0000093: Flasks/waterskins/goblets made of wrong material (non-magma forges only?)

(0000167)
arcaner (reporter)
2010-04-02 07:29

I seem to recall in the forum thread that the reverse is also true. Metal smithing with gold bars produces iron objects.

(0000276)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-02 13:04

creating steel goblets produces iron goblets, as well.

(0000298)
Asmodeous (reporter)
2010-04-02 14:52

Smithing Platinum goblets also produces iron goblets, as well.

(0000304)
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-02 15:15

Obviously our dwarves have invented true alchemy!

What's lead turn into?

(0000309)
plenum (reporter)
2010-04-02 15:36

Didn't find alchemy in the jobs list. Another bug.

(0000374)
Untelligent (reporter)
2010-04-02 19:37

Alchemy is under Other, I think.

(0000631)
MooUK (reporter)
2010-04-03 12:58

Similar: just asked for silver goblets, received iron.

(0000678)
Draco18s (reporter)
2010-04-03 15:11

Just tried this for myself, Iron Bars -> Iron Goblets, Iron Flasks, and all other crafts.

(0000741)
dibujante (reporter)
2010-04-03 18:48

Creating platinum goblets makes iron goblets :(

(0000835)
RiceMunk (reporter)
2010-04-04 02:40

Possibly related is that if you look at the (z)status screen's stone allocations, a lot of the ores (gold, silver and platinum nuggets included) seem to have a "make sharp blades" property attached to them in addition to smelting foo bars and such. It wasn't like this in the old versions of DF.

(0000886)
Steb (reporter)
2010-04-04 10:33

"make rock sword" can now use a variety of materials as well as obsidian, many of them are native metal ores

(0001679)
Relheun (reporter)
2010-04-06 22:40

I don't know if its related, but I tried forging gold goblets and got sandstone mugs instead; trying to make fine pewter flasks produced siltstone flasks.

(0001934)
Count Dorku (reporter)
2010-04-07 21:45

I have the most expensive alchemy yet.

Adamantine Wafers -> Iron Goblets. (After attempting to make platinum goblets failed miserably, I thought I'd try a different material - and I'd just found the adamantine.)

Oddly, platinum produces platinum crafts just fine, the issue seems to be with goblets.

(0001997)
Shurhaian (reporter)
2010-04-08 05:20
edited on: 2010-04-08 05:21

Could this be related to 0000112 or vice versa? Just by the fact that reaction material products seem to be rather buggered for some specific craft reactions, and what seems to be happening there is all the material options being listed with identical titles. Something like that going on with goblets might help to explain the seemingly semirandom behaviour of that.

(0002454)
snus-mumrik (reporter)
2010-04-09 16:33

Yes, same bug. Copper bars > gold goblets.

(0002875)
Kogan Loloklam (reporter)
2010-04-11 13:59

I attempted to make Platinum flasks. These turned into gold flasks.

(0003087)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-04-12 11:03

Heck of alot of alchemy going on here.....

(0003216)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2010-04-13 00:42

With 0.31.02, I've tasked the creation of gold, silver, and tin goblets, and always got what I asked for. I'm running DF under Wine on Linux, in case that makes a difference.

(0003423)
Shoobs (reporter)
2010-04-14 00:52

I would like to make a note on "make sharp blades".
They can be made from wood now.

(0003585)
kaefermelder (reporter)
2010-04-14 17:49

31.03 still makes iron flasks from nickel bars here

(0003892)
Matsci (reporter)
2010-04-16 13:13

Attempted to make Silver Goblets, Got Gold. Attempted to make Zinc Goblets, Got iron.

(0003956)
Bury (reporter)
2010-04-17 00:55
edited on: 2010-04-17 00:55

I've tried gold, platinum, electrum, silver and always get iron goblets(31.03). Flasks also have this problem but as mentioned above crafts are ok.

(0004293)
teethering (reporter)
2010-04-19 18:58

yep just ordered gold goblets got iron instead.

also, ordered leather flasks and got material-less flasks. no description of what it's made of, just says flask.

(0004362)
Christes (reporter)
2010-04-20 11:41

Yep, attempting to make zinc and lead goblets gives me iron goblets. This is 31.03

(0004952)
lando242 (reporter)
2010-04-24 22:48

Used my only trifle pewter bar to make some goblets for a demand, got 3 iron goblets in return. Shazbot. Running Mayday's version of 31.03 with no other mods installed.

(0005183)
rhsbscipio (reporter)
2010-04-26 14:27

5 metal bar types I have tried resulted in gold goblets. Multiple tries with copper result in the same every time. (Nickel Silver, Lead, Electrum, Copper, and Tin all tried, same result.)

