0001451: Military equipment interferes with civilian equipment (picks/axes/crossbows/quivers)

Notes
(0004699) Areyar (reporter) 2010-04-23 05:25	What I think is happening: military positions are selecting equipment randomly from stocks. n.b. embark with axes, lumberjacks. civilian woodcutters will take a (random) axe. put woodsdwarves in axemen squad. squad positions select again random (rather than closest to dwarf in positionX) axe. activate squad. dwarf holds holds weapon claimed by other: drop axe. dwarf wants axe held by other dwarf: get axe. If this is true, then this should work around the issue. remove the woodcutter job from all dwarves, let dwarves drop and store axes. assign axemen to squad, activate squad, let them collect equipment. reactivate woodcutter job on conscripted axemen. set squad to inactive alert. civilians should now equip nearest axe (if lumberjack is first job in list) The military incarnation's axe is fixed. Problems arise again if mil>civ drops axe.

(0004730) Blah (reporter) 2010-04-23 10:17	>> What I think is happening: >> military positions are selecting equipment randomly from stocks. This isn't random. I tested it about 10 times on different embarks while trying to understand what the root of the problem was. He always dropped his current axe (except at one point in one embark from which things started workign correctly for some inexplicable reason. It always worked correctly after that in that embark, but kept reoccuring in the next embarks)

(0005340) Areyar (reporter) 2010-04-27 08:10	so... the dwarf swaps axe every time he/she switches from military to civilian status?

(0006728) Inspiration (reporter) 2010-05-15 10:09	Depends. When I was killing off a deer that had wandered into my fort, Urist McWoodcutter made short work of him with his axe. Then, a bear wanders by, and I try to preemptively kill him, and Urist McWoodcutter proceeds to drop his freaking axe and try to wrestle the bear. "Urist McWoodcutter has bled to death"

(0008751) vasiln (reporter) 2010-06-20 02:30	This also happens with miners who have been assigned picks.

(0011450) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-08-03 10:25	Briggs uploaded this save for 0002906: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=2888 [^]

(0012633) Hieronymous Alloy (reporter) 2010-09-14 09:37	I've had a problem that I believe is connected to this. I've noticed that I'll sometimes get military dwarves -- soldier icon, "axedwarf" or whatever profession name -- idling in my meeting area, holding only an axe. Once I read this bug I realized what was going on, turned off all my Woodcutting labors with dwarf therapist, and they all dropped their axes, got their gear, and started training.

(0019494) icecon (reporter) 2012-02-14 01:46	I had the same problem as Briggs: On embark I had 3 pesky gorlaks interrupting my dig orders so I dispatched my Axedwarf/Woodcutter to clear them. He did so handily, but after the job was done he didn't pick up his axe from the ground - he seems to have dropped it in the fight - and wouldn't get to work chopping trees. (The save file is at this moment) I tried reassigning woodcutting to another dwarf as well as rotating the military commander, etc.. The axe isn't necessarily stuck as dwarves will move it to a weapon stockpile, as well as equip it thereafter. Still, they refused to chop wood after I enabled woodcutting which left my dwarves without beds :(. Here's the save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5480 [^]

(0020577) isitanos (reporter) 2012-02-23 17:47	I struggled with this problem with a woodcutter for a while before I gave up and removed him from the military. However, he wouldn't let go of his wooden training axe and kept using it to chop trees down. Not even sure how that worked, but the resulting slowness in cutting tress was a huge problem for my small fortress' beginning economy.

(0021801) thvaz (reporter) 2012-03-27 15:54	This bug is related (or even a duplicate) of bug 2959.

(0022812) Rafal99 (reporter) 2012-06-02 10:49 edited on: 2012-06-02 10:51	This bug also causes Miners/Woodcutters/Hunters to refuse to wear their military armor when civilian. It seems the game creates a separate "uniform" for their civilian tasks, which means they won't use any of the items assigned to their military uniform, such as the axes or armor.

(0022906) Kogut (reporter) 2012-06-08 04:48 edited on: 2012-06-08 05:42	34.11 save with miner and woodcutter that claimed armour and refuse to wear it (embark with armour, miner and woodcutter, create squad to replicate): http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6450 [^]

(0022908) Knight Otu (manager) 2012-06-08 05:44	Thanks, Kogut. I've changed the link in your note to point directly to the file, rather than the submit redirect, just in case.

(0022956) Katie (reporter) 2012-06-11 06:01	Not sure if its been mentioned, but in 34.11 it seems military wont wear a piece of armor as long as they have something else covering that part. My dwarves refused to wear steel boots and gloves because they had nice little cloth and leather boots and gloves.

