0006666: Trolls don't attack in adventure mode

(0025139)
falsewall (reporter)
2014-07-08 13:29

I can confirm this. Had the same thing happen in adventure mode. It wouldn't respond to my speaking with it either.

(0028683)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-08-09 17:05

Trolls are still passive in adventure mode.

(0028684)
Footkerchief (manager)
2014-08-09 17:30

A recent save would be helpful. Are these wild or domesticated trolls?

(0028685)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-08-09 18:00
edited on: 2014-08-09 18:08

Probably the trolls in the goblin sites, which would count as domesticated, though I think 'civilized' might be a better term.

They'll sometimes attack back when you attack as well, but they don't attack on sight or anything.

A while back (version 40.5 anyway), I ran into a troll recruit, which I guess was a wild troll, which continued aggro.

Footkerchief, would a save from 40.05 be fine? After I do this prisioner rescue operation, I can post one.

(0028686)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-08-09 18:21
edited on: 2014-08-09 18:22

Domesticated trolls, in a goblin site. Can provide a save, yeah. Almost all of them are passive, but a few are at "no quarter" to begin with. They were killing the framerate, so I just ran through and slaughtered 150 or so of them. I think I only got half, and the rest of them just sat there silently.

Will upload a save in a bit.

(0028687)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-08-09 18:37
edited on: 2014-08-09 20:45

I had a crash right after I did a wait one hour to get one of the kids to catch up, feh. So, I'll upload a save now, which is back to where I am trying to kill this demon.

It's version 40.05 and while I did give trolls the ability to talk and kobolds be able to speak normally, it's otherwise unchanged.

The trolls that I'm near are just ones which haven't been reduced to a quivering pile of jelly. Also, theres a bunch of trolls chasing around the demon and trying to attack it (they never do land a hit) and are friendly to me. Theres also apparently an insurrection going on. Theres a bunch of reports of 'I attacked me', no idea what's up with that.

http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9334 [^]

Edit: Doing blood drinking will REALLY rile them up.

(0028794)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-08-11 07:41
edited on: 2014-08-11 07:42

Possibly part of the same issue - minotaurs don't attack in adv. mode either. 40.07.

(0028830)
Skid (reporter)
2014-08-11 13:51

Trogolodyes also fail to attack, and when I hack one of them to the death with an axe the rest of the pack only goes to "non-lethal" combat.

(0028838)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-08-11 15:40

Another possible addition: might it have something to do with how large. dangerous animals are terrified of dwarves in fort mode? Elephants for instance. Dwarves used to be afraid of them, but now they walk past them like they don't exist, and the elephants flee in terror.

(0028840)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-08-11 16:14

Well yeah, there's the whole morale problems which affects all modes. That probably has to be fixed before we can really tell what's going on.

(0028844)
Talvieno (reporter)
2014-08-11 16:54
edited on: 2014-08-11 16:55

Forgot the save. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmoldkxouxdxe50/gimli_trolls.zip [^] Here you are.

And, you mean 0007161? I would almost certainly say it's related to that, yes.

(0029062)
simonswerwer (reporter)
2014-08-14 17:06

OP here. In my original 40.01 save, it was a wild troll I think, in the caverns outside a world gen dwarf fortress. He didn't move at all, just stood there frozen (but not petrified, I suspect).

(0029101)
smjjames (reporter)
2014-08-15 11:48
edited on: 2014-08-15 12:43

Drinking blood doesn't seem to faze them in 40.08, or least they aren't responding to it.

(0032173)
Detros (manager)
2015-02-08 02:41

In 40.24, my adventurer I spawned in retired fort that was under siege of goblins and trolls was not attacked by said trolls. They were either just standing around or fighting goblins (0003685).

(0037101)
Robsoie (reporter)
2017-11-29 13:09
edited on: 2017-11-29 13:11

In 44.02 this problem is still happening, trolls don't attack .
And worse : my companions AI do not attack them either.

I killed several of them and still neither the surviving trolls or my companions are joining the fight

Saved game :
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13246 [^]

(0037142)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2017-11-30 07:39

This report has a younger duplicate/relation within 0010031 since it precedes it in age.

Trolls are a [LARGE_PREDATOR] type yet troglodytes are not and similarly affected in the attached issue report above, wild intelligent & semi sapients would not attack the player compared to in this current report semi-sapients on sites.

