0010340: Soldier visitors, ignore visitor cap and act strangely

(0036943)
fluffyshambler (reporter)
2017-11-23 18:40

Relevant save file: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13204 [^]

(0036945)
mrmagolor (reporter)
2017-11-23 19:28

Can confirm this happening to me as well.

(0036950)
Dwarfu (manager)
2017-11-23 22:10

For the visitor cap, relevant thread:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168313.msg7625565#msg7625565 [^]

Orkel
"The visitor cap doesn't work it seems, tavern keeps filling up with people even though it's set low."

Toady One
"I believe questers ignore the caps now. There's a gray area there and we'll have to deal with it somehow."

(0036992)
thvaz (reporter)
2017-11-25 10:22

While in my fortress they didn't appear until I built a tavern, after that they just don't stop coming. There must be about a hundred. Forbidding the tavern to outsiders doesn't work, though they stop socializing.

(0037001)
Orkel (reporter)
2017-11-25 12:36

Yes can confirm. The questers never leave the fort, keep piling up more and more until FPS death.

(0037002)
thvaz (reporter)
2017-11-25 12:50

Yeah, it is pretty game breaking.

(0037024)
sionlife (reporter)
2017-11-26 06:13

Happening to me too. I am in year 1 of the fort. Just built a tavern, I don't have many buildings yet. I've got 77 visitors, all warrior types, just piled into the tavern. They are all asking questions and seeking information. I have got VISITOR_CAP set to 25 in d_init.txt. They gradually started to leave all by themselves, but I still have about 40 left.

(0037031)
chaosvolt (reporter)
2017-11-26 10:36

Relevant info: I've had these fuckers show up even WITHOUT a tavern.

Also, screenshot of early winter, second year, in a fort deliberately kept at 7 dwarves: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173888543419006976/384398426197983244/unknown.png [^]

At least it's not as extreme as 77 in year 1, but sweet Armok.

(0037084)
fizzzbannn (reporter)
2017-11-28 17:33

I had 148 visitors before the end of year one. Most were elves with a few humans scattered in. All types of visitors have been showing up. I have no locations active yet so I put all my visitors in a meeting zone right outside my fort's entrance. They are an absolutely epic meat shield...

(0037132)
Dwarfu (manager)
2017-11-30 00:10

Save from Kvall at 0010391:
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13251 [^]

(0037136)
FantasticDorf (reporter)
2017-11-30 01:16

Anecdotally i have also experienced a dwarf soldier listed as 'friendly' not a visitor entering & leaving the map with a 90% turn west entry to north exit, seemingly pathing through my site. I currently have my eyes peeled to see if i can experience it again and get more info.

Is this related to civilisations sending out artifact questers who use the road connections/travel through your site to another location?

(0037181)
Kvall (reporter)
2017-12-02 06:43

Another note, I've noticed if I leave the questers as a meatshield for the nearby tower, every dwarven visitor out there who dies seems to be treated as a citizen, demanding burial in MY catacombs.

(0037220)
Loci (manager)
2017-12-04 08:39

Cap-ignoring questers can also freeze out cap-respecting visitors (0010412).

