0003958: Some dwarf civilizations have access to steel without access to iron

Notes
(0015186) Malibu Stacey (reporter) 2011-02-17 08:11 edited on: 2011-02-17 08:12	This is due to Civilizations always having access to the alloys listed for them in entity_default.txt but not necessarily access to the metals required for those alloys. They essentially make Steel & all the other alloys out of nothing (see pre-0.31.18 Humans who made Bronze weapons without having any access to Copper & Tin because they lacked the STONE_PREF tag in entity_default.txt). Hence if the civilization aren't deemed to have located any Iron, they won't have any goods made from Iron. I guess in "game flavour" terms you could say that those civilizations are using all their Iron to make Steel either because they've learned how much better Steel is over Iron or they find Iron so rarely that they conserve it to make it all into Steel. Seeing as they have effectively infinite amounts of Steel either explanation works. See 0000812

(0015197) Inglonias (reporter) 2011-02-17 12:10 edited on: 2011-02-17 12:18	I've noticed this too. This is distressing, because being forced to take a steel anvil means 200 fewer points on embark. REPRODUCED: This is a screenshot comparing embark screens from two different civs on the same worldgen. http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s290/joeshmo5000/Proof1.jpg [^]

(0015211) Vercingetorix (reporter) 2011-02-17 14:35	I had a similar situation involving copper; I couldn't bring copper picks or axes, so I had to pay significantly more for those items and use the training axe exploit in order to have more.

(0015876) DoctorZuber (reporter) 2011-03-06 22:22	I had not seen this before 0.31.20/0.31.21 Now I've seen it several times. VERY ANNOYING! Steel Anvils are expensive, And it's completely silly for dwarves to have steel but not iron since steel is MADE FROM IRON!!! Couple this with the finder failing to respect flux (0002440), not to mention (0004005) where civs fail to have any food, and I've now wasted well over an hour simply trying to embark. Sigh... Off to try again.

(0033873) Detros (manager) 2015-12-14 02:43	Can confirm in 0.42.03 (world generated in 0.42.02). Civilization of this fort (http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11469 [^]) has just one other site and offered me only steel anvils, no iron ones. I do not see that as a bad thing though, I took it similarly to Malibu Stacey (0003958:0015186).

(0033923) DeKaFu (reporter) 2015-12-15 08:28	I noticed this incidentally in the same save I submitted for 0009344. No iron, only steel on embark. Didn't think much of it at the time because I never embark with anvils anyway. Should work as another example save though, if needed.

Issue History
Date Modified	Username	Field	Change
2011-02-16 10:19	Khym Chanur	New Issue
2011-02-17 08:11	Malibu Stacey	Note Added: 0015186
2011-02-17 08:12	Malibu Stacey	Note Edited: 0015186	View Revisions
2011-02-17 08:33	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0000812
2011-02-17 12:10	Inglonias	Note Added: 0015197
2011-02-17 12:12	Inglonias	Issue Monitored: Inglonias
2011-02-17 12:17	Inglonias	Note Edited: 0015197	View Revisions
2011-02-17 12:18	Inglonias	Note Edited: 0015197	View Revisions
2011-02-17 14:35	Vercingetorix	Note Added: 0015211
2011-02-18 08:42	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0004005
2011-03-06 22:22	DoctorZuber	Note Added: 0015876
2011-03-06 22:34	Footkerchief	Summary	Some dwarf civilizations have steel but no iron => Some dwarf civilizations allow embark with steel anvils but not iron anvils
2011-03-09 18:54	DoctorZuber	Issue Monitored: DoctorZuber
2011-10-26 10:04	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0004939
2011-10-26 10:09	Knight Otu	Summary	Some dwarf civilizations allow embark with steel anvils but not iron anvils => Some dwarf civilizations have access to steel without access to iron
2012-02-23 19:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	related to 0001127
2012-02-23 19:00	Footkerchief	Relationship deleted	related to 0004005
2012-02-23 19:00	Footkerchief	Relationship added	has duplicate 0005424
2012-07-21 08:30	Logical2u	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006115
2013-06-30 12:05	Knight Otu	Relationship added	has duplicate 0006350
2015-12-14 02:43	Detros	Note Added: 0033873
2015-12-15 08:28	DeKaFu	Note Added: 0033923