0007839: Treading water raises Swimming to Legendary without commensurate attribute gain

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(0028297) Bloax (reporter) 2014-08-04 11:39	Swimmer/Wrestler/Fighter: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/statgain.gif [^] + Armor user/various other minor skills (because I stupid and didn't do it manually, but I know from having done it before that it is armor user that does most of the statwork): https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/statgain2.gif [^]

(0028300) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-04 11:59 edited on: 2014-08-04 14:31	I suspect the reason they're a Legendary Wrestler/Fighter is 0000089. I think this report should focus more on specific actions e.g. treading water -- actually moving around in the water might be handled differently. What other actions are affected?

(0028313) Bloax (reporter) 2014-08-04 14:03 edited on: 2014-08-04 14:33	The reason they're a Legendary Wrestler/Fighter is because I raised the skills up to legendary - alongside swimming - and as you may notice their stats aren't particularly higher than average, after having trained three skills from Dabbling to Legendary! (And I did this because this report is about how [most] skills in general give very little attribute raises - if any at all - not just swimming.) And no, it has nothing to do with wandering in low water. https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/Statgain3.gif [^] Here's what happens if you legitimately swim (at varying speeds, even) in Water 7/7 for a really long time. Edit: (After a while of letting the game run at lightspeed) https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/63152810/statgain4.gif [^] Well those certainly are some impressive stats (they're pretty high, alright), but the amount of skill required to get them is hilariously more impressive.

(0028314) Footkerchief (manager) 2014-08-04 14:25 edited on: 2014-08-04 14:31	The reason they're a Legendary Wrestler/Fighter is because I raised the skills up to legendary - alongside swimming - and as you may notice their stats aren't particularly higher than average, after having trained three skills from Dabbling to Legendary! Fighter is trained just by standing near an opponent, and Wrestler can be trained by grabbing someone's arm. Arguably neither of those should raise physical attributes. Like I said earlier, what matters is not the skill per se, but the action -- two given actions may use the same skill, but a different set of attributes. (And I did this because this report is about how [most] skills in general give very little attribute raises - if any at all - not just swimming.) "Most" isn't specific enough. Toady already took a stab at the general problem in 0000803, so we need specific details about what he missed.

(0028322) Bloax (reporter) 2014-08-04 15:05 edited on: 2014-08-04 15:06	Arguably enough grabbing someone's arm should barely raise your wrestling skill. Arguably enough then being generally better at keeping track of combat is a prime candidate for raising your spatial sense. Wrestling (be it joint-locks, joint breaking, pinching or gouging) barely gives any stats at all, and Fighter should definitely give you a reasonable amount of Spatial Sense. I've already covered swimming, which likewise gives very negligible attribute raises. Weapon combat skills seem to be somewhat decent stats (we're talking 200+ combat attributes, which is a pretty decent supplement to something like Armor User), which is good. I can't test the more diverse Fortress Mode skills (since I've never played it), but I suspect that they too may have 'funny' issues.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2014-08-04 11:29	Bloax	New Issue
2014-08-04 11:39	Bloax	Note Added: 0028297
2014-08-04 11:59	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0028300
2014-08-04 11:59	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-08-04 11:59	Footkerchief	Status	new => needs feedback
2014-08-04 11:59	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000089
2014-08-04 12:01	Footkerchief	Summary	[Skills] Attribute gain from (most) skills is surprisingly low => Treading water raises Swimming to Legendary without commensurate attribute gain
2014-08-04 12:05	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0028300	View Revisions
2014-08-04 14:03	Bloax	Note Added: 0028313
2014-08-04 14:03	Bloax	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-08-04 14:03	Bloax	Note Edited: 0028313	View Revisions
2014-08-04 14:25	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0028314
2014-08-04 14:25	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000803
2014-08-04 14:26	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002948
2014-08-04 14:26	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0000803
2014-08-04 14:26	Footkerchief	Status	assigned => needs feedback
2014-08-04 14:31	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0028300	View Revisions
2014-08-04 14:31	Footkerchief	Note Edited: 0028314	View Revisions
2014-08-04 14:33	Bloax	Note Edited: 0028313	View Revisions
2014-08-04 15:05	Bloax	Note Added: 0028322
2014-08-04 15:05	Bloax	Status	needs feedback => assigned
2014-08-04 15:06	Bloax	Note Edited: 0028322	View Revisions
2014-08-04 15:20	Talvieno	Issue Monitored: Talvieno
2014-08-11 06:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0006716