0000252: When reclaim Goblins are friendly - Dwarf Fortress Bug Tracker

(0000460)
Nighteyes (reporter)
2010-04-03 02:15

I just had a Goblin thief arrive, he is also friendly

(0000506)
Quietust (reporter)
2010-04-03 07:42

Likely the same behavior seen in 0.28.181.40d.

(0000514)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-03 07:51

Known behaviour from the old version - see http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=50775.0 [^]

(0001651)
oliver (reporter)
2010-04-06 19:29

I had this happen, and they are only somewhat friendly. They'll happily attack and kill the outpost liaison when he arrives..

(0002303)
Jiri Petru (reporter)
2010-04-09 05:04
edited on: 2010-04-09 05:15

Wow! I have this bug, and when I get attacked by goblins, my friendly goblins fight the unfriendly goblins! Amazing! This actually bought me some time to build military :)

EDIT: This then made them fight each other.

(0005015)
The_Law (reporter)
2010-04-25 11:47

I don't know if this is part of this issue, or a separate one. One of the friendly goblins continually triggers the message "Goblin McGoblin has bestowed the name <different random name> on a jaguar leather cloak!" which automatically pauses the game the same way a created artifact does.

(0005017)
Logical2u (manager)
2010-04-25 12:14

That's bug 0000667, "The_Law".

(0009000)
Leperous (reporter)
2010-06-22 23:45
edited on: 2010-06-23 00:22

This is a fun bug - I abandoned and reclaimed because I had 2 dwarves left and no immigrants over several seasons, and then an invincible Forgotten Beast turned up... Whereupon the friendly goblins managed to kill it on reclaim.

They don't seem to attack wild animals though.

I imagine this is fairly simple to recreate and so saves aren't necessary.

(0020202)
Cobbler89 (reporter)
2012-02-19 17:48
edited on: 2012-02-19 18:17

This may or may not have gone away in between, but it consistently happens in the new 0.34.02. It may have to do with reclaim only inasmuch as other civs' units are left when abandoning, and then bug 0005249 causes these to become friendly because they're at your fort when you begin in the reclaim. Or the two may not be related except by coincidence, I don't know. What I do know is this save I have uploaded to DFFD demonstrating it, not merely in end result but allowing you to abandon and reclaim and watch the process if you have sufficient knowledge of DF's inner workings (as, for example, the Toady One does...). http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5618 [^]

(0023213)
mostevil (reporter)
2012-07-11 16:24

what I just noticed here is occasionally a raid comes and they all go hostile (often inside the fort!)
presumably when the invaders are from the same civ or fortress?

(0023911)
PetWolverine (reporter)
2013-03-25 11:27
edited on: 2013-03-25 17:01

I had this happen to a fort yesterday, running 34.11. It's been a couple years of game time and I still have 60-odd friendly goblins, trolls and voracious cave crawlers wandering around. A few have died attacking goblin ambushers. I haven't had a siege yet since reclaiming. They haven't turned hostile so far.

Edit: As soon as a proper siege showed up, the goblins turned hostile. Since they were scattered all over my fort, my careful plan to keep intruders out did not stop them from wiping the floor with my dwarves. I ordered everyone out of the fort to force the goblins to run the trap gauntlet in reverse, but they appear to just wander, directionless, if no enemies are in line of sight. There are still 17 of them there when I re-reclaim.

