0001362: crossbows don't do enough damage to camels

(0004326)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-04-20 05:51

There seems to be alot of tuning required for weapon damage in the current version. 0000023 is a good example where bites in the current game cant even hurt dwarves as long as they have clothing.

(0004331)
Lemunde (reporter)
2010-04-20 07:57

If bone is anything like wood then it is much less effective in this version. Wood is primarily used for training weapons and I'm sure this includes ammo. Try some iron bolts and see what that gets you.

(0004343)
Blah (reporter)
2010-04-20 09:59

Metal bolts are much more effective (5 shots with silver bolts), it just doesn't seem right that they're required (on desert maps at least). Fishing and farming don't require a metal industry to get started and keep working.

(0004344)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-20 10:04

Except that you don't need to kill anything for farming and fishing (you do kill the fishes before you eat them, but thats not my point). You can make do with wooden or bone farming tools and bone fishhooks have been used since prehistoric times.

(0004389)
fidsah (reporter)
2010-04-20 16:57

Hunting made due with wooden and bone tools since prehistoric times, too.

(0004391)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-20 17:13

True, but the timeline is suppoused to be 15th and 16th century or so, not prehistoric.

(0011099)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-07-26 13:05

Reminder sent to: Blah

Combat has been significantly rebalanced in recent versions. Do bolts do enough damage against camels in 31.12?

(0011746)
Dwarfu (manager)
2010-08-12 14:02

Because of the specific changes to the bolts, I'm going to mark this as resolved. The changes are ongoing, so there may still be some issues with bolts in general.

Blah, or any other reporter, if you find that this report is still tangible in versions 31.12 and above, please reopen this report with your new findings.

Per Dev Log on 07/05/2010
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ [^]
"The bolts in the currently released version are more like flying cheese graters or something in that they are light but really flat with a cutting surface, and the contact area changes I had to make to fix that..."

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-20 03:43	Blah	New Issue
2010-04-20 05:51	Cryten	Note Added: 0004326
2010-04-20 07:57	Lemunde	Note Added: 0004331
2010-04-20 09:43	Kennel	Tag Attached: balance
2010-04-20 09:43	Kennel	Tag Attached: combat
2010-04-20 09:43	Kennel	Tag Attached: crossbow
2010-04-20 09:46	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000833
2010-04-20 09:59	Blah	Note Added: 0004343
2010-04-20 10:04	smjjames	Note Added: 0004344
2010-04-20 16:57	fidsah	Note Added: 0004389
2010-04-20 17:13	smjjames	Note Added: 0004391
2010-07-26 13:05	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0011099
2010-07-26 13:06	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-08-12 13:58	Dwarfu	Tag Detached: AWAITING UPDATE
2010-08-12 14:02	Dwarfu	Note Added: 0011746
2010-08-12 14:02	Dwarfu	Status	new => resolved
2010-08-12 14:02	Dwarfu	Resolution	open => no change required
2010-08-12 14:02	Dwarfu	Assigned To	=> Dwarfu

Notes
(0004326) Cryten (reporter) 2010-04-20 05:51	There seems to be alot of tuning required for weapon damage in the current version. 0000023 is a good example where bites in the current game cant even hurt dwarves as long as they have clothing.

(0004331) Lemunde (reporter) 2010-04-20 07:57	If bone is anything like wood then it is much less effective in this version. Wood is primarily used for training weapons and I'm sure this includes ammo. Try some iron bolts and see what that gets you.

(0004343) Blah (reporter) 2010-04-20 09:59	Metal bolts are much more effective (5 shots with silver bolts), it just doesn't seem right that they're required (on desert maps at least). Fishing and farming don't require a metal industry to get started and keep working.

(0004344) smjjames (reporter) 2010-04-20 10:04	Except that you don't need to kill anything for farming and fishing (you do kill the fishes before you eat them, but thats not my point). You can make do with wooden or bone farming tools and bone fishhooks have been used since prehistoric times.

(0004389) fidsah (reporter) 2010-04-20 16:57	Hunting made due with wooden and bone tools since prehistoric times, too.

(0004391) smjjames (reporter) 2010-04-20 17:13	True, but the timeline is suppoused to be 15th and 16th century or so, not prehistoric.

(0011099) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-07-26 13:05	Reminder sent to: Blah Combat has been significantly rebalanced in recent versions. Do bolts do enough damage against camels in 31.12?

(0011746) Dwarfu (manager) 2010-08-12 14:02	Because of the specific changes to the bolts, I'm going to mark this as resolved. The changes are ongoing, so there may still be some issues with bolts in general. Blah, or any other reporter, if you find that this report is still tangible in versions 31.12 and above, please reopen this report with your new findings. Per Dev Log on 07/05/2010 http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/ [^] "The bolts in the currently released version are more like flying cheese graters or something in that they are light but really flat with a cutting surface, and the contact area changes I had to make to fix that..."