01 22:56	Interesting theory, I just flagged a door for dumping and quickly disproved it. a door set to be dumped is not moved into the refuse pile.

(0000230) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-04-02 10:44	I have a mood dwarf wanting shells and I have no idea how to get them. I looked at the raws for the cave lobster and found no mention of shell - it now says 'chitin' (which, I know is its shell), but there may be some funny business going on there.

(0000271) Khamero (reporter) 2010-04-02 13:00	Of the same reason my butchers shop is totally cluttered, since they wont move the bones, skulls and whatnot anywhere.

(0000286) jeebussez (reporter) 2010-04-02 14:04	Skulls and bones are still ending up in my refuse stockpile, mysteriously.

(0000472) Shurhaian (reporter) 2010-04-03 03:51	My guess is that the bones/shells/skulls are being counted as body parts; thus, a general refuse stockpile will accept them. However, there is no way to put the rottables outside and take the bones/shells/skulls in; if you accept one, you also get the other.

(0000477) Lazureus (reporter) 2010-04-03 05:07	@Dwarfu: Chitin counts as leather in this game, you must grab shells off of turtles. If you have turtles, make sure you set them so they cant be cook-able via the kitchen as that destroys the shells. Dwarfs will eat the turtles and you get a nice shiny shell. bones/shells/skulls may not be on the list, but they move to the stockpile just fine for me. The only problem I have with it is that you can turn it off. I usually have an outdoor refuse pile for rotting flesh objects and the bones get shipped inside for storage.

(0000910) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-04 13:24 edited on: 2010-04-04 13:25	@Lazureus - preparing the turtle now produces a shell, rather than the process of eating it...

(0000915) Draco18s (reporter) 2010-04-04 13:33	Also not seeing bones, etc. in the refuse list. The other items (doors, etc) have always been there, though I never figured out what makes them count as REFUSE and not furniture.

(0001640) Greyhawk (reporter) 2010-04-06 18:35	It's possible than tantruming dwarves destroying doors, bins and other stuff could be it. A catch-all refuge pile does catch it, but I tried for a few minutes to see which setting it's included in with no luck.

(0002804) kaefermelder (reporter) 2010-04-11 08:25 edited on: 2010-04-11 08:28	Bones, shells and anything else not edible from butchering now is 'body part'. My workaround: refuse pile inside accepts only body parts. Nervous tissue and such (which creates miasma(?) and ends up there too) is dumped manually outside or on a diagonally enclosed 1-tile dump. Outside pile does not accept body parts and receives mostly remains. since remains currently do not rot, I have to occasionally have to dump those too.

(0004222) zengrath (reporter) 2010-04-19 07:13	I used to 40D where i can put shell/bones, etc. near my craft workshop inside, and keep rotting refuge outside.. but now i can't... so i have to have my craft workshop outside near my refuse.. or my refuse inside. however i'm not having any of turtle shells go into refuse, it's just stacking up at fishery.. :/

(0004223) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-04-19 07:18	You can make a refuse stockpile that accepts only body parts from turtles and cave lobsters, that way you should get shells stockpile. Have not tried myself yet.

(0004224) Nimrod (reporter) 2010-04-19 07:34	Rafal99 suggestion works btw. would be nice to have a bone/shell setting nevertheless

(0006040) jhaskell (reporter) 2010-05-03 14:57 edited on: 2010-05-06 14:49	Thanks for moving the issue to the right category for me, Footkerchief. I made this issue before there were categories, and I wasn't able to properly classify it afterwards.

(0006042) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-03 15:02	^^^ No problem. Mantis made it pretty easy to go through all the "General" bugs and move them into the appropriate categories.

(0006250) Flaede (reporter) 2010-05-05 23:03	nothing new, just really want this one changed.

(0006255) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-05-06 00:46	Bumping bugs is completely pointless. Please don't do that.

(0011693) Telarin (reporter) 2010-08-10 08:41	Just a note to people that can't figure out why there are "other items" in the refuse listing. Any item that becomes XXdamagedXX is considered refuse, and will be moved to an appropriate refuse pile if that type of item is enabled. This is most common with clothing which seems to wear out over time, however, occassionally other items will be damaged and moved to the pile as well.

(0011700) kwieland (reporter) 2010-08-10 13:35	@Telarin Have you seen clothing move to a refuse pile? While XXclothesXX would be nice to have moved to a refuse pile, my experience is that they are still owned by a dwarf. Dwarf owned stuff is stored in their own cabinet/etc when they have time to do so.

(0013180) Toady One (administrator) 2010-10-04 04:29	I've added skull, bone, shell, hoof/horn and teeth to the refuse list now for 0.31.16, which I'm compiling up now.