(0005649)
cswvna (reporter)
2010-04-29 03:31

I tried forging silver, lead, copper, brass, zinc, and billon into goblets with charcoal (coke was forbidden) and produced all gold goblets. Then I forbade charcoal and used coke for another set of the same six metals in the same game at the same forge, and produced all iron goblets.

I have not tried this with magma. Can someone verify these results?

(0006417)
Kavalion (reporter)
2010-05-08 10:08

Making Steel Flasks produced Iron Flasks for me.

(0008166)
jfs (reporter)
2010-06-11 17:26

Any chance this is also related to artifacts made of bone turning into iron?

(0008347)
Khym Chanur (reporter)
2010-06-13 16:56

Looks like it's a problem with non-magma forges. With 0.31.06 (native Linux) I had both a magma forge and a regular forge (fueled with coke) in the same game. I ordered gold goblets at each: the magma forge made gold goblets, the regular forge made iron goblets.

(0008737)
madk (reporter)
2010-06-19 16:52

Same issue here.

(0009093)
cephalo (reporter)
2010-06-25 10:32

gold flasks from copper bars here.

(0009529)
slink (reporter)
2010-07-02 10:22

Electrum goblets turned out to be iron. Too bad, because it is a mandate. :( I was using a coke forge. 31.08 SDL.

(0010241)
pontiuspirate (reporter)
2010-07-14 09:44

v0.31.10, no modifications - I have attempted forging goblets out of the following materials, and each resulted in iron: Silver, Platinum, Lead, Nickel, Zinc, Brass, Bronze, Rose Gold, and Iron

(0010242)
smjjames (reporter)
2010-07-14 09:57

You know, since the shell/bone artifacts turning into iron bug ( 0000359 ) is fixed in .11, maybe Toady could check whether this one is fixed. Thats if whatever was causing the bug with the artifacts is the same as the one here.

(0010318)
Toady One (administrator)
2010-07-15 01:09

This should be fixed for 0.31.11. It wasn't the same cause as the artifact/shell bugs, but I found it and cleaned it up. It wasn't clearing the fuel properly, and that randomized the material depending on what mods/OS you are on.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-01 21:46	Lightning4	New Issue
2010-04-02 06:39	Todestool	Tag Attached: workshop
2010-04-02 07:29	arcaner	Note Added: 0000167
2010-04-02 13:04	derigo	Note Added: 0000276
2010-04-02 14:52	Asmodeous	Note Added: 0000298
2010-04-02 15:15	Draco18s	Note Added: 0000304
2010-04-02 15:36	plenum	Note Added: 0000309
2010-04-02 19:37	Untelligent	Note Added: 0000374
2010-04-02 19:41	Dwarfu	Tag Attached: iron
2010-04-03 11:15	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000214
2010-04-03 11:15	Footkerchief	Issue Monitored: CyberGenesis
2010-04-03 12:58	MooUK	Note Added: 0000631
2010-04-03 15:11	Draco18s	Note Added: 0000678
2010-04-03 18:48	dibujante	Note Added: 0000741
2010-04-04 02:40	RiceMunk	Note Added: 0000835
2010-04-04 10:33	Steb	Note Added: 0000886
2010-04-06 22:40	Relheun	Note Added: 0001679
2010-04-07 17:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000754
2010-04-07 21:45	Count Dorku	Note Added: 0001934
2010-04-08 05:20	Shurhaian	Note Added: 0001997
2010-04-08 05:21	Shurhaian	Note Edited: 0001997	View Revisions
2010-04-08 13:22	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000815
2010-04-09 04:19	Khym Chanur	Issue Monitored: Khym Chanur
2010-04-09 10:17	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000221
2010-04-09 16:33	snus-mumrik	Note Added: 0002454
2010-04-09 16:37	Felblood	Issue Monitored: Felblood
2010-04-10 10:56	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000922
2010-04-11 13:59	Kogan Loloklam	Note Added: 0002875
2010-04-12 10:51	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001051
2010-04-12 10:53	Footkerchief	Summary	Create iron flask produces gold flasks => Flasks/waterskins/goblets made of wrong material
2010-04-12 11:03	smjjames	Note Added: 0003087
2010-04-13 00:42	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0003216
2010-04-13 01:13	CyberGenesis	Issue End Monitor: CyberGenesis
2010-04-14 00:52	Shoobs	Note Added: 0003423
2010-04-14 17:49	kaefermelder	Note Added: 0003585
2010-04-16 13:13	Matsci	Note Added: 0003892
2010-04-17 00:55	Bury	Note Added: 0003956
2010-04-17 00:55	Bury	Note Edited: 0003956	View Revisions
2010-04-19 18:58	teethering	Note Added: 0004293
2010-04-19 19:35	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001352
2010-04-20 11:41	Christes	Note Added: 0004362
2010-04-24 22:48	lando242	Note Added: 0004952
2010-04-25 02:12	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001509
2010-04-26 14:27	rhsbscipio	Note Added: 0005183
2010-04-28 14:06	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Jobs, Items
2010-04-29 03:31	cswvna	Note Added: 0005649
2010-04-29 21:13	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0001650
2010-05-08 10:08	Kavalion	Note Added: 0006417
2010-05-13 09:34	Skandraken	Issue Monitored: Skandraken
2010-05-20 20:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0002000
2010-06-11 12:40	Conti	Issue Monitored: Conti
2010-06-11 14:48	Cel	Issue Monitored: Cel
2010-06-11 15:23	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	No => Yes
2010-06-11 17:26	jfs	Note Added: 0008166
2010-06-13 16:56	Khym Chanur	Note Added: 0008347
2010-06-13 17:17	Footkerchief	Summary	Flasks/waterskins/goblets made of wrong material => Flasks/waterskins/goblets made of wrong material (non-magma forges only?)
2010-06-19 13:21	Kanddak	Issue Monitored: Kanddak
2010-06-19 16:52	madk	Note Added: 0008737
2010-06-24 19:15	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002466
2010-06-25 10:32	cephalo	Note Added: 0009093
2010-07-01 17:22	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002537
2010-07-02 10:22	slink	Note Added: 0009529
2010-07-14 09:44	pontiuspirate	Note Added: 0010241
2010-07-14 09:52	JZE	Issue Monitored: JZE
2010-07-14 09:57	smjjames	Note Added: 0010242
2010-07-14 14:50	pontiuspirate	Issue Monitored: pontiuspirate
2010-07-15 01:07	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0000221
2010-07-15 01:09	Toady One	Note Added: 0010318
2010-07-15 01:09	Toady One	Status	new => resolved
2010-07-15 01:09	Toady One	Fixed in Version	=> 0.31.11
2010-07-15 01:09	Toady One	Resolution	open => fixed
2010-07-15 01:09	Toady One	Assigned To	=> Toady One
2010-07-15 04:56	Conti	Issue End Monitor: Conti
2010-07-15 05:57	Footkerchief	Sticky Issue	Yes => No
2010-07-16 05:18	Khym Chanur	Issue End Monitor: Khym Chanur
2010-07-16 12:55	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002719
2010-07-18 22:30	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0002759
2010-07-20 18:16	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002194
2010-07-24 19:40	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0002817
2010-07-25 09:42	Cel	Issue End Monitor: Cel
2012-04-14 19:22	Felblood	Issue End Monitor: Felblood