(0024492)
aztectornado (reporter)
2014-02-03 06:59

This also seems to occur with thieves and snatchers.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2010-04-03 01:37	Nighteyes	New Issue
2010-04-03 02:15	Nighteyes	Note Added: 0000460
2010-04-03 06:51	Another	Tag Attached: reclaim
2010-04-03 07:42	Quietust	Note Added: 0000506
2010-04-03 07:51	Logical2u	Note Added: 0000514
2010-04-05 11:17	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000491
2010-04-06 09:25	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000618
2010-04-06 19:29	oliver	Note Added: 0001651
2010-04-07 10:09	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0000720
2010-04-08 06:19	MSeven	Tag Attached: Fortress Mode
2010-04-08 06:19	MSeven	Tag Attached: goblins
2010-04-09 05:04	Jiri Petru	Note Added: 0002303
2010-04-09 05:15	Jiri Petru	Note Edited: 0002303	View Revisions
2010-04-25 11:47	The_Law	Note Added: 0005015
2010-04-25 12:14	Logical2u	Note Added: 0005017
2010-04-27 14:43	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0001586
2010-04-27 14:44	Footkerchief	Relationship added	parent of 0000842
2010-04-27 14:44	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0000618
2010-04-28 14:02	Footkerchief	Category	General => Dwarf Mode -- Invasions
2010-06-22 23:45	Leperous	Note Added: 0009000
2010-06-23 00:22	Leperous	Note Edited: 0009000	View Revisions
2010-06-23 00:22	Leperous	Note Edited: 0009000	View Revisions
2010-07-04 10:34	Footkerchief	Relationship added	child of 0000863
2010-07-04 10:34	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0000618
2010-07-04 10:35	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0000842
2010-07-04 10:35	Footkerchief	Relationship replaced	related to 0001586
2010-11-03 05:00	Toady One	Relationship replaced	related to 0000863
2012-02-19 17:48	Cobbler89	Note Added: 0020202
2012-02-19 17:48	Cobbler89	Note Edited: 0020202	View Revisions
2012-02-19 17:49	Cobbler89	Note Edited: 0020202	View Revisions
2012-02-19 17:50	Cobbler89	Note Edited: 0020202	View Revisions
2012-02-19 17:50	Cobbler89	Note Edited: 0020202	View Revisions
2012-02-19 18:17	Cobbler89	Note Edited: 0020202	View Revisions
2012-03-28 08:03	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004494
2012-07-11 16:24	mostevil	Note Added: 0023213
2012-07-11 16:25	mostevil	Issue Monitored: mostevil
2013-03-25 11:27	PetWolverine	Note Added: 0023911
2013-03-25 17:01	PetWolverine	Note Edited: 0023911	View Revisions
2013-03-31 07:46	PetWolverine	Issue Monitored: PetWolverine
2014-01-27 20:09	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000618
2014-02-01 10:35	Footkerchief	Assigned To	=> Footkerchief
2014-02-01 10:35	Footkerchief	Status	new => acknowledged
2014-02-03 06:59	aztectornado	Note Added: 0024492
2014-05-28 03:07	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006492
2014-07-25 03:28	mostevil	Issue End Monitor: mostevil
2018-04-03 13:36	Huntthetroll	Issue Monitored: Huntthetroll
2020-02-26 18:44	Loci	Relationship added	related to 0008844

Notes
(0000460) Nighteyes (reporter) 2010-04-03 02:15	I just had a Goblin thief arrive, he is also friendly

(0000506) Quietust (reporter) 2010-04-03 07:42	Likely the same behavior seen in 0.28.181.40d.

(0000514) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-03 07:51	Known behaviour from the old version - see http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=50775.0 [^]

(0001651) oliver (reporter) 2010-04-06 19:29	I had this happen, and they are only somewhat friendly. They'll happily attack and kill the outpost liaison when he arrives..

(0002303) Jiri Petru (reporter) 2010-04-09 05:04 edited on: 2010-04-09 05:15	Wow! I have this bug, and when I get attacked by goblins, my friendly goblins fight the unfriendly goblins! Amazing! This actually bought me some time to build military :) EDIT: This then made them fight each other.

(0005015) The_Law (reporter) 2010-04-25 11:47	I don't know if this is part of this issue, or a separate one. One of the friendly goblins continually triggers the message "Goblin McGoblin has bestowed the name <different random name> on a jaguar leather cloak!" which automatically pauses the game the same way a created artifact does.

(0005017) Logical2u (manager) 2010-04-25 12:14	That's bug 0000667, "The_Law".

(0009000) Leperous (reporter) 2010-06-22 23:45 edited on: 2010-06-23 00:22	This is a fun bug - I abandoned and reclaimed because I had 2 dwarves left and no immigrants over several seasons, and then an invincible Forgotten Beast turned up... Whereupon the friendly goblins managed to kill it on reclaim. They don't seem to attack wild animals though. I imagine this is fairly simple to recreate and so saves aren't necessary.

(0020202) Cobbler89 (reporter) 2012-02-19 17:48 edited on: 2012-02-19 18:17	This may or may not have gone away in between, but it consistently happens in the new 0.34.02. It may have to do with reclaim only inasmuch as other civs' units are left when abandoning, and then bug 0005249 causes these to become friendly because they're at your fort when you begin in the reclaim. Or the two may not be related except by coincidence, I don't know. What I do know is this save I have uploaded to DFFD demonstrating it, not merely in end result but allowing you to abandon and reclaim and watch the process if you have sufficient knowledge of DF's inner workings (as, for example, the Toady One does...). http://dffd.wimbli.com/file.php?id=5618 [^]

(0023213) mostevil (reporter) 2012-07-11 16:24	what I just noticed here is occasionally a raid comes and they all go hostile (often inside the fort!) presumably when the invaders are from the same civ or fortress?

(0023911) PetWolverine (reporter) 2013-03-25 11:27 edited on: 2013-03-25 17:01	I had this happen to a fort yesterday, running 34.11. It's been a couple years of game time and I still have 60-odd friendly goblins, trolls and voracious cave crawlers wandering around. A few have died attacking goblin ambushers. I haven't had a siege yet since reclaiming. They haven't turned hostile so far. Edit: As soon as a proper siege showed up, the goblins turned hostile. Since they were scattered all over my fort, my careful plan to keep intruders out did not stop them from wiping the floor with my dwarves. I ordered everyone out of the fort to force the goblins to run the trap gauntlet in reverse, but they appear to just wander, directionless, if no enemies are in line of sight. There are still 17 of them there when I re-reclaim.

(0024492) aztectornado (reporter) 2014-02-03 06:59	This also seems to occur with thieves and snatchers.