Which seems to be a worsening of the behavior first noticed here.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-07-08 10:08	simonswerwer	New Issue
2014-07-08 13:29	falsewall	Note Added: 0025139
2014-07-08 13:36	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006689
2014-07-08 13:37	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006634
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Relationship added	duplicate of 0006547
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => duplicate
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0006689
2014-07-08 13:40	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0006634
2014-08-09 15:50	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0006547
2014-08-09 15:52	Footkerchief	Status	resolved => confirmed
2014-08-09 15:52	Footkerchief	Resolution	duplicate => open
2014-08-09 17:05	Talvieno	Note Added: 0028683
2014-08-09 17:30	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0028684
2014-08-09 17:30	Footkerchief	Status	confirmed => needs feedback
2014-08-09 18:00	smjjames	Note Added: 0028685
2014-08-09 18:01	smjjames	Note Edited: 0028685	View Revisions
2014-08-09 18:08	smjjames	Note Edited: 0028685	View Revisions
2014-08-09 18:21	Talvieno	Note Added: 0028686
2014-08-09 18:22	Talvieno	Note Edited: 0028686	View Revisions
2014-08-09 18:37	smjjames	Note Added: 0028687
2014-08-09 18:38	smjjames	Note Edited: 0028687	View Revisions
2014-08-09 20:45	smjjames	Note Edited: 0028687	View Revisions
2014-08-11 07:41	Talvieno	Note Added: 0028794
2014-08-11 07:42	Talvieno	Note Edited: 0028794	View Revisions
2014-08-11 13:51	Skid	Note Added: 0028830
2014-08-11 15:40	Talvieno	Note Added: 0028838
2014-08-11 15:40	Talvieno	Issue Monitored: Talvieno
2014-08-11 16:14	smjjames	Note Added: 0028840
2014-08-11 16:54	Talvieno	Note Added: 0028844
2014-08-11 16:55	Talvieno	Note Edited: 0028844	View Revisions
2014-08-14 17:06	simonswerwer	Note Added: 0029062
2014-08-14 17:06	simonswerwer	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-08-15 11:48	smjjames	Note Added: 0029101
2014-08-15 12:43	smjjames	Note Edited: 0029101	View Revisions
2015-02-08 02:41	Detros	Note Added: 0032173
2017-11-29 13:09	Robsoie	Note Added: 0037101
2017-11-29 13:11	Robsoie	Note Edited: 0037101	View Revisions
2017-11-30 07:39	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0037142
2018-01-08 19:38	thvaz	Issue Monitored: thvaz
2018-04-16 17:09	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0025139) falsewall (reporter) 2014-07-08 13:29	I can confirm this. Had the same thing happen in adventure mode. It wouldn't respond to my speaking with it either.

(0028683) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-08-09 17:05	Trolls are still passive in adventure mode.

(0028684) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-09 17:30	A recent save would be helpful. Are these wild or domesticated trolls?

(0028685) smjjames (reporter) 2014-08-09 18:00 edited on: 2014-08-09 18:08	Probably the trolls in the goblin sites, which would count as domesticated, though I think 'civilized' might be a better term. They'll sometimes attack back when you attack as well, but they don't attack on sight or anything. A while back (version 40.5 anyway), I ran into a troll recruit, which I guess was a wild troll, which continued aggro. Footkerchief, would a save from 40.05 be fine? After I do this prisioner rescue operation, I can post one.

(0028686) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-08-09 18:21 edited on: 2014-08-09 18:22	Domesticated trolls, in a goblin site. Can provide a save, yeah. Almost all of them are passive, but a few are at "no quarter" to begin with. They were killing the framerate, so I just ran through and slaughtered 150 or so of them. I think I only got half, and the rest of them just sat there silently. Will upload a save in a bit.

(0028687) smjjames (reporter) 2014-08-09 18:37 edited on: 2014-08-09 20:45	I had a crash right after I did a wait one hour to get one of the kids to catch up, feh. So, I'll upload a save now, which is back to where I am trying to kill this demon. It's version 40.05 and while I did give trolls the ability to talk and kobolds be able to speak normally, it's otherwise unchanged. The trolls that I'm near are just ones which haven't been reduced to a quivering pile of jelly. Also, theres a bunch of trolls chasing around the demon and trying to attack it (they never do land a hit) and are friendly to me. Theres also apparently an insurrection going on. Theres a bunch of reports of 'I attacked me', no idea what's up with that. http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=9334 [^] Edit: Doing blood drinking will REALLY rile them up.

(0028794) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-08-11 07:41 edited on: 2014-08-11 07:42	Possibly part of the same issue - minotaurs don't attack in adv. mode either. 40.07.

(0028830) Skid (reporter) 2014-08-11 13:51	Trogolodyes also fail to attack, and when I hack one of them to the death with an axe the rest of the pack only goes to "non-lethal" combat.

(0028838) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-08-11 15:40	Another possible addition: might it have something to do with how large. dangerous animals are terrified of dwarves in fort mode? Elephants for instance. Dwarves used to be afraid of them, but now they walk past them like they don't exist, and the elephants flee in terror.

(0028840) smjjames (reporter) 2014-08-11 16:14	Well yeah, there's the whole morale problems which affects all modes. That probably has to be fixed before we can really tell what's going on.

(0028844) Talvieno (reporter) 2014-08-11 16:54 edited on: 2014-08-11 16:55	Forgot the save. https://www.dropbox.com/s/gmoldkxouxdxe50/gimli_trolls.zip [^] Here you are. And, you mean 0007161? I would almost certainly say it's related to that, yes.

(0029062) simonswerwer (reporter) 2014-08-14 17:06	OP here. In my original 40.01 save, it was a wild troll I think, in the caverns outside a world gen dwarf fortress. He didn't move at all, just stood there frozen (but not petrified, I suspect).

(0029101) smjjames (reporter) 2014-08-15 11:48 edited on: 2014-08-15 12:43	Drinking blood doesn't seem to faze them in 40.08, or least they aren't responding to it.

(0032173) Detros (manager) 2015-02-08 02:41	In 40.24, my adventurer I spawned in retired fort that was under siege of goblins and trolls was not attacked by said trolls. They were either just standing around or fighting goblins (0003685).

(0037101) Robsoie (reporter) 2017-11-29 13:09 edited on: 2017-11-29 13:11	In 44.02 this problem is still happening, trolls don't attack . And worse : my companions AI do not attack them either. I killed several of them and still neither the surviving trolls or my companions are joining the fight Saved game : http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13246 [^]

(0037142) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2017-11-30 07:39	This report has a younger duplicate/relation within 0010031 since it precedes it in age. Trolls are a [LARGE_PREDATOR] type yet troglodytes are not and similarly affected in the attached issue report above, wild intelligent & semi sapients would not attack the player compared to in this current report semi-sapients on sites. Which seems to be a worsening of the behavior first noticed here.