0002323: Mason skill not increased by building walls and other constructions

(0008398)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-06-14 02:18

I believe mansonry does not cover the bulding of objects, thats Architecture, which dosnt have a skill growth pattern.
No change required.

(0008401)
Rafal99 (reporter)
2010-06-14 05:28

Architecture covers bulding objects that need an architect (bridges and furnaces for example). Building stone walls used to give experience in mason skill. I think my masons had no problem with it in a fortress I played in 0.31.03, possibly requires some specific circumstances.

(0008402)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-14 05:32

Building stone walls used to give experience in mason skill. I think my masons had no problem with it in a fortress I played in 0.31.03, possibly requires some specific circumstances.

Nope, I don't think it's ever worked that way.

(0008424)
cognitive (reporter)
2010-06-14 13:24

in 40d i built a large wall with about 10 dwarves and they all had leveled up greatly, will check again later tonight

(0008447)
Cryten (reporter)
2010-06-14 19:59

I built a wall as a way of testing this in 40d13. The wall was aprox 250 tiles wide built with 5 dwarves while two dwarves minded to provide stone. This took 1 and a half seaons to complete. No skillups of any kind where recorded outside of mining and coversational skills. I checked each individuals skills.

Architecture and building of buildings does not contribute to masonry skillups.

(0008448)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-06-14 20:01

@Cryten: Yep, otherwise you would end up with most of your dwarves being masons from just building your megaproject.

(0008449)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-14 20:09

Thanks for testing that, Cryten.

(0011496)
king doom (reporter)
2010-08-04 11:32

If it is intentional, it's a very bad descision. Building a wall isn't just stacking rocks on top of each other, bricklaying is a skill, and with practise you get better at it, and since it's added to masonry, you should get skill increases in that.

(0011820)
Lord Byte (reporter)
2010-08-15 17:28

I agree with king doom. Megaprojects should be rare cases, and not the norm to which you compare the entire game. So balancing it out for that is kind of ridiculous (plus that argument falls flat when miners DO gain skill increases from carving out that megaproject :))

I got one mason to build certain objects while most of my masons are tied up in building constructions. So it's ridiculous that they will never gain any skill in it (Another solution is to make carving rock objects a seperate skill (sculptor or something).

(0035677)
Loci (manager)
2016-07-22 21:16

Building constructions is now an unskilled labor separate from the mason skill.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-06-14 00:06	cognitive	New Issue
2010-06-14 02:18	Cryten	Note Added: 0008398
2010-06-14 05:28	Rafal99	Note Added: 0008401
2010-06-14 05:32	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008402
2010-06-14 05:32	Footkerchief	Tag Attached: Intentional?
2010-06-14 13:24	cognitive	Note Added: 0008424
2010-06-14 19:59	Cryten	Note Added: 0008447
2010-06-14 20:01	smjjames	Note Added: 0008448
2010-06-14 20:08	Footkerchief	Tag Detached: Intentional?
2010-06-14 20:09	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008449
2010-06-14 20:09	Footkerchief	Status	new => resolved
2010-06-14 20:09	Footkerchief	Resolution	open => no change required
2010-06-14 20:09	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2010-08-04 08:21	Footkerchief	Assigned To	Footkerchief =>
2010-08-04 08:21	Footkerchief	Status	resolved => needs feedback
2010-08-04 08:21	Footkerchief	Resolution	no change required => reopened
2010-08-04 08:21	Footkerchief	Status	needs feedback => new
2010-08-04 08:23	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002948
2010-08-04 08:25	Footkerchief	Summary	building walls does not increase mason level => Mason skill not increased by building walls and other constructions
2010-08-04 10:09	dree12	Tag Attached: Holdover from 40d?
2010-08-04 10:09	dree12	Tag Attached: Intentional/Expected?
2010-08-04 11:32	king doom	Note Added: 0011496
2010-08-15 17:28	Lord Byte	Note Added: 0011820
2016-07-22 21:16	Loci	Note Added: 0035677
2016-07-22 21:16	Loci	Status	new => resolved
2016-07-22 21:16	Loci	Resolution	reopened => fixed
2016-07-22 21:16	Loci	Assigned To	=> Loci

Notes
(0008398) Cryten (reporter) 2010-06-14 02:18	I believe mansonry does not cover the bulding of objects, thats Architecture, which dosnt have a skill growth pattern. No change required.

(0008401) Rafal99 (reporter) 2010-06-14 05:28	Architecture covers bulding objects that need an architect (bridges and furnaces for example). Building stone walls used to give experience in mason skill. I think my masons had no problem with it in a fortress I played in 0.31.03, possibly requires some specific circumstances.

(0008402) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-14 05:32	Building stone walls used to give experience in mason skill. I think my masons had no problem with it in a fortress I played in 0.31.03, possibly requires some specific circumstances. Nope, I don't think it's ever worked that way.

(0008424) cognitive (reporter) 2010-06-14 13:24	in 40d i built a large wall with about 10 dwarves and they all had leveled up greatly, will check again later tonight

(0008447) Cryten (reporter) 2010-06-14 19:59	I built a wall as a way of testing this in 40d13. The wall was aprox 250 tiles wide built with 5 dwarves while two dwarves minded to provide stone. This took 1 and a half seaons to complete. No skillups of any kind where recorded outside of mining and coversational skills. I checked each individuals skills. Architecture and building of buildings does not contribute to masonry skillups.

(0008448) smjjames (reporter) 2010-06-14 20:01	@Cryten: Yep, otherwise you would end up with most of your dwarves being masons from just building your megaproject.

(0008449) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-14 20:09	Thanks for testing that, Cryten.

(0011496) king doom (reporter) 2010-08-04 11:32	If it is intentional, it's a very bad descision. Building a wall isn't just stacking rocks on top of each other, bricklaying is a skill, and with practise you get better at it, and since it's added to masonry, you should get skill increases in that.

(0011820) Lord Byte (reporter) 2010-08-15 17:28	I agree with king doom. Megaprojects should be rare cases, and not the norm to which you compare the entire game. So balancing it out for that is kind of ridiculous (plus that argument falls flat when miners DO gain skill increases from carving out that megaproject :)) I got one mason to build certain objects while most of my masons are tied up in building constructions. So it's ridiculous that they will never gain any skill in it (Another solution is to make carving rock objects a seperate skill (sculptor or something).

(0035677) Loci (manager) 2016-07-22 21:16	Building constructions is now an unskilled labor separate from the mason skill.