Notes
(0000167) arcaner (reporter) 2010-04-02 07:29	I seem to recall in the forum thread that the reverse is also true. Metal smithing with gold bars produces iron objects.

(0000276) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-02 13:04	creating steel goblets produces iron goblets, as well.

(0000298) Asmodeous (reporter) 2010-04-02 14:52	Smithing Platinum goblets also produces iron goblets, as well.

(0000304) Draco18s (reporter) 2010-04-02 15:15	Obviously our dwarves have invented true alchemy! What's lead turn into?

(0000309) plenum (reporter) 2010-04-02 15:36	Didn't find alchemy in the jobs list. Another bug.

(0000374) Untelligent (reporter) 2010-04-02 19:37	Alchemy is under Other, I think.

(0000631) MooUK (reporter) 2010-04-03 12:58	Similar: just asked for silver goblets, received iron.

(0000678) Draco18s (reporter) 2010-04-03 15:11	Just tried this for myself, Iron Bars -> Iron Goblets, Iron Flasks, and all other crafts.

(0000741) dibujante (reporter) 2010-04-03 18:48	Creating platinum goblets makes iron goblets :(

(0000835) RiceMunk (reporter) 2010-04-04 02:40	Possibly related is that if you look at the (z)status screen's stone allocations, a lot of the ores (gold, silver and platinum nuggets included) seem to have a "make sharp blades" property attached to them in addition to smelting foo bars and such. It wasn't like this in the old versions of DF.

(0000886) Steb (reporter) 2010-04-04 10:33	"make rock sword" can now use a variety of materials as well as obsidian, many of them are native metal ores

(0001679) Relheun (reporter) 2010-04-06 22:40	I don't know if its related, but I tried forging gold goblets and got sandstone mugs instead; trying to make fine pewter flasks produced siltstone flasks.

(0001934) Count Dorku (reporter) 2010-04-07 21:45	I have the most expensive alchemy yet. Adamantine Wafers -> Iron Goblets. (After attempting to make platinum goblets failed miserably, I thought I'd try a different material - and I'd just found the adamantine.) Oddly, platinum produces platinum crafts just fine, the issue seems to be with goblets.