(0023578) MightyRavenDark (reporter) 2012-09-16 00:44	This is not the case for me (dwarves refuse to wear helmets, boots, gauntlets when assigned) as I tried using the 'Replace Clothing' designation and they merely removed their clothing and continued to ignore non-forbidden gear that was sitting in a bin. I feel as though there is something wrong with bins in 34.11 that is causing dwarves to ignore certain items. As far as I know they don't want to bother with gauntlets, boots, and helmets but usually equip everything else, here is my save: http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=6925 [^]

(0023740) hermes (reporter) 2012-11-21 16:07	I just had this bug on a new embark... created squad to kill dingoes, when kill order was complete two dorfs dropped their axes where they stood (pretty strange in itself) and subsequent chop tree designations were not fulfilled. Dorf with woodcutting enabled walked over to the axe and just stood next to it. When squad was disbanded he picked it up and went to work. Can upload save if needed.

(0025604) Rafal99 (reporter) 2014-07-10 14:55	I confirm this still happens in 40.01. Miner who was put in military and assigned armor, won't wear the armor while not in duty, despite his squad being set to "Uniformed when civilian". As soon as I deactivate the squad the miner rushes to store all his armor in stockpile and get his pick back. So the civilian equipment (in this case pick) still prevents a dwarf from wearing military uniform at the same time.

(0029628) chaosvolt (reporter) 2014-08-25 20:41	Observed pretty much since I've started playing DF. And furthermore, every time I conscript hunters as markdwarves (or crossbowmen, or bowelves, whatever the modding mood of the day is) will result in their dropping the armament they migrated with to pick up new equipment.

(0031198) Infinite Monkeys (reporter) 2014-11-27 06:18	This is a pretty big problem in the early game - it's logical to make your woodcutters, hunters and maybe even miners also serve as your military, but this is currently extremely awkward. The squad has to be created and the weapon manually added when there is a threat, then the weapon unassigned from the dwarf and the dwarf removed from the squad so that they will use that weapon for their job. Even removing the dwarf from the squad alone doesn't work, you have to actually unassign the weapon from them in the equipment menu or they'll ignore it.

(0034229) martinuzz (reporter) 2015-12-27 16:42	My 2 cents on the issue: It's a conflict between a) a pick that is assigned via the military equipment screen will never be used for mining, since the game only considers it as a weapon and not a tool b) a miner dropping his pick when you draft him into the military, because his uniform will tell him to, unless you assign a pick, which brings you back to a) This is a very, very longstanding bug. Think it dates back to the 2d (no z-levels) version. I see two possible solutions: 1) change the code of the military weapon assignment to allow the game to recognize assigned military picks as digging tools 2) adding a whole new inventory slot type, "tools", where a dwarf will wear pickaxes and battle axes assigned via the labour list. This would prevent dropping the pick when militarized. A dwarf could then just have 2 picks. One for digging, worn on the tool slot, and one strapped to the body the way weapons are. I think 2) would probably be easier (require less ripping open of code), but then, I'm no coder, just a dabbling logician

(0034238) SirPenguin (reporter) 2015-12-28 10:30	It's definitely not a longstanding bug - well, I mean, it's been around for years but that's more because the military arc was also done years ago. Prior to the military arc miners and woodcutters used to be the closest thing to a civilian militia we had. If they were near an enemy you could immediately put them in a one-person squad and they'd attack with their pick or axe. This would also use their mining/woodcutting stats to determine their skill so they'd often be really good fighters That all broke in the military arc I think the fastest fix is to simply delay the "am i wearing the right equipment?" check until after combat or only when they have no active orders. it wouldn't eliminate all the issues but at least it wouldn't impact the early game as much (when your 'military' is mostly civilian conscripts)