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2017-11-23 18:39	fluffyshambler	New Issue
2017-11-23 18:39	fluffyshambler	Issue Monitored: fluffyshambler
2017-11-23 18:40	fluffyshambler	Note Added: 0036943
2017-11-23 19:28	mrmagolor	Note Added: 0036945
2017-11-23 22:10	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0036950
2017-11-23 22:10	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2017-11-23 22:10	Dwarfu	Status	new => confirmed
2017-11-25 10:22	thvaz	Note Added: 0036992
2017-11-25 12:36	Orkel	Note Added: 0037001
2017-11-25 12:50	thvaz	Note Added: 0037002
2017-11-26 03:29	Detros	Relationship added	related to 0010362
2017-11-26 06:13	sionlife	Note Added: 0037024
2017-11-26 10:36	chaosvolt	Note Added: 0037031
2017-11-28 09:47	chaosvolt	Issue Monitored: chaosvolt
2017-11-28 17:33	fizzzbannn	Note Added: 0037084
2017-11-30 00:10	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0037132
2017-11-30 00:11	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010391
2017-11-30 01:16	FantasticDorf	Note Added: 0037136
2017-12-02 06:13	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010404
2017-12-02 06:17	Loci	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2017-12-02 06:43	Kvall	Note Added: 0037181
2017-12-04 08:36	Loci	Relationship added	parent of 0010412
2017-12-04 08:39	Loci	Note Added: 0037220
2017-12-19 17:03	Toady One	Status	confirmed => resolved
2017-12-19 17:03	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> Next Version
2017-12-19 17:03	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2017-12-19 17:03	Toady One	Assigned To	Dwarfu => Toady One
2017-12-20 06:03	chaosvolt	Issue End Monitor: chaosvolt
2018-01-11 21:03	Loci	Sticky Issue	Yes => No

Notes
(0036943) fluffyshambler (reporter) 2017-11-23 18:40	Relevant save file: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13204 [^]

(0036945) mrmagolor (reporter) 2017-11-23 19:28	Can confirm this happening to me as well.

(0036950) Dwarfu (manager) 2017-11-23 22:10	For the visitor cap, relevant thread: http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=168313.msg7625565#msg7625565 [^] Orkel "The visitor cap doesn't work it seems, tavern keeps filling up with people even though it's set low." Toady One "I believe questers ignore the caps now. There's a gray area there and we'll have to deal with it somehow."

(0036992) thvaz (reporter) 2017-11-25 10:22	While in my fortress they didn't appear until I built a tavern, after that they just don't stop coming. There must be about a hundred. Forbidding the tavern to outsiders doesn't work, though they stop socializing.

(0037001) Orkel (reporter) 2017-11-25 12:36	Yes can confirm. The questers never leave the fort, keep piling up more and more until FPS death.

(0037002) thvaz (reporter) 2017-11-25 12:50	Yeah, it is pretty game breaking.

(0037024) sionlife (reporter) 2017-11-26 06:13	Happening to me too. I am in year 1 of the fort. Just built a tavern, I don't have many buildings yet. I've got 77 visitors, all warrior types, just piled into the tavern. They are all asking questions and seeking information. I have got VISITOR_CAP set to 25 in d_init.txt. They gradually started to leave all by themselves, but I still have about 40 left.

(0037031) chaosvolt (reporter) 2017-11-26 10:36	Relevant info: I've had these fuckers show up even WITHOUT a tavern. Also, screenshot of early winter, second year, in a fort deliberately kept at 7 dwarves: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/173888543419006976/384398426197983244/unknown.png [^] At least it's not as extreme as 77 in year 1, but sweet Armok.

(0037084) fizzzbannn (reporter) 2017-11-28 17:33	I had 148 visitors before the end of year one. Most were elves with a few humans scattered in. All types of visitors have been showing up. I have no locations active yet so I put all my visitors in a meeting zone right outside my fort's entrance. They are an absolutely epic meat shield...

(0037132) Dwarfu (manager) 2017-11-30 00:10	Save from Kvall at 0010391: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=13251 [^]

(0037136) FantasticDorf (reporter) 2017-11-30 01:16	Anecdotally i have also experienced a dwarf soldier listed as 'friendly' not a visitor entering & leaving the map with a 90% turn west entry to north exit, seemingly pathing through my site. I currently have my eyes peeled to see if i can experience it again and get more info. Is this related to civilisations sending out artifact questers who use the road connections/travel through your site to another location?

(0037181) Kvall (reporter) 2017-12-02 06:43	Another note, I've noticed if I leave the questers as a meatshield for the nearby tower, every dwarven visitor out there who dies seems to be treated as a citizen, demanding burial in MY catacombs.

(0037220) Loci (manager) 2017-12-04 08:39	Cap-ignoring questers can also freeze out cap-respecting visitors (0010412).