(0001997) Shurhaian (reporter) 2010-04-08 05:20 edited on: 2010-04-08 05:21	Could this be related to 0000112 or vice versa? Just by the fact that reaction material products seem to be rather buggered for some specific craft reactions, and what seems to be happening there is all the material options being listed with identical titles. Something like that going on with goblets might help to explain the seemingly semirandom behaviour of that.

(0002454) snus-mumrik (reporter) 2010-04-09 16:33	Yes, same bug. Copper bars > gold goblets.

(0002875) Kogan Loloklam (reporter) 2010-04-11 13:59	I attempted to make Platinum flasks. These turned into gold flasks.

(0003087) smjjames (reporter) 2010-04-12 11:03	Heck of alot of alchemy going on here.....

(0003216) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2010-04-13 00:42	With 0.31.02, I've tasked the creation of gold, silver, and tin goblets, and always got what I asked for. I'm running DF under Wine on Linux, in case that makes a difference.

(0003423) Shoobs (reporter) 2010-04-14 00:52	I would like to make a note on "make sharp blades". They can be made from wood now.

(0003585) kaefermelder (reporter) 2010-04-14 17:49	31.03 still makes iron flasks from nickel bars here

(0003892) Matsci (reporter) 2010-04-16 13:13	Attempted to make Silver Goblets, Got Gold. Attempted to make Zinc Goblets, Got iron.

(0003956) Bury (reporter) 2010-04-17 00:55 edited on: 2010-04-17 00:55	I've tried gold, platinum, electrum, silver and always get iron goblets(31.03). Flasks also have this problem but as mentioned above crafts are ok.

(0004293) teethering (reporter) 2010-04-19 18:58	yep just ordered gold goblets got iron instead. also, ordered leather flasks and got material-less flasks. no description of what it's made of, just says flask.

(0004362) Christes (reporter) 2010-04-20 11:41	Yep, attempting to make zinc and lead goblets gives me iron goblets. This is 31.03

(0004952) lando242 (reporter) 2010-04-24 22:48	Used my only trifle pewter bar to make some goblets for a demand, got 3 iron goblets in return. Shazbot. Running Mayday's version of 31.03 with no other mods installed.

(0005183) rhsbscipio (reporter) 2010-04-26 14:27	5 metal bar types I have tried resulted in gold goblets. Multiple tries with copper result in the same every time. (Nickel Silver, Lead, Electrum, Copper, and Tin all tried, same result.)

(0005649) cswvna (reporter) 2010-04-29 03:31	I tried forging silver, lead, copper, brass, zinc, and billon into goblets with charcoal (coke was forbidden) and produced all gold goblets. Then I forbade charcoal and used coke for another set of the same six metals in the same game at the same forge, and produced all iron goblets. I have not tried this with magma. Can someone verify these results?

(0006417) Kavalion (reporter) 2010-05-08 10:08	Making Steel Flasks produced Iron Flasks for me.

(0008166) jfs (reporter) 2010-06-11 17:26	Any chance this is also related to artifacts made of bone turning into iron?

(0008347) Khym Chanur (reporter) 2010-06-13 16:56	Looks like it's a problem with non-magma forges. With 0.31.06 (native Linux) I had both a magma forge and a regular forge (fueled with coke) in the same game. I ordered gold goblets at each: the magma forge made gold goblets, the regular forge made iron goblets.

(0008737) madk (reporter) 2010-06-19 16:52	Same issue here.

(0009093) cephalo (reporter) 2010-06-25 10:32	gold flasks from copper bars here.

(0009529) slink (reporter) 2010-07-02 10:22	Electrum goblets turned out to be iron. Too bad, because it is a mandate. :( I was using a coke forge. 31.08 SDL.

(0010241) pontiuspirate (reporter) 2010-07-14 09:44	v0.31.10, no modifications - I have attempted forging goblets out of the following materials, and each resulted in iron: Silver, Platinum, Lead, Nickel, Zinc, Brass, Bronze, Rose Gold, and Iron

(0010242) smjjames (reporter) 2010-07-14 09:57	You know, since the shell/bone artifacts turning into iron bug ( 0000359 ) is fixed in .11, maybe Toady could check whether this one is fixed. Thats if whatever was causing the bug with the artifacts is the same as the one here.

(0010318) Toady One (administrator) 2010-07-15 01:09	This should be fixed for 0.31.11. It wasn't the same cause as the artifact/shell bugs, but I found it and cleaned it up. It wasn't clearing the fuel properly, and that randomized the material depending on what mods/OS you are on.