(0038610) ArmokGoB (reporter) 2018-07-17 18:31	Can confirm this is still present in 0.44.12. Had to queue up axes so that my woodcutters would do their job.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-23 02:37	Blah	New Issue
2010-04-23 05:25	Areyar	Note Added: 0004699
2010-04-23 10:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000535
2010-04-23 10:17	Blah	Note Added: 0004730
2010-04-23 21:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001478
2010-04-27 06:16	Abalieno	Issue Monitored: Abalieno
2010-04-27 08:10	Areyar	Note Added: 0005340
2010-05-15 10:09	Inspiration	Note Added: 0006728
2010-06-20 02:30	vasiln	Note Added: 0008751
2010-06-30 13:45	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000523
2010-07-16 09:09	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001693
2010-07-16 09:09	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Footkerchief
2010-07-24 21:48	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-07-25 15:06	Sfon	Issue Monitored: Sfon
2010-08-03 10:24	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002906
2010-08-03 10:24	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: Briggs
2010-08-03 10:25	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011450
2010-09-09 07:25	Sfon	Issue End Monitor: Sfon
2010-09-14 09:37	Hieronymous Alloy	Note Added: 0012633
2010-09-14 09:37	Hieronymous Alloy	Issue Monitored: Hieronymous Alloy
2010-10-21 07:23	Another	Issue Monitored: Another
2011-02-28 21:06	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000737
2011-02-28 21:39	Footkerchief	Summary	woodcutter can't use his axe for military; needs a different weapon => Military equipment interferes with civilian equipment (picks/axes/crossbows/quivers)
2011-02-28 21:39	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000353
2011-02-28 21:39	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0000353
2011-02-28 21:39	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0000535
2011-02-28 21:39	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0002143
2011-02-28 21:40	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0002127
2011-02-28 21:40	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000680
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0003733
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	parent of 0003733
2011-02-28 21:41	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0004062
2011-02-28 21:42	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000110
2011-02-28 21:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000340
2011-02-28 21:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000712
2011-02-28 21:45	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	parent of 0003733
2011-02-28 22:05	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2011-03-06 03:02	Conti	Issue Monitored: Conti
2011-03-16 06:23	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0004236
2011-03-21 02:12	Naros	Issue Monitored: Naros
2011-08-26 01:58	zwei	Issue Monitored: zwei
2011-09-01 05:52	Alien	Note Added: 0018664
2011-09-01 08:34	Alien	Issue Monitored: Alien
2011-10-09 04:07	Alien	Note Deleted: 0018664
2012-02-14 01:46	icecon	Note Added: 0019494
2012-02-23 17:47	isitanos	Note Added: 0020577
2012-02-23 17:48	isitanos	Issue Monitored: isitanos
2012-02-23 20:30	Rafal99	Issue Monitored: Rafal99
2012-02-26 11:51	Buglist	Issue Monitored: Buglist
2012-03-05 09:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005300
2012-03-05 09:05	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001016
2012-03-05 09:05	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0005300
2012-03-27 15:54	thvaz	Note Added: 0021801
2012-03-27 19:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0002959
2012-06-02 10:49	Rafal99	Note Added: 0022812
2012-06-02 10:51	Rafal99	Note Edited: 0022812	View Revisions
2012-06-08 04:33	Kogut	Note Added: 0022905
2012-06-08 04:44	Kogut	Note Deleted: 0022905
2012-06-08 04:48	Kogut	Note Added: 0022906
2012-06-08 05:00	Kogut	Note Edited: 0022906	View Revisions
2012-06-08 05:42	Knight Otu	Note Edited: 0022906	View Revisions
2012-06-08 05:44	Knight Otu	Note Added: 0022908
2012-06-11 06:01	Katie	Note Added: 0022956
2012-08-11 07:00	lcf	Issue Monitored: lcf
2012-09-16 00:44	MightyRavenDark	Note Added: 0023578
2012-11-21 16:07	hermes	Note Added: 0023740
2013-09-23 09:53	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0005300
2013-12-07 04:56	Thundercraft	Issue Monitored: Thundercraft
2014-07-10 14:55	Rafal99	Note Added: 0025604
2014-07-26 06:46	Dwarfu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0007640
2014-07-26 06:47	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0027590
2014-07-26 07:29	Dwarfu	Relationship deleted	has duplicate 0007640
2014-07-26 07:30	Dwarfu	Note Deleted: 0027590
2014-07-26 07:32	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu
2014-07-26 07:32	Dwarfu	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-07-29 09:06	Kanddak	Issue Monitored: Kanddak
2014-07-30 04:15	Kirkegaard	Issue Monitored: Kirkegaard
2014-08-09 10:48	Dwarfu	Status	acknowledged => confirmed
2014-08-25 20:41	chaosvolt	Note Added: 0029628
2014-09-25 09:07	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0008345
2014-11-27 06:18	Infinite Monkeys	Note Added: 0031198
2015-04-16 15:53	Afghani84	Issue Monitored: Afghani84
2015-12-12 12:44	Calite	Issue Monitored: Calite
2015-12-27 11:13	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2015-12-27 16:42	martinuzz	Note Added: 0034229
2015-12-28 10:30	SirPenguin	Note Added: 0034238
2017-02-24 09:34	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0009007
2017-04-12 07:43	Loci	Relationship added	parent of 0010179
2017-05-10 03:44	Loci	Relationship added	has duplicate 0010228
2018-07-17 18:31	ArmokGoB	Note Added: 0038610
2019-08-13 13:49	Loci	Relationship added	related to 0008961