0000860: Unable to (s)quad-(k)ill an aggressive-but-tamed named elephant.

(0005083)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-25 22:04

Nothing new. The named tame elephants in 40d also wouldn't be killed by the military. Slaughter any named elephants without mercy and don't tame them. (Unnamed ones are fine).

(0005099)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-26 01:30

There was no squad-kill order in 40d, so this certainly is something new.
Please reread the last paragraph of the report.

(0005101)
derigo (reporter)
2010-04-26 01:53
edited on: 2010-04-26 02:00

No, the military in 40d would not kill the elephant even if they were standing right there when it killed someone. The reason is that the elephant is tagged as a 'tame' creature, its part of the population, and its not berserk. You can't order a squad to kill the elephant any more than you can order it to kill a tame stray dog, or the quadriplegic in the hospital. Its the same thing.

The problem is, and has always been, that the named elephants KILL DWARFS! lol

Everything else is operating as it should be.

I've always thought this bug was hilarious. Animal trainers should have to feed babies to elephants in order to train them, it only makes sense.

(0005102)
levohS (reporter)
2010-04-26 02:00

I have the same problem. He is not butcherable either, because when you set him to butcher he somehow gets loose and starts hitting on the dwarves while still being tame.

(0005117)
DoctorZuber (reporter)
2010-04-26 07:32
edited on: 2010-04-26 07:34

from what I've seen squad kill will not attack (friendly) targets that you do not control.

You can attack your own dwarves.
You cannot attack the traders (even when they're stealing your soap (0000996)).
You cannot attack the diplomat (even if he's a rampaging demon (0000596)).
You cannot attack trained animals (even if it's a rampaging elephant).

now, this is all consistent with 40d. It's just not terribly dwarfy for you to be unable to arbitrarily attack whomever you wish.

(0005185)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-26 14:27

Please, reread the original report!
Most of these comments are missing the point.

Aside from the existing 40d issues:

* my military DOES considers him hostile and, if stationed nearby, WILL chase him around;
* but I cannot order them explicitly to kill him.

This inconsistency is the bug.

(0008091)
Footkerchief (manager)
2010-06-10 17:07

Toady has started asking for saves for military/equipment bugs, so if you have a save demonstrating this problem, it might be helpful to upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/. [^] Thanks!

(0021604)
quatch (reporter)
2012-03-19 12:59

Will this be untestable as a result of the newest patch (34.06)? http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3059 [^]

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-09 01:18	oliver	New Issue
2010-04-25 22:02	derigo	Tag Attached: leftover from 40d
2010-04-25 22:04	derigo	Note Added: 0005083
2010-04-26 01:30	oliver	Note Added: 0005099
2010-04-26 01:53	derigo	Note Added: 0005101
2010-04-26 01:54	derigo	Note Edited: 0005101	View Revisions
2010-04-26 02:00	levohS	Note Added: 0005102
2010-04-26 02:00	derigo	Note Edited: 0005101	View Revisions
2010-04-26 07:32	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0005117
2010-04-26 07:34	DoctorZuber	Note Edited: 0005117	View Revisions
2010-04-26 07:45	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: squad
2010-04-26 07:46	DoctorZuber	Tag Attached: kill
2010-04-26 10:50	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000481
2010-04-26 14:27	oliver	Note Added: 0005185
2010-06-10 17:07	Footkerchief	Note Added: 0008091
2012-03-19 12:59	quatch	Note Added: 0021604
2018-04-16 10:50	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll

Notes
(0005083) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-25 22:04	Nothing new. The named tame elephants in 40d also wouldn't be killed by the military. Slaughter any named elephants without mercy and don't tame them. (Unnamed ones are fine).

(0005099) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-26 01:30	There was no squad-kill order in 40d, so this certainly is something new. Please reread the last paragraph of the report.

(0005101) derigo (reporter) 2010-04-26 01:53 edited on: 2010-04-26 02:00	No, the military in 40d would not kill the elephant even if they were standing right there when it killed someone. The reason is that the elephant is tagged as a 'tame' creature, its part of the population, and its not berserk. You can't order a squad to kill the elephant any more than you can order it to kill a tame stray dog, or the quadriplegic in the hospital. Its the same thing. The problem is, and has always been, that the named elephants KILL DWARFS! lol Everything else is operating as it should be. I've always thought this bug was hilarious. Animal trainers should have to feed babies to elephants in order to train them, it only makes sense.

(0005102) levohS (reporter) 2010-04-26 02:00	I have the same problem. He is not butcherable either, because when you set him to butcher he somehow gets loose and starts hitting on the dwarves while still being tame.

(0005117) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2010-04-26 07:32 edited on: 2010-04-26 07:34	from what I've seen squad kill will not attack (friendly) targets that you do not control. You can attack your own dwarves. You cannot attack the traders (even when they're stealing your soap (0000996)). You cannot attack the diplomat (even if he's a rampaging demon (0000596)). You cannot attack trained animals (even if it's a rampaging elephant). now, this is all consistent with 40d. It's just not terribly dwarfy for you to be unable to arbitrarily attack whomever you wish.

(0005185) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-26 14:27	Please, reread the original report! Most of these comments are missing the point. Aside from the existing 40d issues: * my military DOES considers him hostile and, if stationed nearby, WILL chase him around; * but I cannot order them explicitly to kill him. This inconsistency is the bug.

(0008091) Footkerchief (manager) 2010-06-10 17:07	Toady has started asking for saves for military/equipment bugs, so if you have a save demonstrating this problem, it might be helpful to upload it to http://dffd.wimbli.com/. [^] Thanks!

(0021604) quatch (reporter) 2012-03-19 12:59	Will this be untestable as a result of the newest patch (34.06)? http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt/view.php?id=3059 [^]